Wild dogs worries

Varminting and vertebrate pest control. Small game, hunting feral goats, foxes, dogs, cats, rabbits etc.

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Gwion » 21 Jan 2015, 9:58 am

Lorgar, i agree entirely. The dogs don't try to bite people but some how the hand gets in side the wrong bit of the mouth and things get chomped.

A mate lost a finger when we were teenagers because he couldn't get his dog (German Shepard) off a little agro yapper. He tried to separate the dogs jaws and snappo. Minus one finger. The vet told him (or his folks who took him to hospital and little yapper to the vet) that best option is keep hands away from dogs mouths when fired up, grab the back leg and drive your finger in between the pads of the paw.

Now, obviously this wont work if two dogs of equal size are going at each other and the other owner a/ isn't there or b/ is standing back freaked out or enjoying the show. In this situation i would be booting the other dog as hard as i can (which is pretty hard) in the guts/ribs and grabbing my dog by the collar while there's a break in all the snapping around the head/neck area.

I've had smaller dogs that have been rushed by larger dogs (and pairs of larger dogs) while running off lead. I just ran full bore at the action yelling like a maniac/crazy dog myself and prepared to kick the crap out of the dogs and they have buggered off before i even get there, leaving my dog/s whimpering around my feet and me abusing the owner standing 50m away.


Just one approach.

Cheers.

PS> NOT suggesting that anyone else try that, just what i'd do. I'm stupid that way!
User avatar
Gwion
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 3978
-

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Aussier » 22 Jan 2015, 10:40 am

Warrigul wrote:often the bigger rotties etc just look scary as they trot up, often they mean no harm and are just saying gidday


Well trained and socialised ones are big sooks often as not.

They trot off around you because they're cautious of you! :lol:
User avatar
Aussier
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 232
Australian Capital Territory

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by squirrelhunter » 22 Jan 2015, 10:59 am

Gwion wrote:The vet told him (or his folks who took him to hospital and little yapper to the vet) that best option is keep hands away from dogs mouths when fired up, grab the back leg and drive your finger in between the pads of the paw.


Gotta say.... Sounds like something from a vet who's never broken up a dog fight :lol:

I'm picturing trying to hold the foot of a fighting dog still enough to stick a finger inbetween its toes. It's not going well :lol:

It's hard enough to the collar sometimes when it's on.
Ruger Gunsite Scout in .308
Bushnell 3-9x 40mm - Multi-X
User avatar
squirrelhunter
Private
Private
 
Posts: 88
New South Wales

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by KWhorenet » 22 Jan 2015, 12:46 pm

I was going to add my own experiences with walking my 50kg male happy overly social Rottie where fcuktards freak out and kick at him or almost cause a heated biffo just because he sniffed their obese lab or looked at their yappy aggressive shytzensnapper on many multiple occasions :crazy: , but I remembered this gem :D

"Owner stops vicious dog attack with Hopoate-style manoeuvre"

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... 9f43437979
User avatar
KWhorenet
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 679
-

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Gwion » 22 Jan 2015, 1:01 pm

squirrelhunter wrote:
Gwion wrote:The vet told him (or his folks who took him to hospital and little yapper to the vet) that best option is keep hands away from dogs mouths when fired up, grab the back leg and drive your finger in between the pads of the paw.


Gotta say.... Sounds like something from a vet who's never broken up a dog fight :lol:

I'm picturing trying to hold the foot of a fighting dog still enough to stick a finger inbetween its toes. It's not going well :lol:

It's hard enough to the collar sometimes when it's on.



Totally agree. This wasn't a "dog fight" it was one big dog (my friend's) with a hold of one small dog. Make it let go with out putting your hand in or near it's mouth. I can see it working in this case (never known a dog to ignor you pulling on it's back leg) but not in a "fight". Probably wouldn't do it to a dog that wasn't mine, either, may end up with it latched onto your arm!
Last edited by Gwion on 22 Jan 2015, 1:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Gwion
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 3978
-

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Gwion » 22 Jan 2015, 1:03 pm

Anyway. This is all WAY off topic to Headspace's good work controlling feral dogs in his lacal area, so.... Ciao.

Keep up the good effort, JD.
User avatar
Gwion
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 3978
-

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Norton » 23 Jan 2015, 11:58 am

I had read that you are supposed to pick up the dog’s tail and put a lighter up its behind


God, the f***ing stupid advice people give who OBVIOUSLY have no idea what they're talking about and are making s**t up, talking out of their ass

You couldn't pull that off in a thousand attempts trying to break up a pair of dogs.

(And back on topic good work JD :lol:)
CZ 550 American Safari Magnum in .416 Rigby

Other puny calibre rifles... What man would want you now?
User avatar
Norton
Staff Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
 
Posts: 838
Queensland

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Jack V » 23 Jan 2015, 4:38 pm

headspace wrote:I've never owned a dog that bit a human, I've had a few that bit other dogs, but that happens. Dog bits human, human shoots dog, the end. There was a pack of wild dogs not far from my place led by something that looked like a Ridgeback. You don't want it climbing over you. Some pigs hunters have lost dogs and guess what they become. No one should have a hunting dog without a homing collar, or whatever you call them. I'm now the local dogger for my little valley.
JD

Tracker collars are good but there are also ways to find your dogs or assist your dog to find you , old bushies tricks that most people don't know.
The first basic mistake they make is they think there dog is totally lost after about 4 to 12 hours . Not correct it can take a dog several days to back track it's own scent even over a few ks if the path is complicated . Most dog owners who lost their dogs don't realise that the dog probably came back to the last spot it saw you many hours after you left ! . Dogs don't get lost people loose dogs . There is a difference . First thing is camp on the spot where you lost the dog for at least 4 days build a fire . Most dogs will be back in a few hours to next day but some can go a bit crazy and take much longer as well as rain can hamper the situation .
It is always advisable to have a signal of some kind that the dog recognises to guide them in use it every 5 minutes or so , in case scent is gone . Also you can lay scent trails using the dogs food over a wide area all leading back to camp . If the dog don't come back in a reasonable time then lay your coat or shirt with your scent on the spot and put down some water and food . Come back every morning , midday and evening and in many cases the dog is lying on you coat . There's quite a few more tricks but that's enough for now.
Jack V
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 693
New South Wales

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by RoginaJack » 23 Jan 2015, 5:25 pm

Yeah, Jack V, know what you mean.
We "misplaced' a dog while mustering out back of Walgett some years back. So we lit a fire, boiled the billy and camped there for a few hours but "Fido" (my dad called all me dogs Fido) didn't turn up.
We broke camp and I left my work shirt hanging on a corner fence post and continued on down the Bre road with the rest of the mob..
I came back a couple of days later and low n behold, there was Fido sitting near the shirt with a look on his face as if to say"Well, where the bloody hell have you been?".
He had penned up in the corner of the fence 5 sheep, 6 pigs and 2 stray stock horses that a couple of drovers had lost a few months ago AND even had time to keep the fire going and had the billy just coming to the boil.
Yep, Fido was a bloody good dog, alright.
Cheers.
Boom, Boom! Tikka, Tikka, Boom! Shoot first, video later.
User avatar
RoginaJack
Warrant Officer C1
Warrant Officer C1
 
Posts: 1410
Queensland

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Jack V » 23 Jan 2015, 6:53 pm

Might have believed you except for the 6 pigs, stock horses and boiling the billy . :lol:
Jack V
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 693
New South Wales

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by headspace » 23 Jan 2015, 9:03 pm

Hey Rogina, He could count too that little bloke. I suppose he kept the fire going by getting all the sticks back you'd thrown to him over the years.
JD
If it's not wood and blued steel, it's not one of mine
headspace
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 738
New South Wales

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by RoginaJack » 23 Jan 2015, 9:05 pm

Jack V wrote:Might have believed you except for the 6 pigs, stock horses and boiling the billy . :lol:


Yeah, i was a bit disappointed that there was only 6 pigs 'cause there are a lot of feral pigs out there! :mrgreen:
Last edited by RoginaJack on 23 Jan 2015, 9:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Boom, Boom! Tikka, Tikka, Boom! Shoot first, video later.
User avatar
RoginaJack
Warrant Officer C1
Warrant Officer C1
 
Posts: 1410
Queensland

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by RoginaJack » 23 Jan 2015, 9:09 pm

headspace wrote:Hey Rogina, He could count too that little bloke. I suppose he kept the fire going by getting all the sticks back you'd thrown to him over the years.
JD


:lol: yep true, too true. :clap:
Boom, Boom! Tikka, Tikka, Boom! Shoot first, video later.
User avatar
RoginaJack
Warrant Officer C1
Warrant Officer C1
 
Posts: 1410
Queensland

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Jack V » 24 Jan 2015, 8:37 am

My wife had a cousin "Poddy" he worked in the bush , he had a Cooley cross dog called "Smokey" . Anyway it went missing at the sales yard . He reckoned someone pinched it . Well some years later he was driving a tractor ploughing on a different property to the one he was on when he lost the dog and low and behold this dog comes working along the paddock to his truck and jumps up in the back. It's a long way off and he can't see the dog well so he drives over and it's his old dog Smokey !
He can't believe his eyes . It had found him on another place after all this time . The dog is in very poor condition but it lived . I have seen the dog myself and it was a super intelligent dog .
Jack V
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 693
New South Wales

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Pom » 25 Jan 2015, 7:04 pm

Jack V wrote:Might have believed you except for the 6 pigs, stock horses and boiling the billy . :lol:


You mean your dog doesn't put on the kettle for you when you get home?

That's strange.
Remington 700 VTR in .308 WIn
Winchester Model 1873 in .44-40
Sako A7 in 243 Win
User avatar
Pom
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 122
Queensland

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Jack V » 26 Jan 2015, 6:04 pm

Pom wrote:
Jack V wrote:Might have believed you except for the 6 pigs, stock horses and boiling the billy . :lol:


You mean your dog doesn't put on the kettle for you when you get home?

That's strange.

No but he does clean my rifles and reload the ammo so I reckon I should not over work him.
Jack V
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 693
New South Wales

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Lorgar » 27 Jan 2015, 3:23 pm

Mine "helps" pack up the tent.

Lays on everything to push the air out :problem:
User avatar
Lorgar
Second Lieutenant
Second Lieutenant
 
Posts: 2156
Victoria

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by RoginaJack » 28 Jan 2015, 11:11 am

Yeah, mine waters the olive trees and helps dog up the spuds, even when they're not ready!
Boom, Boom! Tikka, Tikka, Boom! Shoot first, video later.
User avatar
RoginaJack
Warrant Officer C1
Warrant Officer C1
 
Posts: 1410
Queensland

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Jack V » 28 Jan 2015, 1:51 pm

"dog up the spuds " is that like a spud lugging dog or does it round up the spuds . Does the dog have good eye on a spud or does he heel a spud.
Jack V
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 693
New South Wales

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by RoginaJack » 28 Jan 2015, 5:10 pm

:mrgreen: Yeah , He's got quiet a commanding bark! :D
Boom, Boom! Tikka, Tikka, Boom! Shoot first, video later.
User avatar
RoginaJack
Warrant Officer C1
Warrant Officer C1
 
Posts: 1410
Queensland

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Jack V » 28 Jan 2015, 5:31 pm

So he's a spud , "backer and barker then " very interesting . :lol: You know almost no one else has a clue what we are talking about .
Jack V
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 693
New South Wales

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by tactice » 28 Jan 2015, 6:20 pm

I'm lost. Not up on my potato herding vocabulary :lol:
Remington 700 VTR .22-250 Rem
Remington 700 VTR .308 Win
User avatar
tactice
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 140
Queensland

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Warrigul » 28 Jan 2015, 6:30 pm

tactice wrote:I'm lost. Not up on my potato herding vocabulary :lol:


Up over the back of sheep and move them by barking. Many different styles and breeds some are silent some aren't.

I can watch working dogs for hours but our family hasn't had them since the farm was sold when I was 16, I am no expert.

Working dogs are worthy of a topic all by itself.
Warrigul
Warrant Officer C2
Warrant Officer C2
 
Posts: 1103
-

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by tactice » 29 Jan 2015, 2:52 pm

Warrigul wrote:Working dogs are worthy of a topic all by itself.


It's interesting to watch :thumbsup:

I'll read it if someone writes it :lol:
Remington 700 VTR .22-250 Rem
Remington 700 VTR .308 Win
User avatar
tactice
Lance Corporal
Lance Corporal
 
Posts: 140
Queensland

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by RoginaJack » 29 Jan 2015, 5:49 pm

Jack V wrote:So he's a spud , "backer and barker then " very interesting . :lol: You know almost no one else has a clue what we are talking about .


LOL, Yes sad but true, :friends:

Our Fido was certainly different - he would just sit in the shade & watch us, me n me brother work for hours trying to get the Merinos up the race and into the truck. Finally, out from the shade, up and do the "backer n barking" trick & get the stubborn ewe moving into the truck, followed by the rest & back to the shade. Job done! :D
Boom, Boom! Tikka, Tikka, Boom! Shoot first, video later.
User avatar
RoginaJack
Warrant Officer C1
Warrant Officer C1
 
Posts: 1410
Queensland

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Jack V » 29 Jan 2015, 6:03 pm

Yeah I have seen some smart ones . And it's funny how some are great in the paddock but useless in the yards and visa versa . A place where I worked had this kelpie called "Ginger " . When we took the station dogs pig hunting he would fall back behind us a bit at a time , then when he thought no one was looking go like the blazes all the way back to the station house . He hated chasing pigs but would pretend he was all keen infront of everyone . He was a sneaky bugger . It was just as well as he was a great sheep dog and chasing pigs is dangerous anyway .
Jack V
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 693
New South Wales

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by headspace » 30 Jan 2015, 8:33 pm

I've had some great dogs over the years, and have a couple buried down in the paddock. But no more. Bloody things get into your head.

By the way my method of breaking up a dog fight was to kick the aggressor in the throat. Can't breathe can't bite is the theory. It worked the couple of times I had to use it because one of my dogs would run 300 yards to start a fight, and usually win. he was really good apart from that, no social skills at all.

By the way if the RSPCA is reading this kicking a dog in the throat is way better than having the throat ripped open. I never took any of my dogs on another blokes property unless I cleared it with him. Just manners I guess.

JD
If it's not wood and blued steel, it's not one of mine
headspace
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 738
New South Wales

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by Jack V » 31 Jan 2015, 11:03 am

I know what you mean you get to a point that you don't want anymore hunting dogs . I am not fit enough anymore to really keep up with the dogs on foot especially in rough country so I just don't have dogs anymore . I had a few over the years that you had to belt off with a short length of poly pipe to make them let go.

Dogging is a young mans sport however it is still the old hands that have the most dog handling knowledge.

Good manners is the corner stone of society. Unfortunately the wall it pins is crumbling away.
Jack V
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 693
New South Wales

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by scrolllock » 02 Feb 2015, 8:28 am

headspace wrote:By the way if the RSPCA is reading this kicking a dog in the throat is way better than having the throat ripped open. I never took any of my dogs on another blokes property unless I cleared it with him. Just manners I guess.


They'd probably want to 'save' the dog from you now.... So they can put it down next week :roll:
User avatar
scrolllock
Corporal
Corporal
 
Posts: 252
Victoria

Re: Wild dogs worries

Post by headspace » 03 Feb 2015, 2:22 pm

We keep coming foul of the PC brigade don't we.
If it's not wood and blued steel, it's not one of mine
headspace
Sergeant
Sergeant
 
Posts: 738
New South Wales

PreviousNext

Back to top
 
Return to Hunting - Varminting and vertebrate pest control