Easter Hunting Trip Vs. COVID19 - QLD - Can I get fined?

[Oldbloke]

Victoria. Issued today.

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[Sergeant Hartman]

No one is answering the big elephant question in the room. What next?

Yes we are not having deaths now, but we are not developing heard immunity as well. Are we supposed to stay JAILED in our homes for 12/18 months until a vaccine is made available?

[TassieTiger]

I don’t think ppl can answer Z - I think the govt is hoping and praying for a miracle vaccine / cure.
I watched a USA DR from New York last night say that AU is still in fantasy land and our numbers will go crazy in 10-20 days due to our testing programme being inadequate...we are following the same regime for testing as Italy and missing a symptomatic ppl who will inadvertently spread virus.
Regardless, whether this is true, as you’ve said before, we eradicate it locally - then what? We are going in to winter, one missed person and we start again ?

[Farmerpete]

Saw something last night or the night before on sky news that mentioned ivemectin? Not sure on spelling its a head lice treatment supposedly killed the virus.
They say clinical trials in 3 to 6 months so I'm assuming we'll be let out then (If it works)

[Gamerancher]

Until a viable vaccine is developed, this will run it's natural coarse throughout the population. The lock-downs are just to delay the inevitable and "slow down" the rate of infections to avoid overloading our hospital system.

[Blr243]

I think gamerancher u might be right. Our heath system can cope better if this thing is a long slow painful nightmare instead of a single deadly explosion .... I don’t think this virus can be contained inside 2020 .......it’s like a very bad dream that I wish I could wake up from.

[Ferrisweil]

And you watch the rates of clinical depression, suicide and DV sky rocket if this is forced on people for 6 months; and that’s not to mention the impact on 90% of businesses. THOSE figures will be more devastating than Covid, and hence why I believe 6 months of this lockdown is not feasible.

[Ziege]

Wonder how much longer the suck it up sunshine attitude will remain if restrictions aren't lifted and it becomes clearer and clearer that we are entering a dangerous authoritarian socialist regime..... **Queue mystery music**

[Sergeant Hartman]

Yep. Ferris, that's what i am starting to think.

Which gamerancher mentions a very valid point that i used to... still.... believe, butt with so many reports that currently loads of icu beds are unoccupied because we have slowed the spread.

According to the age article i posted somewhere else, the countries where the first wave of Spanish flu instances were lowest, had the highest numbers overall when the second wave of the virus hit.

[Blr243]

Us lot who lose our small businesses and our jobs may for a moment feel jealous of those that haven’t , eg imagine I’m out looking for work and a police officer stops me and tells me to go home .... and so I turn around and head for home knowing I will only be haveing baked beans on toast , but I think that the police officer on his normal guaranteed pay will be chewing on a nice char grilled rump steak....... but at the end of the day as I am licking the last drop of sauce from my cutlery, I may come out on top .... the police, the supermarket workers , Bunnings employees doctors and nurses and everyone else who still has guaranteed income , are all stuck in the seemingly unescapeable high risk environment where they are more likely to become sick, and infect their families .......they must be sh.......ing themselves. I think very fast we are all going to be forced to learn more about the importance of patience, tolerance and cooperation

[trekin]

Saw something last night or the night before on sky news that mentioned ivemectin? Not sure on spelling its a head lice treatment supposedly killed the virus.
They say clinical trials in 3 to 6 months so I'm assuming we'll be let out then (If it works)

Does not require clinical trails, Ivermectin is already approved as an oral medication for the control of headlice, therefore its side effects in humans is already known. They could jump straight to human trails to determine the dosage required to effectively treat this virus as early as the end of this week, it will only require that Monash University's results be replicated by a couple of other, independant, labs. However, finding an effective way to treat/wipe out this virus is not on their agender.

[perentie]

Then there are those that are asymptomatic. Dont show up in testing or show symptoms yet are still carriers.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-04/ ... s/12119942

[Gamerancher]

I don't know about taking Ivermectin for this, I have used it to drench my cattle, ( it is a common parasite drench for livestock ), safety warnings on the package say to avoid contact with skin and wash thoroughly after use? Anyone want me to dose them up?

[Ziege]

Ivermectin is used in pill form in the developing world to control lice and other parasites in empoverished communities. The dose is far less than what old mate will be putting on his cattle, I fail to see how it could affect a virus

[Gamerancher]

Yeah mate , I do realise that, perhaps I should have used this......

[Blr243]

I would hate to be driving a Ute loaded with a quad bike and a swag in cent Qld this Easter ....it will be swooped on as if it were a boatload of coke from South America..... there’s bound to be people caught and made an example of

[TassieTiger]

I’ve just had a ph conference with a very highly rated medical practitioner in Switzerland Re a recent surgery I had and the conversation turned to cv for some time post surgical discussion.
Take the following as info only. Please do your own research.
He said to me - stromectal (pharmaceutical name) for ivermectin has shown positive results in 60% of - non clinical - studies. TBC but was a lot more positive than anyone thought it would be.
The aids medication was 50/50 with testing and the maleria drug (chloroquine) is still being evaluated but has not proven to be as successful as hoped.
BUT he said (his info, not mine) the manufactures of tamaflu have had 100% success rate in lowering symptoms by at least 80%. They believe - they have a cure as a result. BUT - it’s all down to the $$$$ and FDA as to how fast they can / will proceed - as FDA are very strict on trials.
The CDC are seeking a waiver to the strict testing regime - but even if that’s successful, the manufacturers won’t pour millions into production in case, it falls over from an unknown - so best case for this particular drug being available - would be October.

Again and as above - this was conveyed to me privately by a high ranking medical practitioner. It is 4th hand info and should be treated as such. Do NOT go taking any medication without consulting your own medical ppl. I know nothing of his back ground in virology - he is a specialist in his individual surgical field.

[sungazer]

I would not say that it is only used in developing countries and it is not used so much for head lice.

It is used to treat worms I have a couple of packets the brand I have is called Zentar Plus Albendazole 400mg and Ivermectin 6mg so this drug would not require much in the way of approvals but would it work on a virus and what would the dose be that would need to be determined.

The price I paid for it was less than $1 it may have only been 50c

[Ziege]

There's like 5 people on this forum that keep using coarse in place of course... It's really bothering me

[Sergeant Hartman]

I think tamiflu is a very effective drug for treatment of different types of flu including swine flu. But while we do need a treatment a vaccine is the end game.

As they say prevention is better than cure.

[trekin]

I’ve just had a ph conference with a very highly rated medical practitioner in Switzerland Re a recent surgery I had and the conversation turned to cv for some time post surgical discussion.
Take the following as info only. Please do your own research.
He said to me - stromectal (pharmaceutical name) for ivermectin has shown positive results in 60% of - non clinical - studies. TBC but was a lot more positive than anyone thought it would be.
The aids medication was 50/50 with testing and the maleria drug (chloroquine) is still being evaluated but has not proven to be as successful as hoped.
BUT he said (his info, not mine) the manufactures of tamaflu have had 100% success rate in lowering symptoms by at least 80%. They believe - they have a cure as a result. BUT - it’s all down to the $$$$ and FDA as to how fast they can / will proceed - as FDA are very strict on trials.
The CDC are seeking a waiver to the strict testing regime - but even if that’s successful, the manufacturers won’t pour millions into production in case, it falls over from an unknown - so best case for this particular drug being available - would be October.

Again and as above - this was conveyed to me privately by a high ranking medical practitioner. It is 4th hand info and should be treated as such. Do NOT go taking any medication without consulting your own medical ppl. I know nothing of his back ground in virology - he is a specialist in his individual surgical field.

Fortunately, for the rest of the world, FDA (The Food and Drug Administration (FDA or USFDA) is a federal agency of the United States Department of Health and Human Services, one of the United States ...) approval is not required. In Aus, the TGA are the ones to approve medicines, https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/partner ... nistration

[TassieTiger]

Politics and $$$ being as it is - is who know wtf might eventuate...

[Oldbloke]

.... the police, the supermarket workers , Bunnings employees doctors and nurses and everyone else who still has guaranteed income , are all stuck in the seemingly unescapeable high risk environment where they are more likely to become sick, and infect their families .......they must be sh.......ing themselves. I think very fast we are all going to be forced to learn more about the importance of patience, tolerance and cooperation

Been thinking that myself. I'm 65 now. I ask myself, is work worth the risk?

[Oldbloke]

There's like 5 people on this forum that keep using coarse in place of course... It's really bothering me

Yeh, I'm hearng you. See it daily. Here is a few more.
To too
Would wood
Tho though
Of off

Poor use of language, but then it is only a forum.

[Blr243]

I’m actually a very good speller but I know I m guilty of misspelling would often.......Off coarse I could spell better tho unsure I wood want too. (Tok Me fife minnits too strung that togeva )

[NTSOG]

Ziege wrote: "There's like 5 people on this forum that keep using coarse …"

Of course they might be describing coarse fishing:

"In the United Kingdom and Ireland coarse fishing refers to angling for freshwater fish which are traditionally considered undesirable as a food or game fish. Freshwater game fish are all salmonids—most particularly salmon, trout and char—so generally coarse fish, also known as rough fish, are freshwater fish that are not salmonids...."

Bloody carp fall under that label.

Jim

[Ziege]

They aren't, they just have bad vocabularies.

[NTSOG]

Ziege: "... they just have bad vocabularies."

I fear, as one who once taught English Expression and studied German, French and Latin, that many of the students of today spell very poorly due to slack teaching and the overall belief of trendy young teachers that structured and coherent expression has little value. Feelings are enough - until said students have to get a job and write reports that are comprehensible to others, have some organisational purpose and even legal standing.

Jim

[Ziege]

+1 I'm strict as with my kids writing and grammar and correct use of vocabulary. I'm not the greatest but was astounded at how poorly even my other half cohort and herself were at University when it came to elaborating and coherently expressing their findings/ideas in writing, math and science (mostly applicable/engineering etc) was my strong suit at school so paid very little attention to English or literature. Yet I find myself leagues above others in both spelling, vocab, and the likes.... What erks me the most is when there is a highly contentious situation at play regarding firearms and lafo's with poor literary skill make well intentioned arguments but instead set themselves and the whole scene up as poorly educated and therefore lead to dismissal of our values and wants.

But yeah the education system owes some answers I think, first world country my ass, kids in grade 3 in the Philippines have better comprehension and spelling and vocab than a lot of Aussies. Also noticed a lot where teachers blame parents, this doesn't fly in my book, if you're a teacher, then teach.


But yeah enough with the thread hijack, as for old mates question, if it were me as the authorities and you're telling me you were going out of your way for a 150 acre property I would probably tell you to sod off.

[trekin]

32 of the confirmed cases up here have now classed as mystery transmission, they have not been able to track where these cases came into contact with another confirmed case.
Possible scenio?,
Community transmission, which begs the question "how long has it been circulating in the community?"
Clusters of 'mystery tranmission" have been have found in Cairns, Townville and the Gold Coast.