Ammunition storage

[Bottleshock]

So here’s a mind game question which I’m sure the lawyers will love.

NSW legislation states that ammunition must be stored in a locked container seperate from firearms. Although that locked container can be situated within the safe containing the firearms.

Fair enough.

My question is, if you have a safe containing, let’s say only 12g shotguns, can you store 9mm ammo in it as well?

Putting it simply, can you store ammo in the same safe as firearms that are completely incapable of using it?

[straightshooter]

Doesn't need a lawyer just needs common sense.
What exact words does the legislation or regulation use? That's what constable plod will use against you when charging you with an offence.
FAFO

[womble]

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/131154/Ammunition_Safe_Storage_Fact_Sheet.pdf

There’s nothing to sub categorise ammunition. Ammunition falls under the definition of ammunition.

So yes you could.

As I interpret it anyway.

[No1Mk3]

Only if you also own a 9mm calbre firearm or a Permit permitting ownership of that calibre and the ammo is in a "seperate locked container" as per the Act. You may not have loose ammo of any calibre in with firearms of any type at all.

[Wapiti]

I've got no idea why this is a mind game at all.

It's no wonder some people struggle to be successful in life.

[womble]

Only if you also own a 9mm calbre firearm or a Permit permitting ownership of that calibre and the ammo is in a "seperate locked container" as per the Act. You may not have loose ammo of any calibre in with firearms of any type at all.

I believe him

[bladeracer]

So here’s a mind game question which I’m sure the lawyers will love.

NSW legislation states that ammunition must be stored in a locked container seperate from firearms. Although that locked container can be situated within the safe containing the firearms.

Fair enough.

My question is, if you have a safe containing, let’s say only 12g shotguns, can you store 9mm ammo in it as well?

Putting it simply, can you store ammo in the same safe as firearms that are completely incapable of using it?

You cannot store _ammunition_ with a firearm, any ammunition.

[Bottleshock]

I've got no idea why this is a mind game at all.

It's no wonder some people struggle to be successful in life.

Bit school yard bitchy but okay. If you really are a WO2 then you should know better, or at least have an enquiring mind.

According to the NSW legislation I have to have to my Cat H firearms stored in a 6mm steel safe but can keep my ammunition in a sturdy plastic box with a $10 padlock sitting on top of it.

My question was why can't I keep the ammunition in the other steel safe next to t it? If someone breaks into the 12g safe they have guns and no usable ammunition.

Putting that aside, can I store my 9mm ammo in magazines in a separate safe? Or what about speed loaders for a revolver? Stripper clips for my milsurps? Why can I leave primed brass lying around willy nilly until either a projectile or powder is put in it? What is a "projectile"? If I take one of my primed case and press in into my lawn and fill it with dirt is it now ammunition?

Say you're a shot shell reloader and also have a .177 air pistol you have to lock up any pellets just the same as your other ammunition but you can have as many .177 "BB's" as you like sitting on your desk.

Just stimulating conversation

[womble]

So here’s a mind game question which I’m sure the lawyers will love.

NSW legislation states that ammunition must be stored in a locked container seperate from firearms. Although that locked container can be situated within the safe containing the firearms.

Fair enough.

My question is, if you have a safe containing, let’s say only 12g shotguns, can you store 9mm ammo in it as well?

Putting it simply, can you store ammo in the same safe as firearms that are completely incapable of using it?

You cannot store _ammunition_ with a firearm, any ammunition.

Separate locked compartment in the safe. Some safes have that.
Not wise either way.

[womble]

Pretty sure you can’t store ammunition in magazines. That would be considered a loaded firearm.

I know that sounds weird but i believe that’s the case

[Wapiti]

Pretty sure you can’t store ammunition in magazines. That would be considered a loaded firearm.

I know that sounds weird but i believe that’s the case

Yes, that is something that we hear often.
But the truth? Myth? Can anybody put up any info they have to prove this, from any state? Gold Star for the person who finds proof.

[Bugman]

For me, simplicity and common sense go hand in hand. I just store my firearms in the correct type of safe for each type (rifle, handgun etc) AND store my ammunition for whatever type of firearm in a separate steel, lockable cupboard. Have done this for years with no problem. According to the plod who did my last safe inspection(s), you cannot store ammunition in loaded magazines for the same reason you can't convey them loaded to and from your legitimate shooting destination. (the plods words, not mine.) To date, I have stuck by that advice.

[bladeracer]

Pretty sure you can’t store ammunition in magazines. That would be considered a loaded firearm.

I know that sounds weird but i believe that’s the case

So somebody that has a magazine in their car with a round in it, but no firearm, has a loaded firearm in their possession? That sounds ludicrous to me.

[bladeracer]

Separate locked compartment in the safe. Some safes have that.
Not wise either way.

Yes, in Vic they do allow us to store ammo within a firearm safe provided it requires a separate key to access the ammo. I strongly suggest not storing ammo in your safe at all, lock it up elsewhere.

[womble]

Pretty sure you can’t store ammunition in magazines. That would be considered a loaded firearm.

I know that sounds weird but i believe that’s the case

So somebody that has a magazine in their car with a round in it, but no firearm, has a loaded firearm in their possession? That sounds ludicrous to me.

i don’t make the rules

[Die Judicii]

Pretty sure you can’t store ammunition in magazines. That would be considered a loaded firearm.

I know that sounds weird but i believe that’s the case

It is written in QLD legislation that you cannot store the "bolt" in the ammunition compartment of the safe due to the fact that the bolt on it's own is classified as a "firearm". And as such illegal to store a firearm with the ammunition.
However,,, the same legislation states that the bolt must be removed from the firearm itself,,,,, but is ok to be alongside or in the same compartment as the firearm.
But not with the ammunition.

I don't recall seeing anything about ammo being stored in a magazine being legal or otherwise (presuming it not to be in the firearm.

Them Thar peoples that write the laws are strange animals.

[womble]

Yep. Sometimes I’m convinced they used the work experience kid to write the legislation.

Hypothetically sometimes the bolt travels with me in the ammo box. Disclaimer this has never happened.

Of course I always keep the bolt secured up my ass until I am in the field and ready to load the rifle. As is prudent.

[Wapiti]

I'm going to have to look this ammo-in-magazines thing up.
I'm certain it's a myth... But then again...

We were given a fact sheet from the local coppers recently because they had a "blitz" on farmers who they insinuate are always leaving guns out, and with the scum driving about looking for stuff to steal, this was leading to a few stolen firearms incidents. Bad JU-JU and gives coppers work so the have to spend less time sitting in speed camera cars, collecting revenue for the government to waste.

DJ is spot-on, the actual wording says that as the bolt is a part of the individual firearm it can be stored with the "weapon", however ammunition must be locked in a separate "receptacle" separate from the firearm.
If the bolt cannot be easily removed without major disassembly, the firearm can be stored with the action open.
Example: Lever and pump guns open, break actions broken, manual bolt guns - bolts out of firearm.

But nowhere on that fact sheet did it mention keeping magazines loaded and storing them as such as being unlawful.