17hmr v 22wmr

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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by bigpete » 03 Aug 2019, 2:12 am

And I'm quite happy to shoot foxes with it out to 150m. I just don't expect a bang flop. Mind you,I've seen foxes run after being hit with a 308,so........
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by Bill » 03 Aug 2019, 7:18 am

Vicko some pretty graphs but the latest 17gr hmr ammo does 2700fps so it carries alot more energy and is alot flatter than the 22 mag. Foxes aren't bullet proof and you don't need the hold over needed by the 22mag at moderate ranges
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by Bill » 03 Aug 2019, 7:19 am

Ask a gun shop how much of each ammo they sell too, there's ya answer lol

A few of the 22 Magnum boyz need to get better reading glass cause the CCI A17 clocks 500fps more speed than than the best 22 Magnum ammo :wtf:

and is within 10% of it energy at the muzzle. :shock:

http://www.varminter.com/new-cci-a17-17 ... nd-review/

https://www.americanhunter.org/articles ... ing-loads/

https://www.americanhunter.org/articles ... ing-loads/

and quality 17hmr is around 15% cheaper than quality 22 magnum ammo when you buy bulk 500 packs with CCI 17gr VNT being the best value and also the flatest :drinks:
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by Vicko » 03 Aug 2019, 1:16 pm

So... Update.

The Ruger 77-17 had already been sold by the time I got there.

'Bugger!'

But I'm kinda happy it wasn't.
Because I then walked around to the 'new' rack to see if they had any 457s in stock yet...
And they did. An American in HMR.. For the same price roughly that the scoped second hand Ruger 77. Felt really nice to the shoulder and well balanced. Very nice build quality and walnut stock. Action was nice even for a tight new rifle. Has the option of a switch barrel if someone decides to produce a decent WMR round at some point. So that kinda sealed it for me. I figure its a 'be what you want it to be' rimfire.

So I made a purchase :)

I pick it up next weekend. Getting my spare Nikko Stirling 4-9x scope on it through the week.
Going to try a few different rounds through it and see what it prefers so I nabbed a 50 box each of:
Hornady 17gr VMax (2550fps) that seems to be the go to here at the moment according to the LGS,
Hornady 20gr XTP hollow points (2375fps) and
CCI 17 gr VNT (that I think are basically identical to the Vmax other than plastic tip colour but we'll see - they do claim to be 2650fps so maybe just different powder).

Can't wait to pick it up and put a few rounds through!

Thanks for all the replies everyone. Will be sure to post up some results after I've thrown a hundred or so rounds through.
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by Bill » 03 Aug 2019, 4:09 pm

Good stuff vicko, make sure you get a dedicated 1 piece 17 cal cleaning rod. multipiece thingos are no good for your chamber or rifling
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by Vicko » 03 Aug 2019, 4:21 pm

Done ;)
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by bigrich » 03 Aug 2019, 4:30 pm

Congratulations on the new purchase mate , hope you get lots of use and enjoyment out of it :thumbsup:
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by Bruiser64 » 04 Aug 2019, 10:58 pm

Congratulations. I love the HMR as a round and I think you will enjoy it.
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by Stix » 04 Aug 2019, 11:40 pm

I shot a Tikka T1x in 17hmr for the first time at a rabbit last night...

The shot went off just before i had the reticle on the bunny...

I said "f*** me that triggers' light..."

Owner said ..."yea just like i told you..."

I said..." no you didnt...!!..."

Owner said..."yea i did...just then..!!...
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Anyway...i liked it...!!

Id like to have one...& id like to have the spare money to shoot one willy nilly...but i dont, so at (im told) 50c/shot... :shock: ...ill stick with a 22lr/204 paddock combo...&/or one day get a hornet & load for it.

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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by Vicko » 05 Aug 2019, 8:38 pm

Oh. I'm picking up a WMR barrel with it ;)
Thought I would, while they're available and be done with it. So now I have both!
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by Bruiser64 » 05 Aug 2019, 9:41 pm

You would have been mad not to.
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by duncan61 » 05 Aug 2019, 11:45 pm

So you now have a Ruger American in .22MAG and .17HMR good for you
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by bladeracer » 06 Aug 2019, 12:24 am

duncan61 wrote:So you now have a Ruger American in .22MAG and .17HMR good for you


Not Ruger American, CZ American. Ruger Americans have pressed-in barrels that are rather difficult to remove and are certainly not swappable. The Ruger Precision Rimfire though does have easy barrel swappability.
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by duncan61 » 06 Aug 2019, 12:32 am

O.K. I will google that.I did wonder about the barrel switch
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by bladeracer » 06 Aug 2019, 7:06 am

duncan61 wrote:O.K. I will google that.I did wonder about the barrel switch


Thè Ruger 10/22 (the real one, not my air rifle) has a very easý barrel replacement, the barrel simply slides into the receiver, then a block fits iñto a slot in the underside and is locked against the receiver with two screws. Thè RPR uses a different method similar to the AR platform using a threaded nut around the barrel.
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by Elmer » 06 Aug 2019, 1:27 pm

Vicko wrote:Oh. I'm picking up a WMR barrel with it ;)
Thought I would, while they're available and be done with it. So now I have both!

Cant argue with your logic.
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Post by Vicko » 11 Aug 2019, 2:06 pm

So I picked up the 457 yesterday and ran it through its paces. I'm a happy camper. Took a few pics here before, but the build is terrific, feed and action is perfect.

Sighted it in, in what was quite gusty conditions (probably 30-40km/hr winds) and straight off the bat at around 100 yards its grouping at around half to 3/4 an inch vertically (that'll be the rifle) and around an inch horizontally (that'll be me wobbling about and the wind). Only had a chance to try one round through it in between rain showers - the 17gn Hornady Vmax. Seemed to like them well enough, so with the weather closing in we headed back inside for a cuppa.

So we went back out later with the light for a look, and nailed our first fox with it at around the 100 yard mark. Hopefully the one that took some chickens last week... One shot from front 3/4 as it was working a plantation looking for rats I'd imagine. I picked him up about 3 yards from where I shot him. Saw a bunch more foxes but couldn't get a shot at any of them last night. Next time.

So its currently sitting at 100% success rate :bthumb:
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by Vicko » 14 Sep 2019, 6:57 pm

Bit of an update here. Took it to the range for a play last weekend to try some more ammo out and generally check out long range stuff. (Had a shot of a club members 308 out to 500 too which was ace). Even though there was a hefty side wind I figured out that it very much prefers the 17 grn rounds. Not so much the hollow point 20 grn ones..

So I thought I might have another go at home today and glad I did as I'd messed up re-centreing the scope.. was about 6 inches out! Moron. Anyway. As you can see from the pics the first 5 shot group was off the page, but measured 17mm (17/29mm=.58MOA at 100m - by my maths - remember thats metres not yards). Thats with CCI 17grn VNTs. Seems to like them...

I then shot the middle with the same CCIs - I obviously cocked up with one flyer - the rest of the group was similar to the first, adjusted down an MOA, shot the left group with Hornady 20 grn (thats twice now its thrown them around - it did at the range too and worth noting that they're about an MOA lower at 100 than the 17 grn rounds), and then the right group with Hornady 17grn VMax. On the last group I experimented mid group moving my cheek forward and back a bit on the stock to see if it makes any difference.. it obviously did... You can see I repositioned twice. I might have to work on that and find a way to keep my cheek in one spot for consistency.

So anyway, I'm more than happy with that. Its only had probably 60 rounds through it so far, but its an impressive little jigger and should only get better with some more rounds through it.

Also worth mentioning that on the board I was using behind my target (a 30mm MDF sheet) that the hollow points punched a tighter hole. The plastic tipped 17grn slugs fairly tore it up on exit by comparison. Those suckers must expand fairly dramatically.

I'm now looking for a bigger brother for it that can do a bit of long range stuff. Think I've settled on an LA102 in 308.
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by duncan61 » 14 Sep 2019, 9:49 pm

When I was first shown the HMR round in 2006 I had to have a rifle to suit and I studied the Ruger catalogue and selected the Ruger Model 96.It cost $700 and I was very pleased with it .To the point I found the 20 grain hollow point to be unsuitable for hunting as the bullet tends to pencil through.I used this rifle to good effect on close Kangaroo head shots when noise was an issue and the .17 nylon tips did a lot off damage and I never had one get up.I only ever used the one box of 20 gn.When I was at Mt Augustus the owner coveted it and I sold it for $500 as all he had was a .22 LR with a broken stock and open sights.I let him use it culling Reds and he was smitten.They are a very versatile round.I doubt I will get one again as the ammo cost is out there but hope you have a heap of fun with yours.I will go out on a limb and claim it will be more accurate than the Magnum
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Re: 17hmr v 22wmr

Post by marksman » 14 Sep 2019, 10:26 pm

looks like someone's a happy camper :drinks:
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