Hunting the "new" property

[on_one_wheel]

Well done!....

I like the idea of live bait, it's a smart move that I've never seen used on dogs.
It could well be the safest ewe on the property while your using it.

Check this story out about an old dog trapper.
Its worth a read, there's some really good tricks hidden in this article
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2013-08- ... er/4917640

[Member-Deleted]

Good read on one wheel pretty much sums the dog up as I see it $500 a dog and $100 dollars a pup wish I could get that for mine I get $0 the council dropped the bounty years ago that's why we've got a problem with dogs here good on him he's doing a good job good office to

[Die Judicii]

Yeah, Thanks "On One Wheel", much appreciated.

[Die Judicii]

How did the night 'scope go and is it the add on type?
Good luck...

Thanks RJ
The Thermal was definitely a move in the right direction,,,,,,,, but takes a little while to learn how to fly it.

Couple of big downers is that when your sitting and waiting,, and trying not to make big movements,, you have to reach a long way down the barrel to be able to turn it on or off, but in saying that this is alleviated by using the remote control.
The other downer is that the batteries only last for 4 hrs,, are expensive,, and not stocked by many stores.
The last lot, I bought online.
The book says not to use rechargeable ones.

An external power supply battery pack is available but costs $220

[Oldbloke]

I'm gonna come in here and say I doubt DJ is doing it for simply watching the sheep suffer long story behind him doing so like he posted earlier that 200 or so sheep have been lost on this farm in a few months so each to their own but if you have seen a dog pack kill then you would know the fear that is put into animals whole mobs at once and the cruelty involved I doubt that one sheep in a cage would be in so much stress that it would be affected too much then there's the point of one stressed sheep to save hundreds from that fear or worse, hard decisions have to be made when chasing killers smart enough to evade people and sometime those decisions go against even the hunters grain but to save animals from a cruel packs then these decisions have to be made and I completely understand some not agreeing with them but it's done to preserve other animals not for fun and time is of the essence with dogs the other options are poisons and you should see a dog die from eating poison that's cruel to but it has to be done unfortunately. shooting is mostly instant but dogs can't be controlled with shooting alone so other methods are used namely what ever get the killers people don't do this lightly they do it to protect the other animals and their livelihood and future

Although I'm not keen on the practice I do agree.

In The Wrath of Khan (1982), Spock says, “Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” Captain Kirk answers, “Or the one.”

[Oldbloke]

G'day oldbloke sorry mate I missed your post up top here yeah mate ask away anytime I can only tell you what I've learnt and what works for me and proven because i'm still seeing things I've never seen before with dogs myself but I get my share I suppose I don't trap very often but do when I get a dog that has been shot at and chased by others and not caught they get too cagey so I lay a couple of traps normally works

As I know SFA, I thought it better if you could simply list a few tricks and tips to hunt/shoot dogs. Specific to dogs rather than general hunting.

P. S. Since you're the resident dog expert I thought it better if you lead the discussion.

[Member-Deleted]

Well OB that video that OOW put up pretty much is enough to start a conversation I had never heard of that man but it doesn't take much reading to wake up to the fact he knows what he's doing and does it well by the looks and it looks like he has the passion that I have to hunt the wild dog I grew up with the death and cruelty they impose on the animals and the feeding on live animals that he explains dead baits become of no use as does poison baits if the dog isn't hungry they'll only eat live animals as they need it

[marksman]

I'm learning quite a bit finding this discussion interesting

[Blr243]

Stix. I did a quick check on the decoy purchase and turns out inc postage it was 30 US dollars. Maybe I got lucky on the day

[Stix]

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Slim pickings last night,,,,,,, the ONLY thing that bothers coming to a dead bait carcass on this property is foxes and crows.
The FERAL DOGS didn't put in an appearance at all last night, not even a howl, but they will come back.

Why on earth would they bother with dead carrion when they have got over a thousand live sheep in the same paddock.
Given the fact that the ferals have pups running with them, how will they learn to hunt and kill, on a dead carcass,,,,,,, that can't run.

So putting a ewe in a crate that actually protects it from the ferals will create less stress on it, than the rest of the flocks get that are open to physical attack and being chased, mauled, and eaten whilst still alive.
At least I am there ready and waiting, and any feral dog that comes near the crate will be shot well before creating stress to the ewe.

Or are you advocating that the owner should start farming and breeding "dead" carcasses so they don't suffer any stress ?

Really DJ...Really...?
Honestly...what a fukn stupid thing to say...just plain fukn stupid...!!!

I wasnt trying to be at you...just stating my thoughts is all...& seriously if you are that utterly stupid to not figure what i was advocating in my post after me having spelled it out, then you shouldnt have a gun pall....and you say i cant read....!!

I was all set to sit here & discuss the matter after seeing the comments posted by people & quoted on this page...then i went back a page & found this...
But im gathering that last comment is just your insecurities in attack mode now you feel you have backing...

Ive deleted what ive typed below this...i think its best...

And lets be clear...you're last pi5s-ant comment reflects nothing about me mate...and youre in your 60's...?...im embarrassed for you...!

Seriously, you should sleep on your side..sleeping on your back.i think that prickle has punctured a bit too deep...!!

[duncan61]

Too personal Stix.I am blocking you again

[wrenchman]

when we shoot yotes they will move out of the area for a while do your wild dogs do the same thing

[Member-Deleted]

That depends whether there's food there for them or how dry it is and how hard you work them, dogs are always on the move they have their areas covering large areas and they tend to move continuously until they find easy pickings then they'll slow down on their movements a concentrate on the food present if they are shot at they tend to stick around but they get edgy and harder to get trapping and poison are best for very timid dogs but can be shot using knowhow and patience dogs are creatures of habbit but are smart enough to change habbit like the flick of a switch to coincide with the happenings around them I've watched some shooting coyote video's and I think they are similar to dogs but dogs are more cagey and secretive than coyotes but without knowing anything about coyotes it's hard to really give a better opinion

[RoginaJack]

When the surrounding properties bait, the smart dogs more away for awhile. The young ones may hang around and get a bait.
Even when there's little pressure the dogs usually will disappear for a while - could be a few days, weeks or even months before returning.
This depends on many factors, Terrain, food, water, shelter & pressure from other dogs etc but also, the resident pack will patrol their territory, checking for intruders etc The size of the packs territory also depends on the above factors as well as the seasons.
A pack could just be using your patch as a travelling route to better pastures etc and only show up occasionally.
So, it's a hard slog, just keep checking with the neighbors to see if any sightings and patience.

[Die Judicii]

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Well I had an extremely interesting,, educational,, successful,, and frustrating night last night,,,,,, all wrapped up in the one night.

To start with, an hour after setting up, I did a sweep look through the scope, and off to my far left there were two young feral dogs.

They were right out at the extreme limit of taking a sure shot.
Normally that wouldn't frustrate me, as I would just wait till they came in closer, or whistle em in. (Except nothing on this property responds to whistles or the Scotch Predator.)
The REAL frustrating bit was that out approx 800 meters behind the dogs was the owners house.
Cursing,,,,, I sat and watched them for twenty minutes, and they eventually disappeared into the distance.

Then, at just on 1 am a large mob of pigs came into view, heading toward the flat below me.
I watched them for nearly an hour as they slowly but surely got closer and closer.
I could actually hear them snorting and grunting as they fed.

As an experiment, I tried the Scotch Predator caller,,, and they took absolutely zero interest

At one stage I observed some of them just simply laying down and having a rest.

But then I saw what was obviously a young boar mount a large sow.
To my absolute amazement, I just watched,,,, (did anyone know that a boar can hump for 1/2 an hour ??? ,,,,,, I didn't)

After 1/2 an hour I thought I might put an end to their amorous activity,,,,, so I shot the sow from under him.
This time only one shot was necessary because I had a perfect view of her ear canal.

Prior to all this happening I had only seen the two young feral dogs,,, and still no howling, or any other sightings.
So I thought I would make the sow the end of my night.

Edited to say,,, I counted 39 adult pigs in the mob.

I think I need to get a Cat D licence.

[Member-Deleted]

Yeah good one looks like she's full of pups to, if you seen dog pups the bitches would not be far seems like they're testing the air at the moment you don't have to hear dogs for them to be there either DJ its when they're quiet they're at their best and is that rain or dew dampening the ground ?

[Die Judicii]

Yeah good one looks like she's full of pups to, if you seen dog pups the bitches would not be far seems like they're testing the air at the moment you don't have to hear dogs for them to be there either DJ its when they're quiet they're at their best and is that rain or dew dampening the ground ?

Yeah Mate,,,,,,,, I think that's what it was,,,, but it's been so long,,, I've forgotten what it's like.

It was that fine that I could hardly feel it,, but I actually got a bit wet.

The young dawgs looked to me as if they were certainly weaned. But like you said, I kept looking for Mum, but was a no show (at least in the thermal)

[RoginaJack]

Die Judicii, With the pups around, try calling like a pup or a pup having a whine, yelp, etc. The pups often won't respond to a dog calling - could wind up getting a flogging etc. On occasions, the Bitch will come to see what's happening to the pup if its whinging...

[Die Judicii]

Die Judicii, With the pups around, try calling like a pup or a pup having a whine, yelp, etc. The pups often won't respond to a dog calling - could wind up getting a flogging etc. On occasions, the Bitch will come to see what's happening to the pup if its whinging...

Thanks Mate, I'm open to all sensible hints and suggestions, and that sounds sensible to me.
The Scotch Predator can be made to sound pretty whingey, but had no effect so far.
Maybe,,,,, if I just whinge and whine myself ?,,,,

[RoginaJack]

Mate, worth a try! I've felt like that on several occasions and actually had a feral cat answer back!

[Die Judicii]

:lol: Mate, worth a try! I've felt like that on several occasions and actually had a feral cat answer back!

Classic Mate,,,,,,
The big question is, did it have any useful information, that was purrfect ??

[Die Judicii]

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I saw the same two young feral dogs again last night,, and still wasn't able to clobber em.
They were making their way up a ridge opposite to where I was set up, and were only visible for brief glimpses in between trees.
The good thing is they aren't running, so sooner or later they'll "stroll" past me in a more open area one night soon.

I heard pigs again (fighting) but were a long way off, and certainly didn't see the mob.

I saw this poor little fellah just as the sun was starting to glow, and put him out of his misery.

[Member-Deleted]

Good one DJ patience mate getting that first dog will be a better feeling than ever

[RoginaJack]

Can you change your position to get closer, so it's more to your advantage and are the pups heading to/from water, a kill or den?
Are they travelling on a cattle pad/path etc.

But watch the wind when you approach and to take up position.

[Die Judicii]

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previous comment reminded me,,, This is the very first feral I ever Shot.

[Die Judicii]

Can you change your position to get closer, so it's more to your advantage and are the pups heading to/from water, a kill or den?
Are they travelling on a cattle pad/path etc.

But watch the wind when you approach and to take up position.

Not really Mate,, the only thing consistent is that they are seem to be consistently inconsistent.
They don't seem to follow any particular trail, and you just never know where you'll see em next or what time.
There are numerous water points for them as well.

Unlike old foxes,,, you can almost set your clock to em and just wait the next night or afternoon.
Some of those have rigid schedules and hardly ever vary.

[Member-Deleted]

Well done DJ judging by its teeth I presume its about 11/2 to 2yr old one less though how was the heart when you saw it go down

[Die Judicii]

Well done DJ judging by its teeth I presume its about 11/2 to 2yr old one less though how was the heart when you saw it go down

Due to the circumstances at the time, the ol ticker never had a chance to react.
At the time I was sitting under cover, waiting to get some bunnies for dog tucker, when a little wallaby came racing out from the tree line, and following close behind was the dog.
Soon as it hit the cleared area it propped and sat.
Seeing as it was directly in front, and the rifle was already pointed, it was just a matter of a gentle squeeze, and it was on its way to doggie heaven.

Had a very unremarkable night last night,, dead calm, dead quiet, and zero activity.
Not even any roos in sight.

Packed up 1/2 hour after sunrise, and headed for home.
B@gger me,,,, just on 100 meters before getting back onto bitumin, a large gingery brown feral dog trotted across the track in front of me.
It had a massive boof head on it too.

[Member-Deleted]

Yeah DJ we get them like that up here too all types xbred from domestic dogs from the areas and yeah it always happens that way when you're least expecting it they'll pop up that's a major trait of a dog frustrating at the least

[duncan61]

I have only ever shot 1 wild dog,I was 10 km or more east of the Homestead at Wooramel culling roos and there was a large clearing and this ugly as dog trotted out It had a spotted smooth white front half like a fox terrier and the back half was like a husky with a furry brown tail.I watched it for a while as I did not know what to do about it.In the end I decided to shoot it as it was unlikely to be a pet.I told the station owner and I had done the right thing We had sheep and goats on this property as well as cattle and I was involved in the baiting program latter on.Got lots of cats near the river.Now they have a full time dogger