Bruiser64 wrote:In WA the police have a table of minimum property sizes for each calibre when submitting a property letter when applying for a licence. For the 17 hmr 100 acres is the recommended size with 50 acres being the bare minimum. .
ponkychonk wrote:Bruiser64 wrote:In WA the police have a table of minimum property sizes for each calibre when submitting a property letter when applying for a licence. For the 17 hmr 100 acres is the recommended size with 50 acres being the bare minimum. .
Where did you get this info from?
Bruiser64 wrote:20 acres is a small property. This article from Sporting Shooter May be of some use. http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/gun-l ... hooting-on . In WA the police have a table of minimum property sizes for each calibre when submitting a property letter when applying for a licence. For the 17 hmr 100 acres is the recommended size with 50 acres being the bare minimum. The main issues with a property of that size would be containing the shot on the property and not getting complaints from the neighbours. If the property is undulating and/or heavily wooded, it may be perfectly safe to shoot a hmr. A quick call to the local police station may be prudent before proceeding.
Die Judicii wrote:I've read all of the above, and see no mention of the "real" suitability in your case of using the .17 HMR
I am of the understanding that this particular round was first developed at the request of the american military.
Because a lot of fresh intakes had no or little experience with firearms, they needed to address this and the ensuing safety issues.
Some of their primary requisites were as follow,
1) A small lightweight round.
2) A round that was highly frangible that would disintergrate upon impact of minimal objects such as branches etc.
3) Accurate
So really the .17 HMR is probably even more suitable on smaller holdings than the common .22 lr or .22 short.
Especially so if there is shrubbery, light tree coverage etc.
It still pays to take notice of what has been said by other members as regard to backdrop, markers, etc etc.
Common sense goes a long way.
TassieTiger wrote:Forgive my ignorance here - the .17hmr is apparently pushing somewhere around 2500fps vs a .22lr of around 1200fps standard or 1050fps for subs - how is the HMR less likely to ricochet than the slower and heavier .22 round?
duncan61 wrote:Even silenced the HMR will make noise as the bullet is doing Mach 2 when it leaves the barrel
duncan61 wrote:Winchester Z at 770fps is not going any where.The bunny I shot at 72 metres in the head the bullet did not even exit.I find rabbits drop dead very easy.I have shot at long range with a shotgun and found them dead without a mark on them.Even silenced the HMR will make noise as the bullet is doing Mach 2 when it leaves the barrel
marksman wrote:Die Judicii wrote:I've read all of the above, and see no mention of the "real" suitability in your case of using the .17 HMR
I am of the understanding that this particular round was first developed at the request of the american military.
Because a lot of fresh intakes had no or little experience with firearms, they needed to address this and the ensuing safety issues.
Some of their primary requisites were as follow,
1) A small lightweight round.
2) A round that was highly frangible that would disintergrate upon impact of minimal objects such as branches etc.
3) Accurate
So really the .17 HMR is probably even more suitable on smaller holdings than the common .22 lr or .22 short.
Especially so if there is shrubbery, light tree coverage etc.
It still pays to take notice of what has been said by other members as regard to backdrop, markers, etc etc.
Common sense goes a long way.
well said Die Judici
they are very frangible and on 20 acres if they were used with common sence would be safer to use than a 22 rimfire that is not
a safer option would be a pair of ferrets and maybe a 12 gauge used sensibly but there is no limit to the size of land you can shoot on in vic as long as it is not a populous place and you are 200 meters from the nearest house ect
it would be best to get the property owner to have a talk with the neighbours so they know what is going on
Stix wrote:But i need to ask...what use is a silencer on a 17HMR...??
For 'silencing" to be effective, the bullet must be traveling at or below the speed of sound so as to force the gasses & sound wave into the baffles to slow & muffle it & prevent them from escaping to the atmosphere before the bullet ...also, a silencer has no ability (to the best of my knowledge) to remove the sonic boom through the atmosphere created from an object traveling faster than the speed of sound, so a silencer on a 17hmr will scare just as many bunnies off as not using one...
I dont understand why you wouldnt just mention to Tassie its a rimfire round & downloading is not a viable option, rather than wait & insinuate everyone else is stupid... ...but then youve made it very clear you think others here, such as myself are fukwits, so i guess that answers my question.
Believe it or not, im not trying to create waves & add to my unpopularity...just saying...
No1_49er wrote:Stix wrote:But i need to ask...what use is a silencer on a 17HMR...??
For 'silencing" to be effective, the bullet must be traveling at or below the speed of sound so as to force the gasses & sound wave into the baffles to slow & muffle it & prevent them from escaping to the atmosphere before the bullet ...also, a silencer has no ability (to the best of my knowledge) to remove the sonic boom through the atmosphere created from an object traveling faster than the speed of sound, so a silencer on a 17hmr will scare just as many bunnies off as not using one...
I dont understand why you wouldnt just mention to Tassie its a rimfire round & downloading is not a viable option, rather than wait & insinuate everyone else is stupid... ...but then youve made it very clear you think others here, such as myself are fukwits, so i guess that answers my question.
Believe it or not, im not trying to create waves & add to my unpopularity...just saying...
Right o' Stix before you get too carried away, and unless or until you have used a sound moderator of any sort, do not ever try and convince anybody that said moderator has no effect on a firearm discharging a supersonic projectile.
I have, on many occasions, been fortunate enough to shoot competitively in a jurisdiction that permits the use of moderators; in fact, you would probably be classed as a social pariah if you didn't use one. It is a revelation, and a pleasure, to shoot alongside so many other folk on the firing line when they are using moderators on their 222, 223 6mmPPC, 308, 6BR etc, etc.
When you too have had that experience, tell us again that a moderator makes no difference to the sound emanating from a supersonic projectile.
But please note that I have not said that there is no sound; simply that it is moderated. If you want a silencer, go to the movies.
duncan61 wrote:great explanation.I found with the neck shot ducks I used to do with HMR the jacket and lead fragments were often still in the duck.I fillet the breast out anyhoo.Never plucked a duck out in my life.
Stix wrote:Because a lot of fresh intakes had no or little experience with firearms,
This is what I said Stix ol mate, with no reference to their ability (after) their training.
I dont think the american military are sending out inexperienced shooters to bowl these bunnies over...
While i agree with the points of frangibility of the projectile in the HMR,(that point and ferrets ( ) were the first 2 things that came to my mind given i grew up stuffing ferrets down warrens to shotgun bunnies, & i prefer to use 22-250 than 222/223 for spotlighting due to lessened risk of ricochet's & i tell farmers this) there is other factors to take into account.
Like for example...on a small block, after one shot from a HMR, you can pack up & come back a few hours later for your second shot as this will scare most others off...
...i can only think of one occasion where ive heard the "tink" on the iron
[color=#BF8000][color=#0040FF]I guess that's all it would take (one time) cos you can't pull it back up the spout. [/color][/color]
But i need to ask...what use iis a silencer on a 17HMR...??
It's a well known fact as No1 49er already pointed out, that they DO work in varying degrees on such calibers.
And to add weight to said statement/s I have a catalogue (albeit sent by accident) to myself direct from Remington, that is intended for the Australian Military and Australian Police Forces only, and definately not the general public.
In this catalogue are detailed descriptions and photos of weapons etc that you haven't even dreamed of, including silencers/suppressors for many Hi Powered rifles of many calibers far in excess of a .17 HMR
While im here...whats with assuming everyone else other than you & Bills Shed are stupid for apparently 'not' picking up on thew fact its a rimfire when Tassie mentioned loading it down...?
I didnt hear you pipe up...
And i thought Blade made it pretty clear anyway...his explanation of pulling apart rimfire rounds was self explanatory i thought.
There is a vast difference between suggesting "being asleep" as in, not picking up a minor point,,,, to saying any-one is as you say,,,,, "stupid"
I never said that, and certainly did not intend what I did say to be comprehended as such.
I think you have been overly loose and liberal in your comprehension as such.
I dont understand why you wouldnt just mention to Tassie its a rimfire round & downloading is not a viable option, rather than wait & insinuate everyone else is stupid... ...but then youve made it very clear you think others here, such as myself are fukwits, so i guess that answers my question.
REALLY OL MATE ???????????
On that last outburst of yours I think you need to go outside and blow your nose to try and dislodge some of the sh!t that is obviously lodged up there.
I'll grant you the benefit of doubt that you are not a woman in need of changing a "pad"
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Sawyers wrote:In my experience with Z or quits (i shoot them alot) I find they a prone to ricochet more so than any other 22lr ammo and a inconsistent in there groupings. Noise whis there perfect for plinking on small blocks with a decnt sized back drop
Stix wrote:Like for example...on a small block, after one shot from a HMR, you can pack up & come back a few hours later for your second shot as this will scare most others off...
Stix wrote:But i need to ask...what use iis a silencer on a 17HMR...??
For 'silencing" to be effective, the bullet must be traveling at or below the speed of sound so as to force the gasses & sound wave into the baffles to slow & muffle it & prevent them from escaping to the atmosphere before the bullet ...also, a silencer has no ability (to the best of my knowledge) to remove the sonic boom through the atmosphere created from an object travelling faster than the speed of sound, so a silencer on a 17hmr will scare just as many bunnies off as not using one...
Stix wrote:Fair enuf DJ...lol
I havnt been hiding from knowing what was coming...just been away without electronic devices.
And i did plenty of blowing stuff out of pipes.