22LR vs 17MHR

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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by Miniaction » 14 Mar 2019, 9:28 pm

Have you tried the CCI coppers?
https://www.rebelgunworks.com.au/produc ... oint-100pk

They seem to run well through my ruger precision. but I’ve not used them on anything living
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by Cooper » 15 Mar 2019, 7:34 am

Miniaction wrote:Have you tried the CCI coppers?
https://www.rebelgunworks.com.au/produc ... oint-100pk

They seem to run well through my ruger precision. but I’ve not used them on anything living


Interesting. I tried them in my cz452 and probably cz455. Can't really remember. But they are s**t. Not just talking about the accuracy. Which was no good in my CZ. But zero expansion and the weren't cheap I think $18 per 50. I'd rather buy 17 HMR ammo. I can buy the 20gr Winchester JHP stuff for the 17 HMR for that price.

If I can find the Copper 22lr I have left I'll try them in my Ruger presicion to see what the accuracy is like. I would not reconmmend them as a hunting bullet at all.
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by bladeracer » 15 Mar 2019, 10:45 am

Miniaction wrote:Have you tried the CCI coppers?
https://www.rebelgunworks.com.au/produc ... oint-100pk

They seem to run well through my ruger precision. but I’ve not used them on anything living


Copper-22 don't shoot great for me in anything. They're decently accurate to about 60m then fall apart totally, opening to about 600mm at 100m. The only reason I'd consider them would be if I needed something lead-free, otherwise CCI Std Vel is a much better option.
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by bladeracer » 15 Mar 2019, 10:47 am

Cooper wrote:Interesting. I tried them in my cz452 and probably cz455. Can't really remember. But they are s**t. Not just talking about the accuracy. Which was no good in my CZ. But zero expansion and the weren't cheap I think $18 per 50. I'd rather buy 17 HMR ammo. I can buy the 20gr Winchester JHP stuff for the 17 HMR for that price.

If I can find the Copper 22lr I have left I'll try them in my Ruger presicion to see what the accuracy is like. I would not reconmmend them as a hunting bullet at all.


Agreed, I've recovered most of the Copper-22's I've fired and they offer zero deformation at all in any medium. I haven't tried them on flesh, I would expect them to hit pretty hard even without deforming, but you're restricted to shorter ranges than conventional ammo so I don't see any advantage to them at all.
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by deye243 » 15 Mar 2019, 5:01 pm

The 17 20g jhp ain't much better little to no expansion past 50y but good on pigs up in QLD I see....
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by Chappo » 15 Mar 2019, 9:51 pm

Dunno if it helps but when I was weighing up a caliber between 22lr and 223 last year after a heap of reading I ended up going with a 22 hornet. Love it to bits, it’s a great little cartridge that filled a gap for me.
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Post by Bruiser64 » 16 Mar 2019, 12:38 am

Chappo wrote:Dunno if it helps but when I was weighing up a caliber between 22lr and 223 last year after a heap of reading I ended up going with a 22 hornet. Love it to bits, it’s a great little cartridge that filled a gap for me.


I am a fan of the Hornet as well. I regret to this day selling my Brno hornet. It is an accurate round that is going to hit a lot harder than a hmr or magnum. It is cheap and easy to reload. As the OP lives in Victoria he would have no trouble getting one. In fact, buy both the Hmr and the Hornet. Let your hair down. You know it makes sense.
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by xDom » 16 Mar 2019, 1:53 am

I'm open to all suggestions! Of the 22 WMR, 17 HMR/WSM and the 22 Hornet could it be said that any of them is less noisy than the other? I wear ear muffs, it's more of a consideration to surrounding residences in the areas I go hunting.
Would these rifles be closer to the 22LR noise levels as opposed to the 223 end?
If one was noticeably quieter that would certainly weigh into the decision.
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Post by Chappo » 16 Mar 2019, 7:05 am

xDom wrote:I'm open to all suggestions! Of the 22 WMR, 17 HMR/WSM and the 22 Hornet could it be said that any of them is less noisy than the other? I wear ear muffs, it's more of a consideration to surrounding residences in the areas I go hunting.
Would these rifles be closer to the 22LR noise levels as opposed to the 223 end?
If one was noticeably quieter that would certainly weigh into the decision.


Noise was a consideration for me too. I bought mine for foxes I have around my house that I could never get closer than 200yds from.
I have neighbours close enough to hear me shooting at 6am so I didn’t want to use something too noisy.

It has a 24in barrel and I would say the noise is similar to a 22lr high velocity but a bit louder, (bit more of a crack)

I also chose it because the 22 hornet will have greater knockdown power over the 17 for negligible noise level. It’ll shoot through the wind and grass better
And is reloadable (not that I reload).
If I did reload I probably would’ve made up some tame 223 loads, then again like bruiser64 implied, it’s more fun to just buy more guns!!! :drinks:
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by bladeracer » 16 Mar 2019, 8:59 am

xDom wrote:I'm open to all suggestions! Of the 22 WMR, 17 HMR/WSM and the 22 Hornet could it be said that any of them is less noisy than the other? I wear ear muffs, it's more of a consideration to surrounding residences in the areas I go hunting.
Would these rifles be closer to the 22LR noise levels as opposed to the 223 end?
If one was noticeably quieter that would certainly weigh into the decision.


WMR would be the quieter of the three, but you could load the Hornet down to subsonic levels if you wanted to.
I would put the WMR as closer to .22LR than .223, the Hornet midway between the two, and HMR has quite a crack to it. WMR I can shoot comfortably without hearing protection, Hornet and HMR not so much.

.22LR kept below 1100fps would easily be the quietest of all of them, quieter than some air rifles even.
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by Bruiser64 » 17 Mar 2019, 10:33 am

xDom wrote:I'm open to all suggestions! Of the 22 WMR, 17 HMR/WSM and the 22 Hornet could it be said that any of them is less noisy than the other? I wear ear muffs, it's more of a consideration to surrounding residences in the areas I go hunting.
Would these rifles be closer to the 22LR noise levels as opposed to the 223 end?
If one was noticeably quieter that would certainly weigh into the decision.


According to this YouTube video there is no discernible difference in noise level between the 22 magnum an the 17 hmr.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y3kz_u_OBK0

They aren’t using a calibrated noise meter but it should be sufficient to make a comparison as the same device measured both calibres.

https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/.22_Hornet

The link above gives information about the hornet. The link below is a discussion about the hornet vs the magnum at rimfire central. Basically the hornet will be a bit louder than the hmr and magnum. I doubt there is a huge amount in it. The energy level of the hornet is about double that of the magnum or the HMR according to Frank Barnes book “cartridges Of The World”.

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/s ... p?t=405171

As previously mentioned I have owned a 22 hornet and currently own the 22lr, 22 magnum and 17 Hmr. The 22lr is noticeably quieter than the hmr, magnum and hornet. If you are looking to shoot foxes and won’t be reloading l would recommend the magnum with a 40 grain pill or the 17wsm. This is purely based on the high cost of factory hornet ammo. But if you will reloading get the hornet. The 17 wsm will be louder than the magnum and hmr as it has more powder and velocity.
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by xDom » 17 Mar 2019, 5:14 pm

:thumbsup: Good stuff Bruiser
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by Austwave » 17 Mar 2019, 7:56 pm

I'm watching this with interest as was looking at the CZ 455 in stainless to , I was tempted to get the 3 barreled option in blued for $950 cause cant decide between the 17 or the 22lr.
I have a new Tikka TX3 lite in 223 on the way so probably just get the 22 as a plinker
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by duncan61 » 17 Mar 2019, 8:18 pm

My only field experience was I did some plumbing work for an Italian farmer and he gave me permission to shoot on 500 acres at the end of my street.All the rabbits were around the sheds and farm house that he rented to a young woman.When she was out we could go a bit but if her car was there I avoided the house completely.The first time my buddy came with me he bought his Hornet so we walked to the dam in the middle of the block and he shot a duck and I just looked at him and went forget it way too loud.The local store sold bushman .22LR for $3.50 I think they did 1290 fps and made a bit of a crack but if I was behind the shed or the wind was howling I am not sure anyone heard it also the local range ran parallel to the hwy and they did fullbore regular so that was a good Saturday afternoon to go hunting wabbits.I discovered Winchester Z ammo and never looked back and got quite adept at lobbing them into rabbits at all different ranges out to about 75 yards.I took a young guy about 15 once then he took pissy bob with a .22 Magnum and the girl complained and that was the end of that little party.I had a Ruger lever rifle in HMR and it was not quiet
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by Chappo » 17 Mar 2019, 8:32 pm

Bruiser64 wrote:If you are looking to shoot foxes and won’t be reloading l would recommend the magnum with a 40 grain pill or the 17wsm. This is purely based on the high cost of factory hornet ammo. But if you will reloading get the hornet. The 17 wsm will be louder than the magnum and hmr as it has more powder and velocity.


I have never really agreed with the cost of ammo being the top deciding factor in purchasing a firearm.
Maybe it’s because I don’t do as much shooting as some of you guys and that’s fair enough and I understand if shooting is your job but i find it strange that recreational shooters will make their decision based purely on ammo cost and then fork out $2k on a rifle, scope, bipod, sling etc then later buy aftermarket mags, bolt knobs, recoil pads for it, then put it in a Boyd’s stock and spend hours tinkering with it then put it in the back of the safe and only shoot it occasionally cause you’ve bought something new.!!
I rekon if the rifle suits you and you like it then buy it.
Not trying to be argumentative bruiser. It’s just that I’ve heard about ammo cost heaps on this site and thought I’d share my opinion....... :drinks:
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by Chappo » 17 Mar 2019, 8:36 pm

I’m not immune to this thinking though. I’ll pay $25,000 for a fishing boat and then consider the cheap lures over the expensive ones... :thumbsup:
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by duncan61 » 17 Mar 2019, 10:52 pm

I paid $1 for the canned ricecream instead of $2 for the brand name with the rip top and spent $52.99 on beer
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Re: 22LR vs 17MHR

Post by deye243 » 17 Mar 2019, 11:29 pm

Chappo wrote:I’m not immune to this thinking though. I’ll pay $25,000 for a fishing boat and then consider the cheap lures over the expensive ones... :thumbsup:

Me too ...... but it ain't my fault that a $3 hard body catches more bream that a $25 eco gear .
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