Bush block

[bladeracer]

It's worth keeping in mind that you may not have to buy hundreds of acres to have somewhere to shoot and camp. Buying a small holding of 5 acres or less, but surrounded by farmland can have you hunting and shooting on all those surrounding properties - if you get on well with the neighbours. And with that on offer I would make damned sure I was the absolute number-one favorite neighbour they ever had!

[Harrynsw]

There are a handful of properties down this way that you can't build habitable dwellings on after they were burned out in '09. We looked at one but the price asked was way too high for land with that restriction on it.
The minimum size if you plan to build down this way is 100 acres. Lots of people bought
smaller blocks years ago that they planned to retire to, then that law changed and they can no longer build homes on them.

That's pretty rough

[Harrynsw]

It's worth keeping in mind that you may not have to buy hundreds of acres to have somewhere to shoot and camp. Buying a small holding of 5 acres or less, but surrounded by farmland can have you hunting and shooting on all those surrounding properties - if you get on well with the neighbours. And with that on offer I would make damned sure I was the absolute number-one favorite neighbour they ever had!

A good suggestion. Thanks

[AJB]

Property with building permision is the way to go that way if you do want to live there sum day no probs or it will b a weekender and after a few years driving back and forth you will probably wish ya could stay there whenever ya like and build what ya want will help with resale too

[bladeracer]

Property with building permision is the way to go that way if you do want to live there sum day no probs or it will b a weekender and after a few years driving back and forth you will probably wish ya could stay there whenever ya like and build what ya want will help with resale too

Unless they change the laws between you buying it and when you decide you want to move there.

[AJB]

Once it has building permision your pretty much ok they have a lot of different rules all over nsw ive looked at a 100 acre block that had permision to build do what ya like then just up the road different rules on the same sized block no living can build small shed weekender only very frustating and dont go off what the wright up and pics look like sum look magic only to drive miles to a dump in the bush with a goat track to get in

[bladeracer]

Once it has building permision your pretty much ok they have a lot of different rules all over nsw ive looked at a 100 acre block that had permision to build do what ya like then just up the road different rules on the same sized block no living can build small shed weekender only very frustating and dont go off what the wright up and pics look like sum look magic only to drive miles to a dump in the bush with a goat track to get in

If you have a building permit already in place I would think it'd be honoured. Down here a lot of people bought retirement blocks decades ago, and then the laws were changed so they can't build.

[AJB]

That would really hurt bladeracer i think if ya buy a block ya should be able to do what ya like with in reason of course but there is allways sum sort of bulls**t or guidelines makes ya think is it really a free country ive just had a heap of dramas buying land can s**t ya to tears at times

[Stix]

Property with building permision is the way to go that way if you do want to live there sum day no probs or it will b a weekender and after a few years driving back and forth you will probably wish ya could stay there whenever ya like and build what ya want will help with resale too

Unless they change the laws between you buying it and when you decide you want to move there.

Or you realise you like the tranquility & dont want a heap of close neighbours removing all vegetation to building a huge Mausoleum with satellite tower & be complaining every time you let off a rifle or light a camp fire...

Just Check local regs.....or lets keep listing possible hypotheticals for random plots of land around the country...

...Sorry...

Once it has building permision your pretty much ok they have a lot of different rules all over nsw ive looked at a 100 acre block that had permision to build do what ya like then just up the road different rules on the same sized block no living can build small shed weekender only very frustating and dont go off what the wright up and pics look like sum look magic only to drive miles to a dump in the bush with a goat track to get in

If you have a building permit already in place I would think it'd be honoured. Down here a lot of people bought retirement blocks decades ago, and then the laws were changed so they can't build.

Not necessarily...just to say you have developement approval is to say you can build...it doesnt necessarily mean you can build what you like...

Or if actual building plans have approval, you cannot change them without cost, & a reasonable start must usually be undertaken within 12 mnths of approval date...
In other words, if you've spent 50k on earthworks but dont have the slab down in a years time, you may not be able to continue & may have to start from scratch with a new application, & if the new developement plan has kicked in & regs changed--youre screwed...you may even have to reinstate the works done back to natural landscape if the worst happens...

But...As above...just pick a plot & research that plot...

[bladeracer]

That would really hurt bladeracer i think if ya buy a block ya should be able to do what ya like with in reason of course but there is allways sum sort of bulls**t or guidelines makes ya think is it really a free country ive just had a heap of dramas buying land can s**t ya to tears at times

I don't disagree with you, but the fault was with the original laws allowing farmers to sell off small blocks with no regard for the future of the wider rural community. If it had been stopped at the beginning it wouldn't have become a problem now.

[TassieTiger]

Or think out side the box a little - don’t put the dwelling on a slab, then it’s not affixed and worse case scenario can be relocated. In Tas at least - in most bush block cases (that is rural farmland, no houses, blah blah) - it won’t be treated as a “permanent dwelling” regardless...as it must be full time occupied for xx days per year - or words to that effect.

There are various interpretations of Local Planning regs / rules - as Stix says, research the shed out of it.

[Harrynsw]

Or think out side the box a little - don’t put the dwelling on a slab, then it’s not affixed and worse case scenario can be relocated. In Tas at least - in most bush block cases (that is rural farmland, no houses, blah blah) - it won’t be treated as a “permanent dwelling” regardless...as it must be full time occupied for xx days per year - or words to that effect.

Will have to look into the specifics.

There are various interpretations of Local Planning regs / rules - as Stix says, research the shed out of it.

Will have to look In the specifics when it's time.

[FNQ]

Southern states are weird

QLD its all very simple as long as you buy a block zoned "rural" then you can virtually do as you please (cut it down, build it, bulldoze it, burn it, etc) only exclusions;

1 dwelling per title
Subdivision is up to Shire approval as to how many more blocks or titles you can create.

The above being said there are plenty of "shed homes / dwellings" that is "sheds" with kitchens, toilets, bathrooms and nobody cares.. when you go to sell you call them "sheds" and everyone gets it..

As for shooting, motorbike riding, loud music, 4wd paddock bashing all legal and its nothing to do with the neighbours. Would not suggest firing up the CR500 at 3am for a few lapse of the motocross track but hey... Sure they can call the Police and complain but nothing can be done, obviously it better if you just get along with neighbours

Oh and a fire permit is required for any fire that over 2m in circumference or so was told

[AJB]

I should move to qld

[Harrynsw]

Southern states are weird

QLD its all very simple as long as you buy a block zoned "rural" then you can virtually do as you please (cut it down, build it, bulldoze it, burn it, etc) only exclusions;

1 dwelling per title
Subdivision is up to Shire approval as to how many more blocks or titles you can create.

The above being said there are plenty of "shed homes / dwellings" that is "sheds" with kitchens, toilets, bathrooms and nobody cares.. when you go to sell you call them "sheds" and everyone gets it..

As for shooting, motorbike riding, loud music, 4wd paddock bashing all legal and its nothing to do with the neighbours. Would not suggest firing up the CR500 at 3am for a few lapse of the motocross track but hey... Sure they can call the Police and complain but nothing can be done, obviously it better if you just get along with neighbours

Oh and a fire permit is required for any fire that over 2m in circumference or so was told

Very laid back, not to complicated, the way it should be.

[FNQ]

NSW you can have a "shed" up to 50sqm with out building permit no questions asked!

For NSW, here are the ways that your shed can be exempt from needing council approval (in other words, if these statements apply to your shed, you don’t need a permit!):

• Your shed is the only detached structure in the backyard
• Your shed is not a shipping container (no worries, here, EasyShed doesn’t sell shipping containers!)
• Your shed is no larger than 20 square metres if you live in a residential area
• If you live in a rural area (RU1, RU2, RU3, RU4 or RU5), your shed is no larger than 50 square metres
• Your shed is at least 900mm away from each boundary
• If your shed is raised off of the ground - lofted, for instance, - it is less than 3 metres from the ground
• Your shed doesn’t interfere with the fire safety of other buildings - it’s not blocking entrances, for instance
• Your shed isn’t made of fire-prone materials if you live in a fire-prone area
• Your shed is constructed of low-reflective material in residential areas
• The water runoff from your shed doesn’t have a negative impact on your neighbor’s property
If there was even one of these stipulations that you doesn’t describe your shed, you’ll have to start the process of getting council approval.

[Harrynsw]

NSW you can have a "shed" up to 50sqm with out building permit no questions asked!

For NSW, here are the ways that your shed can be exempt from needing council approval (in other words, if these statements apply to your shed, you don’t need a permit!):

• Your shed is the only detached structure in the backyard
• Your shed is not a shipping container (no worries, here, EasyShed doesn’t sell shipping containers!)
• Your shed is no larger than 20 square metres if you live in a residential area
• If you live in a rural area (RU1, RU2, RU3, RU4 or RU5), your shed is no larger than 50 square metres
• Your shed is at least 900mm away from each boundary
• If your shed is raised off of the ground - lofted, for instance, - it is less than 3 metres from the ground
• Your shed doesn’t interfere with the fire safety of other buildings - it’s not blocking entrances, for instance
• Your shed isn’t made of fire-prone materials if you live in a fire-prone area
• Your shed is constructed of low-reflective material in residential areas
• The water runoff from your shed doesn’t have a negative impact on your neighbor’s property
If there was even one of these stipulations that you doesn’t describe your shed, you’ll have to start the process of getting council approval.

Thanks for that...

I could very well go this venture on my own, anyway will see what the future holds.

[bladeracer]

Or think out side the box a little - don’t put the dwelling on a slab, then it’s not affixed and worse case scenario can be relocated. In Tas at least - in most bush block cases (that is rural farmland, no houses, blah blah) - it won’t be treated as a “permanent dwelling” regardless...as it must be full time occupied for xx days per year - or words to that effect.

There are various interpretations of Local Planning regs / rules - as Stix says, research the shed out of it.

Don't think that works here, if you're living in it it's a dwelling.
People should be allowed to build in bushfire zones if they wish to, as long as they understand the ramifications. The government should not be dictating to us.

[bladeracer]

Southern states are weird

QLD its all very simple as long as you buy a block zoned "rural" then you can virtually do as you please (cut it down, build it, bulldoze it, burn it, etc) only exclusions;

1 dwelling per title
Subdivision is up to Shire approval as to how many more blocks or titles you can create.

The above being said there are plenty of "shed homes / dwellings" that is "sheds" with kitchens, toilets, bathrooms and nobody cares.. when you go to sell you call them "sheds" and everyone gets it..

As for shooting, motorbike riding, loud music, 4wd paddock bashing all legal and its nothing to do with the neighbours. Would not suggest firing up the CR500 at 3am for a few lapse of the motocross track but hey... Sure they can call the Police and complain but nothing can be done, obviously it better if you just get along with neighbours

Oh and a fire permit is required for any fire that over 2m in circumference or so was told

Surely they have laws about noise that would apply with riding or shooting at night? You can't just insert yourself into other people's lives.

[TassieTiger]

Or think out side the box a little - don’t put the dwelling on a slab, then it’s not affixed and worse case scenario can be relocated. In Tas at least - in most bush block cases (that is rural farmland, no houses, blah blah) - it won’t be treated as a “permanent dwelling” regardless...as it must be full time occupied for xx days per year - or words to that effect.

There are various interpretations of Local Planning regs / rules - as Stix says, research the shed out of it.

Don't think that works here, if you're living in it it's a dwelling.
People should be allowed to build in bushfire zones if they wish to, as long as they understand the ramifications. The government should not be dictating to us.

In Tas bush, On your land, You can live in a caravan / tent / temporary home - without council approvals as long as its not deemed permanent...
^ I really like QLD laws above...simple, realistic and - if you want to take the CR500 out at midnight with a dozen under the skin, go for it...prob only do it once

[FNQ]

Harrynsw

If its just you, friends and family I see no problem with camping and zoning etc.
You could spend as little or as much as you have disposable.
Running live stock - farming is expensive & time consuming, not for a novice as it will become a money pit. Guys hinting at primary production & cash crops I'm guessing don't know what they are talking about...

However 30,40,50 - 100 acres of bush as a weekender is do able. Two things;
1) If its farmable land its going to be expensive
2) closer to civilisation its going to be expensive

[FNQ]

Southern states are weird

QLD its all very simple as long as you buy a block zoned "rural" then you can virtually do as you please (cut it down, build it, bulldoze it, burn it, etc) only exclusions;

1 dwelling per title
Subdivision is up to Shire approval as to how many more blocks or titles you can create.

The above being said there are plenty of "shed homes / dwellings" that is "sheds" with kitchens, toilets, bathrooms and nobody cares.. when you go to sell you call them "sheds" and everyone gets it..

As for shooting, motorbike riding, loud music, 4wd paddock bashing all legal and its nothing to do with the neighbours. Would not suggest firing up the CR500 at 3am for a few lapse of the motocross track but hey... Sure they can call the Police and complain but nothing can be done, obviously it better if you just get along with neighbours

Oh and a fire permit is required for any fire that over 2m in circumference or so was told

Surely they have laws about noise that would apply with riding or shooting at night? You can't just insert yourself into other people's lives.

Vehicles
Be it a ride-on lawnmower or a Lamborghini, if it has an engine, the chances are its owner will rev it with gusto. By obeying the following laws, you can enjoy driving your new toy without driving your neighbours insane.

NSW: Excessive vehicular noise is prohibited between 8pm and 8am on weekends, and 8pm and 7am on weekdays.
ACT: In Canberra, noise restrictions change depending upon the residential zone in which you live. For further information, check the government’s Noise ACT website.
Qld: There are no specific time-based laws governing vehicular noise. Instead, complaints are to be directed to the police, who will use their discretion to address the issue.
Vic: Unless it is entering or leaving premises, a vehicle must remain quiet before 7am and after 8pm on weekdays, and before 9am and after 8pm on weekends and public holidays.
SA: As in Queensland, the police are authorised to perform subjective noise assessments of offending vehicles.
Tas: Complaints about excessively noisy vehicles are to be directed to the Department of Infrastructure, Energy and Resources by calling 1300 135 513.
WA: Vehicular noise laws are determined by local governments so check with your local council. Complaints may also be made to the police.
NT: Owners of noisy vehicles should abide by the same restrictions governing loud music (see above).

What I think QLD is trying to say is "don't be a dick but enjoy"

[Oldbloke]

There is also a lot of bulls**t with council when buying some land some blocks have to be of a certain size to be able to build or live on like over 100 or 200 acres and some only let you stay weekends and your only allowed to build a shed of a certain size it can get frustating at times when only a 5klm difference in propertys but a heap of different rules in nsw

Certainly thats what I discovered in Vic. Sold as a result.

[Stix]

NSW you can have a "shed" up to 50sqm with out building permit no questions asked!

For NSW, here are the ways that your shed can be exempt from needing council approval (in other words, if these statements apply to your shed, you don’t need a permit!):

• Your shed is the only detached structure in the backyard
• Your shed is not a shipping container (no worries, here, EasyShed doesn’t sell shipping containers!)
• Your shed is no larger than 20 square metres if you live in a residential area
• If you live in a rural area (RU1, RU2, RU3, RU4 or RU5), your shed is no larger than 50 square metres
• Your shed is at least 900mm away from each boundary
• If your shed is raised off of the ground - lofted, for instance, - it is less than 3 metres from the ground
• Your shed doesn’t interfere with the fire safety of other buildings - it’s not blocking entrances, for instance
• Your shed isn’t made of fire-prone materials if you live in a fire-prone area
• Your shed is constructed of low-reflective material in residential areas
• The water runoff from your shed doesn’t have a negative impact on your neighbor’s property
If there was even one of these stipulations that you doesn’t describe your shed, you’ll have to start the process of getting council approval.

Thats funny... ...sorry FNQ...

But you start by saying you can build a shed no questions asked, then list a heap of restrictions in which the development will subjected to...

Id also find it surprising there are no minimum requirements for the actual building itself...

Im not going to bother to look it up, but the BCA (building code) IS a national legislated document, along with other standards that operate under it...such as timber framing code, plumbing codes, roof decking & cladding etc etc etc...

Those stsndards (where applicable) also have different stipulations for cyclonic/non-cyclonis areas...

So i doubt you can just throw any old shed up anywhere in NSW where it is exempt from meeting the vast & intricate set of legislation & building regs that the rest of the country must meet.

[bladeracer]

NSW you can have a "shed" up to 50sqm with out building permit no questions asked!

For NSW, here are the ways that your shed can be exempt from needing council approval (in other words, if these statements apply to your shed, you don’t need a permit!):

• Your shed is the only detached structure in the backyard
• Your shed is not a shipping container (no worries, here, EasyShed doesn’t sell shipping containers!)
• Your shed is no larger than 20 square metres if you live in a residential area
• If you live in a rural area (RU1, RU2, RU3, RU4 or RU5), your shed is no larger than 50 square metres
• Your shed is at least 900mm away from each boundary
• If your shed is raised off of the ground - lofted, for instance, - it is less than 3 metres from the ground
• Your shed doesn’t interfere with the fire safety of other buildings - it’s not blocking entrances, for instance
• Your shed isn’t made of fire-prone materials if you live in a fire-prone area
• Your shed is constructed of low-reflective material in residential areas
• The water runoff from your shed doesn’t have a negative impact on your neighbor’s property
If there was even one of these stipulations that you doesn’t describe your shed, you’ll have to start the process of getting council approval.

Thats funny... ...sorry FNQ...

But you start by saying you can build a shed no questions asked, then list a heap of restrictions in which the development will subjected to...

Id also find it surprising there are no minimum requirements for the actual building itself...

Im not going to bother to look it up, but the BCA (building code) IS a national legislated document, along with other standards that operate under it...such as timber framing code, plumbing codes, roof decking & cladding etc etc etc...

Those stsndards (where applicable) also have different stipulations for cyclonic/non-cyclonis areas...

So i doubt you can just throw any old shed up anywhere in NSW where it is exempt from meeting the vast & intricate set of legislation & building regs that the rest of the country must meet.

http://agriculture.vic.gov.au/agriculture/farm-management
http://agriculture.vic.gov.au/agriculture/farm-management/business-management/legal-information-for-victorian-landholders

[bladeracer]

Victoria planning permissions for farm zones.
https://planning-schemes.delwp.vic.gov.au/schemes/vpps/35_07.pdf

[Stix]

Harrynsw

If its just you, friends and family I see no problem with camping and zoning etc.
You could spend as little or as much as you have disposable.
Running live stock - farming is expensive & time consuming, not for a novice as it will become a money pit. Guys hinting at primary production & cash crops I'm guessing don't know what they are talking about...

However 30,40,50 - 100 acres of bush as a weekender is do able. Two things;
1) If its farmable land its going to be expensive
2) closer to civilisation its going to be expensive

Sorry i just read this post fnq.

You speak as if the OP is incapable of running a couple of sheep for a feed, & that anyone who doesnt know how to run a fully operational commercoal farming enterprise should restrict themselves to just buy a 100 acresof scrub to boil a billy.

Maybe i get the wrong idea from yr post, but it just sounds negative & somewhat dictatory.

Im not a farmer, & neither are many many people who do anything from run a few sheep or cattle for a feed, or invest in a large acreage & lease it out or share farm.

I dont see any issue in encouraging someone to look into any opportunities for value adding to their investment to get the most out of it.

I dont think your in a position to be dismissive of people who are encouraging of this, as having no idea, or to suggesting the OP is only capable of managing his own camping spot of between 30-100 acres.

Its well demonstrated people known as "city dwellers" can be pretty entitled & stereotype country folk as less than capable in many aspects of life...but its also true the opposite stereotype exists...

[Harrynsw]

Harrynsw

If its just you, friends and family I see no problem with camping and zoning etc.
You could spend as little or as much as you have disposable.
Running live stock - farming is expensive & time consuming, not for a novice as it will become a money pit. Guys hinting at primary production & cash crops I'm guessing don't know what they are talking about...

However 30,40,50 - 100 acres of bush as a weekender is do able. Two things;
1) If its farmable land its going to be expensive
2) closer to civilisation its going to be expensive

Thanks FNQ, I see the point you're trying to convey.
I will save a few bucks if it's not farmable/close to civilisation which is what I'm hoping for

[TassieTiger]

Here, here Stix - as you know - certain farming opportunities abound, if one cares to research...

As my esteemed accountant once advised - show me a doctor or a lawyer in this country that doesn’t own a “farm”.....

[FNQ]

Harrynsw gets it.

In my learned opinion he is asking about a bush block to go camping & shooting on etc not a business or tax dodge.

I'm a pilot who owns and runs a farm but hey what would I know?

Just trying to help Harrynsw