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Re: WA roo shooting

Post by duncan61 » 06 Nov 2019, 10:05 pm

The same crew that set snares and beat roos to death were caught in a pine forest shooting and were busted for it.I was a bit older and when relating the story they kept telling me how they would take off but the cops kept finding them.The driver had his foot on the brake and the lights were giving them away.It was a little timber town they were all sort of related and this behavior was just another day for them.I would not loose to much sleep over hunting ethics.Just take care of your own business
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Post by duncan61 » 06 Nov 2019, 10:34 pm

If I was that in to it pete I would call Macro meats and get there standard.They do human consumption and I can guarantee they would not receive body shot carcass.You would be told to F off real quick
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Re: WA roo shooting

Post by Faedy » 06 Nov 2019, 10:34 pm

^^^ - had to be Collie or Manjimup....
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Post by Bruiser64 » 06 Nov 2019, 10:38 pm

Whether you are shooting Roos as a licensed professional or culling them for pest control only, you must abide by the Code Of Practise. This DPAW publication states it explicitly.

https://www.dpaw.wa.gov.au/images/docum ... o_plan.pdf

The purpose of the code is so to ensure Governments and industry can demonstrate to the community that roo culling or harvestING for commercial purposes is done in a humane and sustainable manner. So whether any of us like it or not, the usual generally accepted best hunting practise of aiming for the heart lung area doesn’t apply. Big Pete’s interlocutor is just plain wrong. Whilst it is perfectly legal to shoot Roos in those WA local government areas that have a declared open season, i5 still has to be done in accordance with the code.
1. Minimum calibre .204 with a 40 grain pill
2. Maximum range of 200 metres
3. Headshots only.
4 No does with joeys at foot or if you reasonably suspect there is a Joey in the pouch.

For those who are interested here is the link to the non commercial purpose code of practice

https://www.environment.gov.au/system/f ... ercial.pdf
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Re: WA roo shooting

Post by Bruiser64 » 06 Nov 2019, 11:00 pm

bigpete wrote:So...what it basically boils down is that there is NO written legislation at all that actually contradicts the national code of conduct. Which is actually a code you can be prosecuted by if you're not doing the right thing by it and get caught. My understanding of it anyway.


Yes. The codes must be complied with. The only time a heart shot is permissible is to euthanise an injured roo (or wallaby where the jurisdiction permits shooting them). The codes are very explicit that if a safe head shot is doubtful, then it MUST NOT be taken.
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Post by flutch » 06 Nov 2019, 11:00 pm

Faedy wrote:^^^ - had to be Collie or Manjimup....



we in WA can thank the inbred hillbillies and drug f***ed morons of collie and allison and bunbury and surrounds for us not getting public lands shooting access here in WA. My old cheese was chairperson for a committee asked to evaluate and vote on findings and submissions from stakeholders and despite her voting in favour of offering hunting licenses and setting up a game management wing of the government for WA the majority in multiple committees and eventually government all turned it down thanks to the vandalism and ecological damage caused by both these in-breeders and the bros from across the tasman and their penchant for dogging on land not their own and spreading feral pigs to areas that were previously unaffected. as well as damaging, stealing and causing untold damage to public and private assets as well as further ecological damage and vandalism. so cheers to the meat heads from nz and thanks a bunch to the meth capital of WA for the morons and dipshits that we all now have to be penalised for.
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Re: WA roo shooting

Post by Bruiser64 » 06 Nov 2019, 11:33 pm

flutch wrote:
Faedy wrote:^^^ - had to be Collie or Manjimup....



we in WA can thank the inbred hillbillies and drug f***ed morons of collie and allison and bunbury and surrounds for us not getting public lands shooting access here in WA. My old cheese was chairperson for a committee asked to evaluate and vote on findings and submissions from stakeholders and despite her voting in favour of offering hunting licenses and setting up a game management wing of the government for WA the majority in multiple committees and eventually government all turned it down thanks to the vandalism and ecological damage caused by both these in-breeders and the bros from across the tasman and their penchant for dogging on land not their own and spreading feral pigs to areas that were previously unaffected. as well as damaging, stealing and causing untold damage to public and private assets as well as further ecological damage and vandalism. so cheers to the meat heads from nz and thanks a bunch to the meth capital of WA for the morons and dipshits that we all now have to be penalised for.


You need to remember Faedy that if she ain’t good enough for her own kin, then she ain’t good enough for a Collie good ole boy. Or something like that. By all accounts. I hear what your saying though. Selfish anti-social morons stuff it up for everyone. I remember camping at Parry’s Beach a number of Christmas’s ago when a mouth breathe4 of the ilk you describe so eloquently, was proudly showing off the out of season marron he had speared. Lesson learned. Camp where they charge a fee and the bottle shop is miles away, as it keeps blokes like this clown away.
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Re: WA roo shooting

Post by duncan61 » 06 Nov 2019, 11:39 pm

Between Harvey and Waroona.Another fun thing these locals did was to disconnect the brakes on an old car tow it to the top of the hill at Logues brook dam then pile in it and roll down the hill with no control and fly across the Southwest hwy and roll in to Cookernup.They had a death wish and for a few it came true before they were 20.2 thought it would be fun to play chicken with the goods trains,they lost
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Post by Bruiser64 » 06 Nov 2019, 11:49 pm

duncan61 wrote:Between Harvey and Waroona.Another fun thing these locals did was to disconnect the brakes on an old car tow it to the top of the hill at Logues brook dam then pile in it and roll down the hill with no control and fly across the Southwest hwy and roll in to Cookernup.They had a death wish and for a few it came true before they were 20.2 thought it would be fun to play chicken with the goods trains,they lost


There is just something about the terminally cretinous that makes you glad your own dad never married one his sisters.
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Post by duncan61 » 07 Nov 2019, 12:01 am

stovepipe levis flannelette shirt and thongs with a change into blue singlet for summer.Welcome to Australia
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Re: WA roo shooting

Post by bigpete » 07 Nov 2019, 6:02 am

Bruiser64 wrote:
bigpete wrote:So...what it basically boils down is that there is NO written legislation at all that actually contradicts the national code of conduct. Which is actually a code you can be prosecuted by if you're not doing the right thing by it and get caught. My understanding of it anyway.


Yes. The codes must be complied with. The only time a heart shot is permissible is to euthanise an injured roo (or wallaby where the jurisdiction permits shooting them). The codes are very explicit that if a safe head shot is doubtful, then it MUST NOT be taken.


At least someone here knows how to read as well. Are you from wa?
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Post by Bruiser64 » 07 Nov 2019, 9:08 am

bigpete wrote:
Bruiser64 wrote:
bigpete wrote:So...what it basically boils down is that there is NO written legislation at all that actually contradicts the national code of conduct. Which is actually a code you can be prosecuted by if you're not doing the right thing by it and get caught. My understanding of it anyway.


Yes. The codes must be complied with. The only time a heart shot is permissible is to euthanise an injured roo (or wallaby where the jurisdiction permits shooting them). The codes are very explicit that if a safe head shot is doubtful, then it MUST NOT be taken.


At least someone here knows how to read as well. Are you from wa?


I certainly am. I live on the South Coast. The laws about macropod shooting vary across the different jurisdictions. In WA you only need tags if you are shooting Roos commercially. Farmers or their agent can cull Roos in the shires that have a declared open season. No need to apply for tags to do that. DPAW do regular aerial surveys and the roo numbers here in WA have significantly increased in recent years.
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Post by bigpete » 07 Nov 2019, 9:33 am

So...from your perspective...old mate was breaking the code by chest shooting roos,and there's nothing at all to say that the code of practice can be ignored ?
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Post by flutch » 07 Nov 2019, 10:54 am

Bruiser64 wrote:
bigpete wrote:
Bruiser64 wrote:
bigpete wrote:So...what it basically boils down is that there is NO written legislation at all that actually contradicts the national code of conduct. Which is actually a code you can be prosecuted by if you're not doing the right thing by it and get caught. My understanding of it anyway.


Yes. The codes must be complied with. The only time a heart shot is permissible is to euthanise an injured roo (or wallaby where the jurisdiction permits shooting them). The codes are very explicit that if a safe head shot is doubtful, then it MUST NOT be taken.


At least someone here knows how to read as well. Are you from wa?


I certainly am. I live on the South Coast. The laws about macropod shooting vary across the different jurisdictions. In WA you only need tags if you are shooting Roos commercially. Farmers or their agent can cull Roos in the shires that have a declared open season. No need to apply for tags to do that. DPAW do regular aerial surveys and the roo numbers here in WA have significantly increased in recent years.



well as far as macropods go in general, we have had significant losses in tammar, quokka, wallaby and other species whilst the western grey kangaroo is now beyond overpopulated in comparison to its smaller cousins. agriculture is to blame as most of the smaller species enjoyed heavily wooded areas, but over hunting in the past and extra pressure from predation also has severely damaged their numbers.

roo numbers significantly increasing from the already vast overpopulation is due to a few factors as well.. whilst I dont like the idea of them running open slather on the place I'm also glad that the senseless slaughter of them has declined in most parts I'm familiar with, people used to shoot hundreds at a time on both reserve and private agricultural land and just leave them laying in the paddock.. to me thats a waste.
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Re: WA roo shooting

Post by Blr243 » 07 Nov 2019, 11:27 am

If someone is chest shooting Roos and can’t find written legislation on how a roo can be legally shot in the chest then he is only hoping that he knows the laws or he is believing something that he has heard others say .....u just can’t be confident that you are doing it legally unless you have correctly read and interpreted the written laws that you know for sure are up to date
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Re: WA roo shooting

Post by Bruiser64 » 07 Nov 2019, 7:21 pm

bigpete wrote:So...from your perspective...old mate was breaking the code by chest shooting roos,and there's nothing at all to say that the code of practice can be ignored ?


Hi Pete. Sorry for the delay in responding. I have done some further research so everyone on this forum can be in no doubt that abiding by the codes of practise are mandated by law in WA. It is not optional. As I stated in an earlier post, the Codes stipulate a chest shot must only be used to euthanise an already injured animal.

The Biodiversity and Conservation Act (see link below):

https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legis ... penElement

And the Biodiversity and Conservation Regulations (see link below) are what you need to look at.

https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legis ... penElement

These are where we find our legal responsibilities in respect of shooting kangaroos in WA. The Act and Regulations now refer to “managed fauna”. The section that is relevant here is Section 104 of the Regulations. If you follow the link above and read the regulation it is absolutely crystal clear you must abide by the codes of practise. The bloke you spoke to is just plain wrong. He needs to make himself aware of the rules and make sure he follows them. If he doesn’t he is risking a fine of $10,000. Posting evidence online that you are clearly breaking the law certainly makes the job of the police and prosecution much simpler. Probably not the smartest thing a person can do though.

Please note I am not a lawyer and I am not giving legal advice. If someone wants legal advice they should seek the services of a licensed legal practitioner.
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Post by flutch » 07 Nov 2019, 7:33 pm

+1 ^^^^
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Re: WA roo shooting

Post by bigpete » 07 Nov 2019, 7:49 pm

I thought that would be the case. Otherwise why in hell would there be a NATIONAL code of practice?
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Post by Bruiser64 » 07 Nov 2019, 7:56 pm

bigpete wrote:I thought that would be the case. Otherwise why in hell would there be a NATIONAL code of practice?


Yep. Spot on. People seem to struggle to understand that the Codes of Practise have been developed by, agreed to and signed off by the Federal, State and Territory Governments. As can be seen by the legislation in WA, they have shown their commitment to the codes by making it law to comply.
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Re: WA roo shooting

Post by bigpete » 08 Nov 2019, 12:45 am

And yet people will argue till they're blue in the face that the code of practice doesn't apply to THEM....
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Post by Blr243 » 08 Nov 2019, 5:54 am

Sometimes , actually a lot of the time people think differently, and are unable to process and follow the norm , Sometimes they wake up and listen if they get told off , other times they need a fine to pull them into line .... on the net , in relation to hunting from organisations I have seen written suggestions , recommendations and guidelines eg minimum suitable caliber, Other times NATIONAL CODE OF PRACTICE FOR COMMMERCIAL SHOOTING OF KANGAROOS .....it’s clearly the law and prosecution is a real possibility.....and if prosecution does not occur posting chest shot Roos online is still irresponsible and taints the reputation of the shooting community......we need positive media not otherwise
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Post by sungazer » 08 Nov 2019, 6:17 am

The fine for shooting Australian wildlife should be enough to scare people. It is in the range of $40,000 to $80,000 and or 2 years in Gaol / Jail.
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Post by Bruiser64 » 08 Nov 2019, 8:13 am

bigpete wrote:And yet people will argue till they're blue in the face that the code of practice doesn't apply to THEM....


To quote The Doors: People are strange. It clearly does. The Magistrate will happily prove them wrong as well.
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Post by Bruiser64 » 08 Nov 2019, 8:19 am

Blr243 wrote:Sometimes , actually a lot of the time people think differently, and are unable to process and follow the norm , Sometimes they wake up and listen if they get told off , other times they need a fine to pull them into line .... on the net , in relation to hunting from organisations I have seen written suggestions , recommendations and guidelines eg minimum suitable caliber, Other times NATIONAL CODE OF PRACTICE FOR COMMMERCIAL SHOOTING OF KANGAROOS .....it’s clearly the law and prosecution is a real possibility.....and if prosecution does not occur posting chest shot Roos online is still irresponsible and taints the reputation of the shooting community......we need positive media not otherwise


I totally agree. There is enough antipathy towards us. We don’t need bozos making it easier for the antis. Which is really a large part of the reasoning behind having the Codes. Governments WANT there to be a roo industry and WANT there to be control of numbers by humane shooting. If we do our part by following the rules this can continue.
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Re: WA roo shooting

Post by geoff » 11 Nov 2019, 6:24 pm

Bruiser64 wrote:
Hi Pete. Sorry for the delay in responding. I have done some further research so everyone on this forum can be in no doubt that abiding by the codes of practise are mandated by law in WA. It is not optional. As I stated in an earlier post, the Codes stipulate a chest shot must only be used to euthanise an already injured animal.

The Biodiversity and Conservation Act (see link below):

https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legis ... penElement

And the Biodiversity and Conservation Regulations (see link below) are what you need to look at.

https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legis ... penElement

These are where we find our legal responsibilities in respect of shooting kangaroos in WA. The Act and Regulations now refer to “managed fauna”. The section that is relevant here is Section 104 of the Regulations. If you follow the link above and read the regulation it is absolutely crystal clear you must abide by the codes of practise. The bloke you spoke to is just plain wrong. He needs to make himself aware of the rules and make sure he follows them. If he doesn’t he is risking a fine of $10,000. Posting evidence online that you are clearly breaking the law certainly makes the job of the police and prosecution much simpler. Probably not the smartest thing a person can do though.

Please note I am not a lawyer and I am not giving legal advice. If someone wants legal advice they should seek the services of a licensed legal practitioner.


Hello from a fellow south coast dweller. This is an outstanding and well drafted post. A rare sight on the internet (i might be new to this forum, but not others...)

The ignorance on display by many firearm owners about the legislation we operate inside of is astounding. It's little wonder we are so easily overran.

EDIT: I also really enjoyed reading the contempt for the Collie Clans on here. Glad i'm not the only one.
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Post by Bruiser64 » 11 Nov 2019, 10:11 pm

Thanks for that Geoff. Re: the Collie Clans. At least they keep the legal fraternity in gainful employment. How can you tell when it’s winter in a Collie? All the girls are wearing West Coast socks with their thongs.

Recently police discovered a huge cache of drugs, firearms and explosives behind the library in Collie. The mayor was asked for his response: “I’m shocked. I didn’t even know we had a library.”
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Post by duncan61 » 12 Nov 2019, 6:05 pm

I went to a wedding in collie and 2 girls turned up at the photo shoot with high vis mine clothing and an esky full of beer between them
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Post by knowsnothin » 12 Nov 2019, 9:25 pm

duncan61 wrote:I went to a wedding in collie and 2 girls turned up at the photo shoot with high vis mine clothing and an esky full of beer between them


Lucky ba$tard. Marrying two quality sheilas like that..
hope they weren't his sisters
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Re: WA roo shooting

Post by Faedy » 12 Nov 2019, 11:15 pm

I had the fine task of being stationed there as a Forest Officer back in the early 90's - had a couple of locals place a few .22 rounds into trees next to me as i stumbled across their pot plot... Was a tense time and had local coppers involved. It was obvious that they were trying to scare me, but man I legged it outta their fast.. straight past their 4x4 with no plates on it .....
It was feral as back then and coal was making big $$$$
Rules mean nothing to them at all
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Post by Bruiser64 » 12 Nov 2019, 11:21 pm

Faedy wrote:I had the fine task of being stationed there as a Forest Officer back in the early 90's - had a couple of locals place a few .22 rounds into trees next to me as i stumbled across their pot plot... Was a tense time and had local coppers involved. It was obvious that they were trying to scare me, but man I legged it outta their fast.. straight past their 4x4 with no plates on it .....
It was feral as back then and coal was making big $$$$
Rules mean nothing to them at all


Apparently people in Collie don’t know the meaning of the word fear. They also don’t know the meaning of most of the other words in the English language either.
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