ZaineB wrote:Im on the fence as the "GROUND SHOOTING OF CAMELS (CAM001)" cites in a manner that can and would be interpreted (due to mitigating factors of how many people encounter camels). That no camels be left injured, hence why I do not advocate for the lesser powered 30cal rifles in such situations, on sandy country where you can "round up" the camels headshots are all too easy, but average joe plodding along with his 308 would be better off leaving larger animals be if he cant pursue them due to terrain, Personally I load 225gr mono's in my 300 with substantially more oomph than the 308 has at 150 to 168 grains which is average joes 308 bullet. and even this on larger animals can feel a little underpowered, however I personally don't have any issue hitting what I am aiming at. I am not alone in this including the experience and so forth of many station owners I personally know. most have 40+ cal firearms for this purpose, that or 338 or 375 and up in various cartridges.
roos I don't like shooting unless for an express purpose, so even if a farmer has a destruction permit for a whole swath of roos I am not inclined to go shoot them, if they're going to be used for something sure, but otherwise nah thanks, roo shooting is really one step away from shooting paper targets, a predictable target that takes little skill to hunt down or locate. As I've mentioned before there are several reserves and farms around the place here (tree farms mostly) where the "Locals" go and shoot a lot of roos, many of which end up near the roadway and also on my property and they are left severely injured, this results in a good few hours driving and walking around putting them down myself, sure their numbers are high here, but I still dont see the need for the senseless killing of them all, its not like they're covering the highway or eating all the local crops, in fact they are very benign. I think the headshot inside of 200m with a high powered 20cal or larger is a great rule of thumb when it comes to shooting roos, as opposed to just letting people use their own choice, 22lr just doesn't cut it most the time.
when it comes to "GROUND SHOOTING OF FERAL PIGS (PIG003)" I have no real issue with most of all the information presented in it, I find it mostly in line with what I have experienced and that of what I have seen in footage and from other peoples experiences, most people pig hunting tend to lean towards using larger caliber firearms with decent hitting power so I find their prescribed .243 to be a flexible point to start from seeing as its a pretty darn high energy cartridge and discourages people from using 222, 223, 22-250 to do the job of a bigger gun. I like how it exclusively cites the use of dogs to actually hold down pigs as something they do not condone as I do not condone this either for a few reasons, some personal some ethical.
bigrich wrote:
i agree with your views on roo shooting zaine . i've done it once with a mate who knew his stuff . roo culling is a job of nessecity , i don't see it as fun . if i had a patch of land myself , if they weren't causing any issues i'd leave them alone . goats,deer rabbits for the freezer , pigs, cats, foxes, dogs all shot on sight where humane ,cause of the impact on farmers and the enviroment
animalpest wrote:pomemax - from either point of view. Other than the kangaroo CoP's (there are two), there is no distinction made in the Codes and SoP's between commercial/recreational shooters.
ZaineB wrote:bigrich wrote:
i agree with your views on roo shooting zaine . i've done it once with a mate who knew his stuff . roo culling is a job of nessecity , i don't see it as fun . if i had a patch of land myself , if they weren't causing any issues i'd leave them alone . goats,deer rabbits for the freezer , pigs, cats, foxes, dogs all shot on sight where humane ,cause of the impact on farmers and the enviroment
Yeah mate I have noticed a few of your sentiments are facsimiles of my own, I think most of mine comes from my grandad who would never shoot any other roos besides the one he wanted to have in the fridge. I can remember being sat beside him on a fox drive and a mob of roos came barreling through the bush, I raised my little side by side 410 and he prompty picked out a smallish male and said "quick that short one coming from there" as he pointed at it, I lifted up the muzzle and put the shot through its head and we left the rest running by. also managed to get three foxes in the same sitting, was a good day but that ethos stuck with me, my uncle and a few other blokes on the other hand would happily just cut sick on whatever came through, I'm glad my grandad passed on that ethos rather than the latter.
Blr243 wrote:Big rich , the muscle wallabies , are u seeing small wallaroo s ?
Larry wrote:Well if you are going to be legal and get a permit to cull indigenous species you will be sent the code and all the conditions. I think the fact you wanted to be legal in the first place would mean you are likely to read it.
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The real question is how many people actually abide by the code and if they agree with it or not is more shown through their actions.
Personally at 200yrds depending on the need if I was using a 308 then with an appropriate bullet then a chest shot may be acceptable in my book, Not on moving target however still a well placed shot.
Die Judicii wrote:Besides,,, for anyone out there popping roos that don't have accreditation and licenses,,, apart from massive fines if caught,,,,,,,,, the
crown can actually make the necessary moves and confiscate your property as a whole.
Die Judicii wrote:Larry wrote:Well if you are going to be legal and get a permit to cull indigenous species you will be sent the code and all the conditions. I think the fact you wanted to be legal in the first place would mean you are likely to read it.
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The real question is how many people actually abide by the code and if they agree with it or not is more shown through their actions.
Personally at 200yrds depending on the need if I was using a 308 then with an appropriate bullet then a chest shot may be acceptable in my book, Not on moving target however still a well placed shot.
Maybe in your book.
I'm only guessing here,,,,, but I think it is HEAD SHOTS only when it comes to roo shooting for the boxes.
Even on our own property I don't shoot them, and instead have a pro roo shooter come in on a regular basis.
And his are always head shot.
Besides,,, for anyone out there popping roos that don't have accreditation and licenses,,, apart from massive fines if caught,,,,,,,,, the
crown can actually make the necessary moves and confiscate your property as a whole.
Larry wrote:animalpest wrote:pomemax - from either point of view. Other than the kangaroo CoP's (there are two), there is no distinction made in the Codes and SoP's between commercial/recreational shooters.
From my understanding there is no recreational shooting of Kangaroos allowed at all. The only loop hole would be a shooter acting with permission of a person with a Permit to Cull. They must carry a copy of the permit with them at all times while engaged in the activity and also have written consent with them from the permit holder.
on_one_wheel wrote:Die Judicii wrote:Larry wrote:Well if you are going to be legal and get a permit to cull indigenous species you will be sent the code and all the conditions. I think the fact you wanted to be legal in the first place would mean you are likely to read it.
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The real question is how many people actually abide by the code and if they agree with it or not is more shown through their actions.
Personally at 200yrds depending on the need if I was using a 308 then with an appropriate bullet then a chest shot may be acceptable in my book, Not on moving target however still a well placed shot.
Maybe in your book.
I'm only guessing here,,,,, but I think it is HEAD SHOTS only when it comes to roo shooting for the boxes.
Even on our own property I don't shoot them, and instead have a pro roo shooter come in on a regular basis.
And his are always head shot.
Besides,,, for anyone out there popping roos that don't have accreditation and licenses,,, apart from massive fines if caught,,,,,,,,, the
crown can actually make the necessary moves and confiscate your property as a whole.
Its been a while since I read the code but my understanding is it's head shots only regardless of what your destroying them for, both consumption and pest control. In fact they even specify what part of the brain to aim for.
RUGGA wrote:Ive read the SOPs and even added one as a permit condition for some jobs i've had. I would hate to see any creep into law. There are so many variables to achieving a safe and humane kill that being prescribed a particular combination could lead to less than optimal results.