Does such an Air/PCP Rifle Exist?

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Does such an Air/PCP Rifle Exist?

Post by in2anity » 22 Jan 2018, 9:38 am

Are there any air rifles that can take standard (lead) rifle pills? Specifically what I'm imagining is a 30cal big bore PCP that can be fed standard 30cal lead (rifle) projectiles? It wouldn't even have to be 30cal; I guess generally what I'm asking is there a PCP that will take (lead) rifle projectiles (i.e. not air-gun specific ones)? All the ones I've seen only shoot (specifically) air rifle projectiles.

Any knowledge would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by eddahenry » 22 Jan 2018, 9:55 am

Air rifle pellets need a soft Skirt , this gets blown out to seal to the rifling when fired , i cant see a lead cast rifle pill doing anything but getting stuck in the barrel to tell the truth.
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Post by in2anity » 22 Jan 2018, 9:58 am

eddahenry wrote:Air rifle pellets need a soft Skirt , this gets blown out to seal to the rifling when fired , i cant see a lead cast rifle pill doing anything but getting stuck in the barrel to tell the truth.

Does the same apply for PCP projectiles? How come many of these don't have skirts?
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Post by eddahenry » 22 Jan 2018, 10:05 am

the ones ive seen still have a skirt ,,, they just look like what we would call luberings in cast rifle bullets , the biggest difference is that the rings on a air pellet are bore sized and the body is undersized where on rifle cast the body is bore sized and the rings are just cut into them to hold lube
so 2 massive differences in surface area engaging the lands .
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Post by in2anity » 22 Jan 2018, 10:37 am

eddahenry wrote:the ones ive seen still have a skirt ,,, they just look like what we would call luberings in cast rifle bullets , the biggest difference is that the rings on a air pellet are bore sized and the body is undersized where on rifle cast the body is bore sized and the rings are just cut into them to hold lube
so 2 massive differences in surface area engaging the lands .


I see, thanks. So basically what you're saying is that it's invalid to compare a rifle projectile against a air rifle projectile?
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Post by eddahenry » 22 Jan 2018, 10:42 am

they are just slightly different in design , if you are looking to Cast your own there is plenty of Air rifle moulds around in the US you could import
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Post by AusTac » 22 Jan 2018, 11:53 am

Ahh air rifles now we're talking!

There are a number of companies ( especially some british ones ) that get into big bore air rifles, 30 cal is actually fairly well accepted over there, but you can go all the way up to .50 if you like, obviously the trajectories are pretty rainbow like with these things, they're all pcp and you get about 10 shots per cylinder charge, have a look at FX seneca, daystate just to name a few, daystate actually make a .303, cool or what?!
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Post by pomemax » 22 Jan 2018, 12:25 pm

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Post by in2anity » 22 Jan 2018, 2:23 pm

AusTac wrote:Ahh air rifles now we're talking!

There are a number of companies ( especially some british ones ) that get into big bore air rifles, 30 cal is actually fairly well accepted over there, but you can go all the way up to .50 if you like, obviously the trajectories are pretty rainbow like with these things, they're all pcp and you get about 10 shots per cylinder charge, have a look at FX seneca, daystate just to name a few, daystate actually make a .303, cool or what?!


Hehe I take it you're a fan! The question is, are there ones that take standard rifle pills? Or are you limited to Air Rifle projectiles?
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Post by AusTac » 22 Jan 2018, 2:38 pm

Haha sure am, i love my weirauch .177, unfortunately your limited to air rifle pellets, nothing you couldn't cast up yourself though with the right mould, air rifle pellets well the best ones anyway are a fairly soft lead with a unique skirt shape to seal the barrel when fired as they expand, id imagine just your run of the mill .303 projie would like get lodged or just drop out
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Post by in2anity » 22 Jan 2018, 6:48 pm

bentaz wrote:I'm sure I saw one advertised that shot handgun projectiles


Crack open that filing cabinet in your head and see if if you can dig out that file!
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Post by sungazer » 22 Jan 2018, 6:51 pm

i dont know the pressures that air rifles produce these days, but think along the lines that "normal projectiles" run under? Then just to give it a bit more Air rifle reality what pressures do reduced load running trail boss produce. Somewhere not to far below this is what pressure would be needed to push it out the end and any distance with force.
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Post by Wombat » 22 Jan 2018, 7:01 pm

bentaz wrote:I'm sure I saw one advertised that shot handgun projectiles

American and .357 I think? I'm sure I remember seeing that somewhere online.
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Post by Strikey » 22 Jan 2018, 7:02 pm

in2anity wrote:Are there any air rifles that can take standard (lead) rifle pills? Specifically what I'm imagining is a 30cal big bore PCP that can be fed standard 30cal lead (rifle) projectiles? It wouldn't even have to be 30cal; I guess generally what I'm asking is there a PCP that will take (lead) rifle projectiles (i.e. not air-gun specific ones)? All the ones I've seen only shoot (specifically) air rifle projectiles.

Any knowledge would be greatly appreciated.
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Our friends in the States have a few specialist air rifle projectile manufacturers for PCP airguns. Generally for 25cal and up for those wanting to shoot longer ranges and large bore airguns such as the Airforce Texan, these bullets are a lot softer than a powder burner bullet which will have a certain amount of antimony to harden them, not really needed at airgun velocities also I think they may run a different barrel with a faster twist than what is used for pellets :thumbsup:
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Post by Strikey » 22 Jan 2018, 7:06 pm

sungazer wrote:i dont know the pressures that air rifles produce these days, but think along the lines that "normal projectiles" run under? Then just to give it a bit more Air rifle reality what pressures do reduced load running trail boss produce. Somewhere not to far below this is what pressure would be needed to push it out the end and any distance with force.


Yeah nah, modern PCP air rifles will never run pressures anywhere near a powderburner even if loaded with Trailboss. Most airguns are running between 200 and 300bar fill pressure :thumbsup:
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Post by sungazer » 22 Jan 2018, 7:15 pm

Thats what I would have thought so if you load a 55gr 22 cal round (and that is pretty light) it must drop like a sinker. I'm only guessing no idea but that what I would have thought.
It would be even harder to keep pressures up as the cal goes up wouldn't it?
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Post by andreweden » 22 Jan 2018, 7:58 pm

http://www.fxairguns.com/rifle/impact/
http://www.fxairguns.com/rifle/impact/
3600 psi fill pressure
.30 pellets are subsonic and weigh 3 or 3.25 grams.
Energies are on the linked page.

Looks like fun!
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Post by Cryptic » 22 Jan 2018, 10:45 pm

Wombat wrote:
bentaz wrote:I'm sure I saw one advertised that shot handgun projectiles

American and .357 I think? I'm sure I remember seeing that somewhere online.


The Benjamin bulldog is 357 https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Bulldog_357_Bullpup_Shrouded/3592
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Post by pomemax » 22 Jan 2018, 10:57 pm

As I said the shop in Camperdown Sydney sells up to 50 cal air rifles and the pellets look like https://www.airgundepot.com/air-venturi ... -50ct.html
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