Air rifle question

[juststarting]

Morning All

I've been looking at air rifles. AusTac, you are like 40% to blame. I am looking at Crossman 1077 (semi verity). It takes co2 Crosman bulbs...

So few questions:

• Does anyone here own one and do you have any feedback?
• The bulbs seem proprietary, is this the case or can they be replaced with something generic?
• I've been searching and I can't see this specific (Crosman) co2 bulbs for sale anywhere, can anyone point me in the right direction?
• How much do the bulbs cost?

Any other reviews/comments appreciated.

Thanks

[Sawyers]

I was looking at this the other day on pyramid air and they claim it runs on standard 12 gram C02 cartridges. You can buy these at most hardware stores, there relatively inexpensive.

[AusTac]

air rifles have there place!

Just looking at that one it seems a little weak? At 190 metres a second you'll really notice a drop over say like 40 metres, what do you want to do with it?

I assume just go bang bang bang bang at little army men? I can't imagine you becoming a full on 10m target shooter

If i was to get a semi i'd be getting a pcp

[TheDude]

I’ve got one. They are definitely not a serious target air rifle but as a plinker they are ok.

The co2 are just standard 12g ones you can get reasonably cheap online. Shot to shot velocity varies as the co2 runs out. You can get 20-30 shots out of each one before it drops off.

I run mine with an external paintball High pressure air tank with a regulator set at 850 psi which gives a few thousand shots and a lot more velocity consistency. It’s similar to https://m.ebay.com.au/itm/Crosman-Paint ... 1807224681

[juststarting]

Cool, thanks.

@austac, not sure yet. Bunnies be good. At this stage just looking at it, haven't decided on anything. I haven't read about velocity capabilities yet, so there's a bit to go, before I commit.

[rsj223]

I avoided it for my son and I because it starts to lose power as the charge of air decreases.

[Supaduke]

If you want quality, you want a Weihrauch or Diana.

PCP's are very accurate. They are however expensive, loud and not practical for general plinking.

If you want great quality and supreme accuracy in a springer? The only choice is a HW97/77. A little more expensive than a Cometa or Gamo but arguably the best spring powered sluggie you can buy.

I own one, I did my research, it lives up to the hype.

The Crossman semis are fun for 10 minutes but are essentially a toy. The HW97/77 is quality and a proper gun.

P.s. don't get caught up in rated velocity, most of it is marketing B.S.

A HW97 / 77 will do a genuine 950+fps with full weight pellets. I can comfortably shoot a sub inch group at 50m.

And here is some proof , photos or it never happened.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6663

[AusTac]

Cool, thanks.

@austac, not sure yet. Bunnies be good. At this stage just looking at it, haven't decided on anything. I haven't read about velocity capabilities yet, so there's a bit to go, before I commit.

Yeah i use mine for bunnies on some local properties, anything below 1000 f/s or 304 m/s is a go-er over that the pellets start to get unstable

[Wylie27]

I have one.. i wouldnt use it on rabbits.

Be careful which one you get as their are two versions..

There is one thst is about 560fps and one near 700. The box tells you.

I have chrono’d mine and it consistently shot at 695fps and makes decent work of tin cans.

Its a plinker and a lot of fun.

There are a 1000 mods out there for them too

[juststarting]

Hrmm, unwanted something in the semi veriety, not single shot.

Suggestions? Most I've been looking at are freaking expensive, for that money, I'd be buying another 22 or 4 of them!

[juststarting]

Bunnies was just a coincidental use thought. Like, ye, sure,, why not. Also, cans and random s**t. You know my rational, it shoots - I want. Justification will come later. Not after a professional air rifle, just a fun plinker, hence I want a semi. Once the price is near cost of .22 - I stop considering it. Really, the budget is around $200. If it creeps to like 500, that's Ruger American Compact territory, then why the heck would I want an air rifle. Anyway, that's my thinking.

[AusTac]

Because an air rifle isn't as loud as a power gun and i can buy 500 pellets for $22 and as you know it is fun to shoot stuff with them to see what happens

I use my air rifle the most simply because its easier to find places to shoot it, but i'd never discharge it anywhere you weren't supposed to

Not pushing you to get one by the way just saying why i like them

[sungazer]

There is a lot more moving parts and manufacturing that goes into an air rifle so while they dont rate high on the power gun scale I can understand the extra cost factor.

[Sawyers]

Bunnies was just a coincidental use thought. Like, ye, sure,, why not. Also, cans and random s**t. You know my rational, it shoots - I want. Justification will come later. Not after a professional air rifle, just a fun plinker, hence I want a semi. Once the price is near cost of .22 - I stop considering it. Really, the budget is around $200. If it creeps to like 500, that's Ruger American Compact territory, then why the heck would I want an air rifle. Anyway, that's my thinking.

This was my train of thought when I bought a Dianna pather 21, why pay top $$$ for a air rifle. Now a year later im buying another air rifle because I cheaped out originally and it has cost me more money in the long run.

[Bent Arrow]

If you want to kill Bunny's with an air rifle your looking at spending real money I'm afraid.

Im guessing you mean in an semi? My cheap ass springer Gamo drops bunnies every time I take it for a walk around the sheering shed

[Supaduke]

Gamo and Cometa make the best budget end sluggie.

And like was said, an Air Rifle is much more convenient to shoot. Much less space needed and much less noise pollution. Very cheap to feed.

A mate of mine had one. It was kinda fun to shoot for a while. The gas system is really inconsistent and fades off pretty quick as you use the canister. A funny side effect is the rate you actually use slugs up. Could easily chew through a 500 tin in an hour or two. The cost of replacing the gas bulbs got old pretty too.

They are, undeniably, fun to shoot though.

[Gwion]

Can any of these PCP guns be filled off a compressor?
I had a brief look last night and i could buy a Sako for the cost of a decent PCP!!!
What sort of range do they have in 22 or 30cal?
When you say they are noisy, what would you compare it to? A 22lr with subs? Unsilencrd compound bow?

[slickncghia]

Only extremely expensive specialist compressors not your normal tool variety

Also -1 on the 1077. Fun but way down on power for hunting. And the second you pierce a co2 canister you may aswell shoot it all out as it will just leak out otherwise overnight.

They are quiet though but not much more than 22lr 710fps

For cheap shooting I'd get a Springer. For all around use in legal areas 22lr all the way

[Daddybang]

Only extremely expensive specialist compressors not your normal tool variety

Probably a stupid question (I know jack sh@t about these air rifle) but is this due to the connections or the pressures required or something else?

[sungazer]

General tool compressor is 100 psi the Air rifle compressor is 800 psi+

[Daddybang]

Thanks sungazer!

[Gamerancher]

The high end PCP's run at 200Bar, ( that's around 3000psi ) I don't think you'll find a compressor at Bunnings that'll do that.
A scuba tank is usually used for filling the cylinder on the rifle although there are hand-pumps available that will get you there. ( you won't need to visit the gym afterwards ) The scuba tank has to be "in test" and you get them filled at dive shops.
Most pre-charge guns will shoot 40-50 shots between fills and the better quality ones have an air delivery system that provides an exact amount of air every time , that, combined with high quality barrels and the best triggers that can be found is what makes them extremely accurate. Expect to pay 3-4 grand for one of these though.
The amount of noise they generate is as varied as the number of guns available. I've shot beside PCP's that you needed hearing protection for and others, ( like my own Feinwerkbau P70 ), are very quiet. My rifle was the 20j model and would take out pest birds at 100m, so noise does not always equate to power.

[Strikey]

Can any of these PCP guns be filled off a compressor?
I had a brief look last night and i could buy a Sako for the cost of a decent PCP!!!
What sort of range do they have in 22 or 30cal?
When you say they are noisy, what would you compare it to? A 22lr with subs? Unsilencrd compound bow?

Yes, PCP rifles can be filled off a normal compressor but only if you have a booster downline such as the Shoebox compressor which will bring the pressure up to 300bar if needed but a cheaper option is the Chinese made air rifle specific compressor now available for around the $5-600 mark, as for noise, before I detuned my 22cal air rifle it was possibly noisier than a rimfire and you definitely know when my 25cal has gone off but I can live with it as this rifle consistently shoots 3/4moa groups at 100yds and gets 80 odd shots before falling off the regulator