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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by Oldbloke » 03 Dec 2019, 4:23 pm

Gamerancher wrote:Model 2's are usually quite accurate, here's a sample of what the one I bought for my 12 y/o son is capable of with him shooting it.
Groups shot at a club match, 50m from a home made benchrest and rear bag using Eley club ammo. Rifle is stock standard Model 2 made in 1983 without any modifications, it has a 6.5 - 20X Leupold scope mounted on it.
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Lets face it. Im envious. But it is off the tail gate, not ideal and seemed to improve (more consistant) over about 20 rounds. Im sure a better shooter and decent bench would improve a tad.

Dropped into the LGS today and grabbed 2 bricks of RWS Club.

Will put a few more through her in a couple of weeks and see how she goes.

At the end of the day i only need to shoot bunnies soooo,,, I think it will be ok out to about 75 yards. On paper, at 75 yards looks like the club has just about run out of steam in any case.

I was tempted to sell it and buy a Ruger American but Ive had her a bloody long time. And the grandson has had a few shots through it, so would like to hand it on to him when its time.
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by bigfellascott » 03 Dec 2019, 7:30 pm

She will be fine for hunting bunnies OB, ya only shoot 1 shot groups on them as a rule anyway :D
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by Oldbloke » 03 Dec 2019, 8:18 pm

bigfellascott wrote:She will be fine for hunting bunnies OB, ya only shoot 1 shot groups on them as a rule anyway :D


How silly of me.
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by bigfellascott » 03 Dec 2019, 8:29 pm

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How silly of me.


Yes indeed :D I'm sure you can put one into something the size of an orange at 70m with it and that's all ya need to head shoot em. :thumbsup: People worry about group sizes when it comes to hunting and god only knows why as you really only need to land one inside say a 8cm circle, what you should be doing is getting a piece of cardboard and drawing 8cm circles on it and take 1 shot at each, if you can get 1 in each circle closest to the centre of each circle you really don't need anything else really. :unknown:

Try it - you might just surprise yourself at how well you can shoot at rabbit head sizes consistently. :thumbsup:
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by Oldbloke » 03 Dec 2019, 8:52 pm

bigfellascott wrote:
Yes indeed :D I'm sure you can put one into something the size of an orange at 70m with it and that's all ya need to head shoot em. :thumbsup: People worry about group sizes when it comes to hunting and god only knows why as you really only need to land one inside say a 8cm circle, what you should be doing is getting a piece of cardboard and drawing 8cm circles on it and take 1 shot at each, if you can get 1 in each circle closest to the centre of each circle you really don't need anything else really. :unknown:

Try it - you might just surprise yourself at how well you can shoot at rabbit head sizes consistently. :thumbsup:



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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by Gamerancher » 04 Dec 2019, 4:16 pm

Isn't that just shooting for a group anyway??? :unknown:
I have two here, ( one for the young bloke and the wife has her fathers old one ), have shot about a dozen others and seen dozens of them in action. I'm not really that fond of them, but they do have a habit of shooting quite well.
Test shooting groups proves the accuracy, whether you want to shoot for score on a range or have peace of mind that the shot you take at game will pretty much land where you want it to.
I can't say that yours is typical oldbloke, or, how to make it more accurate aside from finding the right ammo for it. There is a few tricks to get a bit more out of them without spending a bunch of coin. Playing with the action screw tensions can make a fair bit of difference. I removed the one that screws into the barrel below the rear sight on my young blokes rifle, that made a big difference to it. However, the other one shoots better with that screw in place.
Also, have a play with lighter springs on the trigger, they are really basic and easy to swap out. I've seen them set up with the spring out of a biro, makes for a very light trigger.
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by bigfellascott » 04 Dec 2019, 6:25 pm

Nope! Just confirms that you are capable of putting 1 bullet where it needs to be, leave the groups thing to paper pokers I reckon. :thumbsup:
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by Gamerancher » 04 Dec 2019, 6:59 pm

Putting a number of holes in a number of 8cm circles near as you can to the centre is shooting a group, albeit, one shot at a time in one circle at a time.
The result is the same, you are checking if you, the gun and the ammo combined, can be relied upon to hit what you are aiming at. The degree of accuracy required is up to the size of the target and your satisfaction.
I am not a paper-puncher, I've put plenty of "one-hole" groups in fur, many, many, thousands actually.
The shooting at the local range is restricted to paper-punching with .22's and is a great way to get my young fella the trigger time he needs. ( We don't have the rabbit numbers here on the property to make a good shooter out of him. ) Learning to shoot in a controlled environment, where he can see the little things that can affect where a shot lands, goes a long way to making him a better shooter.
The competition shooting that I mainly do is metallic silhouette, where shooting is done off-hand, standing up. You get one shot per target, "minute of animal" is really all the accuracy required from your gear, but trigger control is paramount. Without it, you hit the dirt a lot.
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by bigfellascott » 04 Dec 2019, 7:06 pm

Nope not at all, if it was you wouldn't be trying to get the smallest group like paper punchers want to do, all you are really doing using my method is confirming that you and your rifle are capable of hitting the target - nothing more nothing less.

Groups are all about trying to get the smallest size possible with the number of shots taken at the same target.
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by Oldbloke » 04 Dec 2019, 8:08 pm

So, i admit to being average with a rifle. But that was the best group. As mentioned esrlier happy with the trigger. I figure its capable of a little better using a better shooter.

"I removed the one that screws into the barrel below the rear sight on my young blokes rifle, that made a big difference to it." I find that pretty interesting.

Im yet to try screw tension.
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by Stix » 04 Dec 2019, 9:01 pm

Not wanting to be argumentative...but...i personally dont think hitting an orange at 70m is good enough for bunnys...
Personally id be wanting to hit a golf ball with with every shot at 70m...
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by sungazer » 05 Dec 2019, 7:31 am

Dont worry Stix I agree with you. The actual brain box (who know how small the brain must be) would only be a small portion just below the ears. the rest of it is just nasal cavity, jaw and throat. Your not allowed to shoot birds with a Rifle but I am told that the feathers around the body are very bullet stopping to 22s, so dont body shot anything the size of a crow. A head shot is a must.
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by bigfellascott » 05 Dec 2019, 9:56 am

sungazer wrote:Dont worry Stix I agree with you. The actual brain box (who know how small the brain must be) would only be a small portion just below the ears. the rest of it is just nasal cavity, jaw and throat. Your not allowed to shoot birds with a Rifle but I am told that the feathers around the body are very bullet stopping to 22s, so dont body shot anything the size of a crow. A head shot is a must.


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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by sungazer » 05 Dec 2019, 11:36 am

When I started shooting I was never interested in Punching Paper or going to the range it just didnt interest me. Also things were a lot simpler to go out into the bush perhaps camp a night or two and blast away.

When I joined the rifle club I told them I really didnt want to compete just get a bit more time behind my rifles. Even though I can do it in the backyard it is like exercise and going to the gym. Much more likely to happen if you commit to something.

The amount of help I received from the club was fantastic and I quickly improved a heap and I thought I was a good shooter. Then I go to my first comp and there are a few guys standing behind me I hadn't noticed them then someone from my club tell them I had just joined and it was my first comp. So one of the guys pipes up and said "I wondered why he was one minute shooting a bull and then a 4. Next thing I know he comes over and says hey mate I hope you don't mind but what you are doing is sometimes letting your forward grip touch the barrel keep your fingers off it and your grip consistent.

Since then going to competitions I have been helped by Australia's best shooters and not afraid myself to ask questions they are always happy to help usually to the point of showing you not just a quick answer.

Sorry this is off topic just a little rant to those that may have the same opinions of clubs and competitions as I used to. Go along have a look and a chat you may get a very pleasant surprise. At least I would hope so, not all are the same and just going to a range to do your own thing is nothing like what goes on when you get involved with a club.
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by bigfellascott » 05 Dec 2019, 11:49 am

I like to teach the kids how to shoot bunnies using this method. :D mind you I have set up targets for them to shoot at too and I also like using tiny gongs and spinner targets too, all good methods to get them shooting straight.

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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by Oldbloke » 05 Dec 2019, 12:22 pm

BFS is just making the point, you dont need tiny groups for hunting. Must admitt, i thought 50mm was more sensible size though.
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by Gamerancher » 05 Dec 2019, 2:02 pm

I just checked the title of the post, yep, it was about accuracy of a model 2 Brno. Hitting point of aim consistently is accuracy, doing that, produces a "group" around that point of aim. It don't matter if it's on a piece of paper, a metal gong / spinner, or the head of a rabbit.
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by Wapiti » 07 Dec 2019, 11:48 am

I picked up a near new Mod 2 from the late '50s at the local little gunshop, it came off an old bloke who got too old. Apparently. I'm a big 77/22 fan, so I thought I'd succumb to the hype everywhere about these rifles.
Sure enough, it's a nice piece of kit with old world charm. Compared to the newer CZs, the workmanship is from back when things didn't have machining marks and the newer, single bolt handle locking lug is really cheap.

But I have to admit, it's certainly not a target rifle, it's quite ordinary with any hunting ammo I've tried. Probably 10 of the most popular types, including subsonic HP hunting stuff. I'm not going to try target ammo, because I don't shoot targets. 35mm @ 50m would be it., off a benchrest. Now, in the field, that's going to be much larger because most people don't carry benchrests, or bipods, because grass makes them impractical when walkabout.
That screw up under the front sight, tried taking it out, tight, half tight, whatever, it's just not on par with my other 77's, even the cheaper Ruger American stainless we have outshoots it.

Very rewarding to shoot a gun way older than I am (and in better condition too) but I think now, that people tend to overdo some reputations oft repeated.

There was a good article about the Brno Mod 2 in the last edition of Guns Australia mag, outlining the tolerance issues these so called "best" quality rifles have and the trouble old mate went to, to get one to shoot reasonably.
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by Oldbloke » 07 Dec 2019, 11:56 am

Yep, i had a ****** old Winchester, before the brno, shot heaps better. My daughter has a Marlin, again shoots heaps better, straight out of the box.

Most of the hype about mod 2s is BS IMHO. (Well,,, thats been my limited experience)
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by bigfellascott » 07 Dec 2019, 1:10 pm

I had a Winchester 9422 and it was s**t, shot shotgun patterns, the Brno runs rings around it in the accuracy dept. Best 22 I have for accuracy is the Savage 93 it smokes both of em in the accuracy and trigger dept.

All of them however were more than capable of hitting bunny heads so all go when it comes for hunting purposes. I've only ever removed the brno from the stock once to sand the god awful stain the had on the stock, other than that it's never been stuffed around with other than putting a lighter spring in the trigger (they were heavy from the factory) the spring made it nicer to shoot for hunting purposes, I've shot a couple of 5c piece type groups with the rifle but it's more a 1/2-3/4" in really.

OB I'd just test it out on some bunny heads - I'm sure it will be good enough for that job (they are hunting rifles after all)
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by Oldbloke » 07 Dec 2019, 2:14 pm

bigfellascott wrote:, other than that it's never been stuffed around with other than putting a lighter spring in the trigger (they were heavy from the factory) the spring made it nicer to shoot for hunting purposes, I've shot a couple of 5c piece type groups with the rifle but it's more a 1/2-3/4" in really.

OB I'd just test it out on some bunny heads - I'm sure it will be good enough for that job (they are hunting rifles after all)


Yep, might still look at a lighter spring, but its about 1kg at the moment.
Will tinker with screw tensions too.
Yep, its ok for hunting now. Just bought 2 bricks. They will last till i drop.
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Re: BRNO Mod 2 accuracy

Post by sungazer » 07 Dec 2019, 7:45 pm

I rekon about 1Kg is the right weight. Even in my target rifles when the trigger weight was reduced in the rules, I tried it out lowering it but I didnt like it so went to about 800 grams.
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