22LR vs 17MHR

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22LR vs 17MHR

Post by xDom » 12 Mar 2019, 1:28 pm

I've got a 22LR and a .223. Problem is that the .223 is a Varmint style ( too heavy to lug around ). I was thinking about getting a 17 HMR to drop some foxes. What I'm wondering is, is there much difference between high velocity 22 LR rounds eg CCI Stingers and 17 HMR rounds?
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Post by geekwithguns » 12 Mar 2019, 1:55 pm

"The .17 HMR is a specialist of varmint and predator pursuits, and it dominates in ballistic performance by sending a 17- to 20-grain tipped bullet in excess of 2,500 fps. The cartridge is exceedingly effective, but more expensive than the .22."

- https://www.mossberg.com/which-cartridge-is-better/

Stingers around 1,500 fps

- https://www.cci-ammunition.com/products ... oadNo=0050
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Post by deye243 » 12 Mar 2019, 2:34 pm

Yeah and good luck getting stinger to group out of anything if you do your lucky .
I had a 17hmr for 4 years (anschutz 1517 dhb) and never had a problem dropping Fox's not even at 170 yards .
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Post by Rod_outbak » 12 Mar 2019, 3:19 pm

xDom,

I bought a .17HRM (CZ455 Stainless Synthetic) late last year.

I already had a number of single-shot .22LR rifles, but wanted something with longer legs than a .22LR, but not into the realms of a .223.

The .17HMR gives me about twice the distance I'd shoot with the .22LR, or maybe a bit more.

The effects of wind are more noticeable, but then the projectile is half the weight of most .22LR rounds, and travelling about twice as fast (at muzzle anyway)
For how bitey the round is, it's pretty quiet.
A few people told me that accuracy gets affected if the barrel isnt cleaned regularly (more-so than a .22LR), and I'd probably agree.

From what I've seen, I'd be comfortable shooting a fox out to around 150 metres with the .17HMR.

I've been mostly using the 17Gn Vmax CCI loads, and found they work really well in the CZ. I did try the CCI 17Gn HP pills, and found they werent as tight grouping as the Vmax's. I'd tried the HP's as I read they were better to penetrate, but I still cant better the performance of the Vmax pills in this rifle.
I do also have a box of those A22 rounds to trial, but no idea how they shoot, yet.

I've not used a .22 Mag to say for certain how the .17 HMR compares, but there's been no regret for how this little cartridge has been performing. I bought the CZ 455 because I can swap the barrel between .22LR and .22WMR if I choose, but I only bought the .17HMR barrel to start with. From how hard it seems to be to source a stainless barrel in .22LR, I'm thinking that was just a pipe-dream, and maybe I'll have a reason to just get a CZ 457 in .22LR...

One thought for you; For me, I found the standard trigger was a bit heavy in my CZ.
If I was shooting a .22LR, I'm not sure if I'd have lightened it.
But I tightened my groups by upgrading the trigger; especially out around the 100 metres mark.

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Post by xDom » 12 Mar 2019, 3:36 pm

That’s the exact rifle Im looking at , CZ 455 synthetic stainless.
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Post by Rod_outbak » 12 Mar 2019, 4:41 pm

I've purchased the following to improve my trigger:

Initially, I bought the Lowey Trigger shim & spring kit from Hinterland Shooting Supplies, which removed the freeplay in the trigger.

I later bought the following from Delta Tactical:
DIP Inc. CZ 455 Adjustable Sear (19000)
DIP Inc. CZ Extended Magazine Catch - 452, 453, 455 (19054)
DIP Inc. CZ 452/455 Trigger Spring Kit (19040)

I didnt end up using the DIP trigger spring kit (yet), as the Lowey one works fine for me. The more important setup was the adjustable sear, which was an absolute bugger to install - you'll understand why they supply a second little steel ball!
Worth it once the rifle is back together, though...

If you havent yet bought it, consider the Stainless Hunter CZ 457. It seems to have the few (minor) niggles of the 455 fixed. Adjustable trigger, 2-piece floorplate, and a 60 degree bolt throw, and a number of other improvements. However, it doesnt look like they are planning to release the 457 in a Stainless/Synthetic model; seems like the 455 is still being sold in that config. Weird..

You'll also need to buy a cleaning rod to suit .17HMR; a rod for a .22 wont fit.
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Post by xDom » 12 Mar 2019, 5:53 pm

I just checked out the 457 online, what's the pros and cons of the different length barrels? Thanks.
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Post by Bruiser64 » 12 Mar 2019, 6:34 pm

I have a 22lr, a 22 magnum and a 17 hmr. The magnum and the hmr will both outperform the CCI Stingers. I have shot foxes with the magnum and the hmr. Neither are my first choice as a fox rifle. I much prefer my 204 for foxing. Having said that, I think the magnum and the hmr are good calibres for rabbits and foxes at close range (around 70 metres)The hmr is a flat shooting round. I would definitely choose it over the 22lr with Stingers.
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Post by SCJ429 » 12 Mar 2019, 7:13 pm

Why is your 223 too heavy to lug around?
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 12 Mar 2019, 8:40 pm

.17 WSM :thumbsup:
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Post by Bruiser64 » 12 Mar 2019, 10:02 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:.17 WSM :thumbsup:


Certainly better energy than the HMR or Magnum. Rifle choices are a bit limited though. From what I have read, the WSM would be a more effective foxing calibre than either the magnum or Hmr. If It was me, and I was set on a rimfire for foxing, this would be my choice. My HMR was purchased with mainly rabbits with the occasional fox or feral cat in mind. I love the HMR as a bunny gun. However, if the op wanted to consider a centrefire, then a 22 hornet or a 204 would be good options IF he was going to reload. Otherwise the WSM would be a good decision.
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Post by bladeracer » 13 Mar 2019, 4:24 am

xDom wrote:I've got a 22LR and a .223. Problem is that the .223 is a Varmint style ( too heavy to lug around ). I was thinking about getting a 17 HMR to drop some foxes. What I'm wondering is, is there much difference between high velocity 22 LR rounds eg CCI Stingers and 17 HMR rounds?
Thanks


I would consider the .17HMR to be significantly more potent than .22LR, although it is far more expensive to shoot as well. The biggest advantage of the HMR is the jacketed bullets are far more accurate than cast soft lead. Hyper-velocity .22LR I've found is generally lacking in accuracy, especially at longer ranges, thus reducing their practical range to no further than accurate subsonic ammo anyway.
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Post by bigfellascott » 13 Mar 2019, 9:26 am

SCJ429 wrote:Why is your 223 too heavy to lug around?


Varmint Barrel apparently. I used to hall my Howa HB all over the joint as a young fella but these days I need em light to do the same :D Doable but more pleasant carrying a lighter rifle any distance I find now.

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Post by YoungBuck » 13 Mar 2019, 12:41 pm

Don't know about others, but I cannot get stinger rounds to group better than 3" out of my Savage. The gun really doesn't like em.
I think .17hmr is meant to be quite the accurate round?
It'll shoot the fleas off a dog's back at five hundred yards, Tannen, and it's pointed straight at your head!
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Post by TassieTiger » 13 Mar 2019, 2:33 pm

I have no issues shooting .22 round all day long with out ear protection.
How does the .17 hmr compare in noise?
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Post by TassieTiger » 13 Mar 2019, 2:34 pm

I have no issues shooting .22 round all day long with out ear protection.
How does the .17 hmr compare in noise?
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Post by SCJ429 » 13 Mar 2019, 7:45 pm

bigfellascott wrote:
SCJ429 wrote:Why is your 223 too heavy to lug around?


Varmint Barrel apparently. I used to hall my Howa HB all over the joint as a young fella but these days I need em light to do the same :D Doable but more pleasant carrying a lighter rifle any distance I find now.

Fark I'm getting old! :silent:


I am no spring chicken but the heaviest thing I lug around when I am hunting is my webbing. If I need to save some weight I take some gear out of it. I carry a Varmint around with a bipod attached and don't find it too taxing. It is no M60 with a belt of ammo hanging off it.
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Post by bigfellascott » 13 Mar 2019, 9:57 pm

SCJ429 wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:
SCJ429 wrote:Why is your 223 too heavy to lug around?


Varmint Barrel apparently. I used to hall my Howa HB all over the joint as a young fella but these days I need em light to do the same :D Doable but more pleasant carrying a lighter rifle any distance I find now.

Fark I'm getting old! :silent:


I am no spring chicken but the heaviest thing I lug around when I am hunting is my webbing. If I need to save some weight I take some gear out of it. I carry a Varmint around with a bipod attached and don't find it too taxing. It is no M60 with a belt of ammo hanging off it.


Yeah used to do the same thing mate, I just find the whole thing more comfortable to do these days with a lighter rifle that can be shot off hand easier if needed, thank christ they aren't anything like the ol M60 - I always seemed to get stuck humping that bastard around, certainly don't miss it! :lol:
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