How did you justify that first shot?

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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by Westy » 18 Nov 2014, 8:34 pm

bigfellascott wrote:I never felt the need to justify shooting animals - I like hunting them and killing them is part of the whole process, to me its like driving a car, it's just another part of my life.

Remind me not to piss you off and then :lol: :D :lol: get in a car with you!!!!!
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by bigfellascott » 18 Nov 2014, 8:46 pm

Westy wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:I never felt the need to justify shooting animals - I like hunting them and killing them is part of the whole process, to me its like driving a car, it's just another part of my life.

Remind me not to piss you off and then :lol: :D :lol: get in a car with you!!!!!


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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by jennageit » 18 Nov 2014, 9:15 pm

Thanks for the info guys, it's great to hear different perspectives.

You're right, if I hadn't eaten for a while, I'd shoot whatever I could scope in, in order to survive.

I'm in no way a greenie. In saying that, I don't like the mindless destruction of the environment that used to go on years ago, but at the same time, I don't like the destruction that the wild boars and things seem to do. Only seen them on television, so don't know first hand how bad it is.

I'm not saying I'll never shoot anything larger than a fox, but you never know I guess. The world is full of surprises, and if it came down to the animal or me, I choose me!

As for koala's, they may look cute, but they are the most ridiculous animal on the earth as far as I'm concerned. They only eat specific types of leaves, which leads them to have lots of health problems. To deal with the toxins, they sleep 20 hours a day, and they are worse stoners than a lot of the kids getting around these days, and sometimes just as dangerous. Almost hit one that was walking down the middle of the bloody road. I was doing 105kph, it was early morning and this stoner was just wandering along! Not sure how the old Volvo would have handled hitting that, but I wasn't going to swerve into oncoming traffic to save the damn thing.

Out of necessity, or the greater good, I guess I'd shoot something bigger than a fox. I'm not a trophy kinda person, prefer to see the animal in their natural environment, but only if that's truly where they belong.

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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by wrenchman » 19 Nov 2014, 7:25 am

i started on squirrels its what most kids started when i was a kid
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by Jack V » 19 Nov 2014, 11:55 am

jennageit wrote:Thanks for the info guys, it's great to hear different perspectives.

You're right, if I hadn't eaten for a while, I'd shoot whatever I could scope in, in order to survive.

I'm in no way a greenie. In saying that, I don't like the mindless destruction of the environment that used to go on years ago, but at the same time, I don't like the destruction that the wild boars and things seem to do. Only seen them on television, so don't know first hand how bad it is.

I'm not saying I'll never shoot anything larger than a fox, but you never know I guess. The world is full of surprises, and if it came down to the animal or me, I choose me!

As for koala's, they may look cute, but they are the most ridiculous animal on the earth as far as I'm concerned. They only eat specific types of leaves, which leads them to have lots of health problems. To deal with the toxins, they sleep 20 hours a day, and they are worse stoners than a lot of the kids getting around these days, and sometimes just as dangerous. Almost hit one that was walking down the middle of the bloody road. I was doing 105kph, it was early morning and this stoner was just wandering along! Not sure how the old Volvo would have handled hitting that, but I wasn't going to swerve into oncoming traffic to save the damn thing.

Out of necessity, or the greater good, I guess I'd shoot something bigger than a fox. I'm not a trophy kinda person, prefer to see the animal in their natural environment, but only if that's truly where they belong.

Take care guys,

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I was not saying you were a greenie . Tell you a story about my youth. After we came down from the bush to the city to find work my Dad bought me an air rifle which I put to good use shooting water rats and cashing the tails in for sixpence at the local council . Now one day one of the local Mothers bailed up my Mother and said , "what is wrong with that kid of yours every time I see him he is carrying a slug gun " My Mother said well he is hunting water rats for sixpence each and doing quite well . What is your child doing ,well I will tell you because I saw him yesterday up the shops smoking and being a nuisance to the shop owners probably shop lifting also. My child is engaged in a healthy sport your child is a delinquent . Well all hell broke loose and my Mother belted her right in the mouth . You did not f*ck with my mother she was as strong as most men and could work like a brickies labourer. I met that kid at a reunion about 30 years later and he was a worn out old alcoholic . The moral here is that there is no harm in hunting and it is way better for a kid to do that than ,drink booze or use drugs and get in with the wrong crowd . I'm glad I grew up to the age of 8 in the bush and not the city . I started hunting rabbits with my Dads triangular sword blades as spears at about 6 and we ate the rabbits . My father was a Master swords man back in England but WW2 sent him broke . There is a perverted notion in society now that if a young person goes hunting they will turn out bad . It's utter nonsense put out by the anti gun anti hunting crowd . I went back to the bush in my later days but could not make enough money without my own land so after I got married decided to go back to the city . I hate the city every single day but I'm stuck now.
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by FuzzyM » 19 Nov 2014, 6:46 pm

I actually felt a bit bad after I pulled the trigger on the first rabbit I took down.
Then I remembered it is a damn pest.
Then I felt happy, after all the time it took getting my licence and firearms, I was finally doing what I set out to do!
Then shot another one :)

Nearly got my first fox last week, no problem taking those down. They really are a blight on our native wildlife and Pa's chickens! :lol:

I am not currently licensed to hunt deer, although I go out with mates who are hunting deer themselves, I don't know how I would go field dressing a big twitching carcass.
I will probably get over it. Deer hunting is very exciting!
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by Bennybigbores » 19 Nov 2014, 8:11 pm

I only became conflicted after 10 odd years of hunting and vermin control, was raised hunting, killing, trapping, skinning, butchering, so I never had to make a decision it was just the done thing like tying your shoes, wasn't untill helping friend (pro roo culler) in a week culled uncountable Roos and the guilts hit me pretty hard, backed away from hunting for six months or so, but that was 10 years ago, I no longer hunt for the pure satisfaction, simply control pests, take meat, and a rare trophy it it stands out above previous ones. Except for foxes, warms my heart to see one explode on a weekly basis
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by Westy » 19 Nov 2014, 8:39 pm

Bennybigbores wrote:Except for foxes, warms my heart to see one explode on a weekly basis


s**t your funny!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by North East » 19 Nov 2014, 9:38 pm

FuzzyM wrote:I am not currently licensed to hunt deer, although I go out with mates who are hunting deer themselves, I don't know how I would go field dressing a big twitching carcass.


If it's twitching and still alive just put another bullet into it up close. Be careful about approaching a large 1/2 dead deer. .30 cal at least preferably.
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by sbd3927 » 19 Nov 2014, 10:54 pm

I shot rabbits as a kid, tanned the skins, meat was mostly pet food.
Only had a chance for a couple of foxes, nowhere near enough for all the lost poultry.
30 years later, still no other game taken, but I've learnt how to farm butcher sheep & cattle in recent years, and I'd like to go goat/deer hunting at some point.
Talk to an orchard or vineyard owner, deer are as much a pest as goats, pigs etc and cause a lot of damage.

Pest control is one part of the equation, but by utilising the meat I think it proves you aren't a hypocrite (ie. eats meat but thinks animals shouldn't be shot OR likes eating meat but doesn't want to get their hands dirty butchering)

For anything larger than rabbits, you'd want someone to show you the ropes on how to handle the butchering. That should help sort out your feelings, they'll probably be "Delicious and I caught this! "
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by VICHunter » 20 Nov 2014, 9:04 am

jennageit wrote:Out of necessity, or the greater good, I guess I'd shoot something bigger than a fox. I'm not a trophy kinda person, prefer to see the animal in their natural environment, but only if that's truly where they belong.


Well good news for you then!

Deer trophies come with a lot of dinner attached :lol:

Can't argue with a need to eat.
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by creet » 20 Nov 2014, 9:05 am

VICHunter wrote:Can't argue with a need to eat.


You obviously don't watch much politics :|
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by Jack V » 20 Nov 2014, 12:20 pm

Bennybigbores wrote:I only became conflicted after 10 odd years of hunting and vermin control, was raised hunting, killing, trapping, skinning, butchering, so I never had to make a decision it was just the done thing like tying your shoes, wasn't untill helping friend (pro roo culler) in a week culled uncountable Roos and the guilts hit me pretty hard, backed away from hunting for six months or so, but that was 10 years ago, I no longer hunt for the pure satisfaction, simply control pests, take meat, and a rare trophy it it stands out above previous ones. Except for foxes, warms my heart to see one explode on a weekly basis

I understand your feelings on that . I have been there also. The numbers involved in Pro Shooting can seem be a bit over powering . However if they did not cull those Roos like that we would be over run with them because of the vast availability of water now . In the early days roos could not survive away from natural water bodies but now with dams ,tanks , irrigation and crops they spread like wild fire . Something very unusual , unexplainable happed to me one time when I was culling roos in a fenced in corner concerning a single kangaroos behaviour . I can't say what it was because no one will ever believe it but it shook my resolve somewhat , it was not an attack of any kind quiet the reverse . Later on I shook it off and went back to pest shooting with no problems but it still remains an unexplained and scientifically bizarre happening . I have never told anyone ever what happened and I never will.
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by tom604 » 20 Nov 2014, 2:48 pm

hey,, we all know "what happens at band camp" stays at band camp :P and remember as long as you shot it ,its all good,dead roos tell no tales ;)
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by sha » 20 Nov 2014, 3:07 pm

Kangaroo LOVE! :lol:
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by Jack V » 20 Nov 2014, 7:08 pm

I'm not telling no matter what .
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by Chronos » 20 Nov 2014, 7:28 pm

tom604 wrote:hey,, we all know "what happens at band camp" stays at band camp :P and remember as long as you shot it ,its all good,dead roos tell no tales ;)



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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by tom604 » 20 Nov 2014, 8:19 pm

As long as he never tells :lol:

Hasta la vista baby :lol:
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by chacka » 21 Nov 2014, 10:54 am

Aw c'mon! Want to see the Roboroo movie :lol:
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by brett1868 » 21 Nov 2014, 1:07 pm

I don't deliberatley go out to kill things but if they jump in front of a moving projectile then so be it. Nowadays I like to give the giant bunnies a small chance of avoiding the projectiles, I call this "flight time" or the time it takes from when I pull the trigger till it intersects with their location in time and space. It's not my fault they failed to get outta the way of my projectile and stuff them for ruining my chances of missing.
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by RealNick » 21 Nov 2014, 2:54 pm

I just like to shoot patches of dirt.

God damn rabbits always wreck it for me and stand in the way.
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by Jack V » 21 Nov 2014, 2:56 pm

RealNick wrote:I just like to shoot patches of dirt.

God damn rabbits always wreck it for me and stand in the way.

Sounds like " Canyon Shooting " with rabbits running interference .
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by T_M » 21 Nov 2014, 5:16 pm

The sight of lamb corpses made it pretty easy to justify shooting foxes...
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by jennageit » 22 Nov 2014, 9:50 am

T_M wrote:The sight of lamb corpses made it pretty easy to justify shooting foxes...


T_M - a couple of years ago we had 14 lambs born within a week of each other. When I went to lock them (and the ewes) up in the barn for the night (our only defence at the time against the foxes), I found the body of a lamb. Unfortunately I had to go and check every other lamb to establish which one it was. We had black headed dorpers and the ram that was used (not ours) over the ewes didn't have a strong black influence, so his lambs were all born mismarked. That's how I figured out who it was that the foxes had killed.
They hadn't touched the body, but had taken the head and neck.
I locked the rest of the ewes and lambs up, went up to get a bag for the body and by the time I came back, it was gone.
Damn foxes.

I wouldn't have a problem shooting foxes. I've seen the damage they've done to my ewes and lambs (especially ewes that have been attacked whilst lambing) and yeah, I know, they gotta eat to live, but it was horrible.
I watched two foxes frollicking in one of my paddocks at sunrise this morning!

To all those guys that seem to find every bunny in Australia with a death wish by refusing to move out of the way of your projectiles, well, that's their fault, isn't it! I mean, you gave them fair warning from the 'bang', it's not your fault if they didn't heed this warning! :lol:

Just throwing another question out there for ya.

Do you believe that we'll ever see the end of foxes? or rabbits?

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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by on_one_wheel » 22 Nov 2014, 2:58 pm

Not in my lifetime... The last two months here at home I have shot more rabbits and foxes than any other year in the last 10 years.

Last week I went for a drive from one end to the other of a 3000 acre paddok, seen 6 foxes without calling, shot 3 of them, and nailed 50 or so rabbits, could have driven back and forth along that paddock and shot 50 again and again each time.
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by hoogle » 23 Nov 2014, 9:44 am

Jack V wrote:Sounds like " Canyon Shooting " with rabbits running interference .


Those damn canyon rights activists getting in the way :lol:
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by Point223 » 27 Nov 2014, 3:09 pm

My first time shooting an animal was when I shot a bird ... with a Y shaped sling shot and a little fifty cent sized pebble as a projectile.. My first assault weapon ever!

I felt intense curiosity looking at this bloodied sparrow writhing in the mud underneath an olive tree - This feeling was mixed with an elated and elevated - on steroid sense of accomplishment... and then i puked.

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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by Westy » 28 Nov 2014, 7:34 am

With a simple Ohhh yer that's what I'm talking about
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Re: How did you justify that first shot?

Post by oowess » 28 Nov 2014, 3:03 pm

I yelled "It's coming right for us!" and then I fired :lol:

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