Pinned magazines

[kabab42]

It’s often said online that NSW does not allow pinned/restricted magazines such as pmags that are pinned from 30 to 10 rounds, however I have not been able to find any mention of this in legislation. Most retailers in other states that sell these magazines state that they are not able to be sold to NSW customers.

Also, magpul does actually manufacture ‘long 10 round’ magazines that are 10 rounds with the appearance of the 30 round mags, ( https://magpul.com/pmag-10-30-ar-m4-gen ... _color=118 )these would surely be legal, as it would be impossible to extend their capacity, are they available in Australia? I haven’t been able to find them for sale.

Is anyone actually able to find in legislation where in fact it states that pinned/restricted magazines are illegal? And are they illegal to possess or just illegal to fit to a firearm?

[deye243]

Got me buggered why you would want a long mag just a PITA unless you want mall nija wank factor

[kabab42]

They look cool

[No1_49er]

They look cool

Are you being serious, or taking the piss?
Mall ninja is about right. The type of thing that gives us "appearance law". No thanks.

[bladeracer]

It’s often said online that NSW does not allow pinned/restricted magazines such as pmags that are pinned from 30 to 10 rounds, however I have not been able to find any mention of this in legislation. Most retailers in other states that sell these magazines state that they are not able to be sold to NSW customers.

Also, magpul does actually manufacture ‘long 10 round’ magazines that are 10 rounds with the appearance of the 30 round mags, ( https://magpul.com/pmag-10-30-ar-m4-gen ... _color=118 )these would surely be legal, as it would be impossible to extend their capacity, are they available in Australia? I haven’t been able to find them for sale.

Is anyone actually able to find in legislation where in fact it states that pinned/restricted magazines are illegal? And are they illegal to possess or just illegal to fit to a firearm?

If the magazine is physically restricted to only 10rds I would think it would be legal, but I would suggest you email the Registry including a link to the specific magazine and ask them.

Now, even if they are technically legal, that doesn't mean that Border Force will allow them to be imported. Ruger BX15 mags are legal in all states, but BF will no longer allow importation unless you have an "Ag Permit" for a CatC rifle. For CatA they must be restricted to 10rds before BF will release them. Their reasoning is that BX15's _might_ be used in the Ruger Charger pistol, which would be illegal. For me, restricting the entire shooting public from accessing a magazine because somebody "might" use it illegally with a pistol is ridiculous - people that do illegal things don't abide by laws. As far as I've been able to work out the only BX15's in Australia are those that came with the original Ruger American rifles, before BF stepped in. Americans sold from 2019 onward came with restricted BX15's. I bought mine in late 2018 with a 15rd mag, my mate bought his a few months later with a restricted magazine, despite the rifle being advertised with a 15rd mag.

[bladeracer]

Got me buggered why you would want a long mag just a PITA unless you want mall nija wank factor

I quite like the 25rd (15rd restricted) Archangel Ruger mags. They look similar to MP5 mags.

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They make loading and unloading very easy but are bulky to carry. Very annoying though when shooting benched or prone and a right pain in the field. The BX15's are my preferred mag by far for the Rugers. The BX10's fit flush so are great for the field, but as I don't insert the mag until I'm ready to shoot, the BX15 is far easier to fit into the rifle without looking than the BX10. And even the BX10 can fall out of a slung rifle.

The Archangels actually came with faux covers that make them look like 30rd M16 .223 mags, but that just makes them even bulkier and more difficult to handle. The covers also need modifying to fit the RPR but I think they fit the standard Americans, I never tried them with the covers on them. These also disassemble like a conventional mag (press the tit in and slide the base plate off) so are very easy to clean. The restricted Ruger BX15 and BX25 are glued together and are _impossible_ to clean. Unrestricted BX15's disassemble just fine for cleaning.

[bigpete]

f***ing mall ninjas lol

[alexjones]

I believe they are banned by the police based on the wording of the legislation. I am paraphrasing here but it is something that states 'would be a prohibited if it did not have an obstruction, defect or a part missing'.

So feel free to challenge the wording in a court battle if you wish.

I do agree with you though they do look "cool".

[Jorlcrin]

The BX-10 mags are a pain in the arse swapping out in a 10/22 at night.
The flush mounting and cube shape makes them hard to get the right way around when there's no light.

Makes me think of ordering a couple of the BX-15's; hadnt considered that.
[Thanks Bladeracer]
Love the 10/22; best .22 I've ever had, and has nailed an amazing number of rabbits in a short time.
Might go on the hunt for some BX-15's..
The 25's look a bit too unwieldy for my needs.

[alexjones]

They look cool

Are you being serious, or taking the piss?
Mall ninja is about right. The type of thing that gives us "appearance law". No thanks.

Negative. That would be stupid police, politicians and the Samantha Lee type commies of the world.

[alexjones]

The BX-10 mags are a pain in the arse swapping out in a 10/22 at night.
The flush mounting and cube shape makes them hard to get the right way around when there's no light.

Makes me think of ordering a couple of the BX-15's; hadnt considered that.
[Thanks Bladeracer]
Love the 10/22; best .22 I've ever had, and has nailed an amazing number of rabbits in a short time.
Might go on the hunt for some BX-15's..
The 25's look a bit too unwieldy for my needs.

Victor precision(made in Brisbane) sell 15 and 25 rounders.

https://victorprecision.com/product/vic ... magazines/

[Shootermick]

The BX-10 mags are a pain in the arse swapping out in a 10/22 at night.
The flush mounting and cube shape makes them hard to get the right way around when there's no light.

Makes me think of ordering a couple of the BX-15's; hadnt considered that.
[Thanks Bladeracer]
Love the 10/22; best .22 I've ever had, and has nailed an amazing number of rabbits in a short time.
Might go on the hunt for some BX-15's..
The 25's look a bit too unwieldy for my needs.

I’ve got two 10 round magazines hooked together with one of those duo couplers on my 10/22.
Just drop it out and spin it around and clip it back in.
Makes it drop out better with the extra weight, and then it’s easier to insert as well with the extra length to grip onto.

[bladeracer]

The BX-10 mags are a pain in the arse swapping out in a 10/22 at night.
The flush mounting and cube shape makes them hard to get the right way around when there's no light.

Makes me think of ordering a couple of the BX-15's; hadnt considered that.
[Thanks Bladeracer]
Love the 10/22; best .22 I've ever had, and has nailed an amazing number of rabbits in a short time.
Might go on the hunt for some BX-15's..
The 25's look a bit too unwieldy for my needs.

If you have CatC already you should be able to order unrestricted BX15's, try Cleaver as they imported a heap a few years ago.
I have considered cutting one of the 25's down to be about 20mm longer than the BX15 but haven't bothered. The length makes them handy to grab from a cargo pocket without fumbling them and the curve makes it obvious which is the front.

[bladeracer]

Victor precision(made in Brisbane) sell 15 and 25 rounders.

https://victorprecision.com/product/vic ... magazines/

At that price though they can keep them.

[alexjones]

Victor precision(made in Brisbane) sell 15 and 25 rounders.

https://victorprecision.com/product/vic ... magazines/

At that price though they can keep them.

Yes they are expensive but that is manufacture cost and small market of Australia. They are made from 7075 Aluminium and are better quality than the ruger bx15/25 magazines.

If you were to buy a ruger bx25 magazine right now it would cost around $200 on average. If you are interested see ozzie reviews review them. the 25 and the 15. He also does one for the 22magnium.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1bjGhlYNKw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SARxCUJkuQs

[MrMickyD]

Crimped mags are not legal in NSW period , i have found that out a few times myself.

[Jorlcrin]

Victor precision(made in Brisbane) sell 15 and 25 rounders.

https://victorprecision.com/product/vic ... magazines/

At that price though they can keep them.

Yes they are expensive but that is manufacture cost and small market of Australia. They are made from 7075 Aluminium and are better quality than the ruger bx15/25 magazines.

If you were to buy a ruger bx25 magazine right now it would cost around $200 on average. If you are interested see ozzie reviews review them. the 25 and the 15. He also does one for the 22magnium.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1bjGhlYNKw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SARxCUJkuQs

The Victor Precision mags arent completely made of 7075 aluminium; only the feed lips are.
Not that much different to the Ruger BX-series mags; they also have a metal feed lip setup.

That said, given how few magazines I purchase, and how I'd be supporting a quality made Australian product, If I go the option of buying either a 15 or a 25 round mag, I think I'll go VP.

I can 3D print a connector/holder for my BX-1 mags to give me something to grab onto, but yet to try any of the designs out.

[Wapiti]

As an addition to the above in case anyone is considering Ruger copy mags with aluminum feed lips, the two brands purchased by us failed quite quickly. This is in the 10/22's. Both have been Aussie made brands.
The rims of the cartridges tear out the little machined-in slot that forces the cartridge to come out of the mag in the right angle. I won't get myself into trouble but both brands purchased have failed extremely fast, both in 22LR and 22WMRF autoloaders. Also, a caveat, in Qld anything over 10rds in a semi-auto rimfire takes it to Cat D and make sure you comply with state laws.

However, the investment cast feed lips of the Ruger-made BX range in both BX25 and 15 have done 1000's of Powerpoints and CCI Maxi's with no wear whatsoever. Ruger definitely have the most superior rimfire magazines out there.

[bladeracer]

As an addition to the above in case anyone is considering Ruger copy mags with aluminum feed lips, the two brands purchased by us failed quite quickly. This is in the 10/22's. Both have been Aussie made brands.
The rims of the cartridges tear out the little machined-in slot that forces the cartridge to come out of the mag in the right angle. I won't get myself into trouble but both brands purchased have failed extremely fast, both in 22LR and 22WMRF autoloaders. Also, a caveat, in Qld anything over 10rds in a semi-auto rimfire takes it to Cat D and make sure you comply with state laws.

However, the investment cast feed lips of the Ruger-made BX range in both BX25 and 15 have done 1000's of Powerpoints and CCI Maxi's with no wear whatsoever. Ruger definitely have the most superior rimfire magazines out there.

So, in Qld there is no restriction on mag capacity for CatA or CatD rimfire rifles, but Cat C semi-auto rimfires are restricted to 10rd? That's really weird, I would think CatC would benefit the most from having higher capacity mags for dealing with pests most effectively.

The ProMag Archangel is the only non-Ruger magazine I've used in my Rugers, and I like them. They're cheap and well made. I couldn't say how many rounds have been through my mags as I only log the rifles, but I would figure around 5000rds on each of the BX15's, maybe 4000rds on the Archangels, and maybe 2000rds on my BX10's (and 10rd BX25). The BX10's give me a little bit of grief in the MDT chassis. The mag well on the MDT LSS-22's is a touch long allowing the front of the BX10's to drop during feeding. I unscrew the centre bolt slightly to fix it but that can make it _very_ difficult to remove the mag if you go a couple thousandths too far. I don't recall any other significant issues with any of these mags and consider them totally reliable. Oh, one of the Archangels has started to have some issues locking into the mag well occasionally, but I haven't investigated the cause as yet.

[alexjones]

As an addition to the above in case anyone is considering Ruger copy mags with aluminum feed lips, the two brands purchased by us failed quite quickly. This is in the 10/22's. Both have been Aussie made brands.
The rims of the cartridges tear out the little machined-in slot that forces the cartridge to come out of the mag in the right angle. I won't get myself into trouble but both brands purchased have failed extremely fast, both in 22LR and 22WMRF autoloaders. Also, a caveat, in Qld anything over 10rds in a semi-auto rimfire takes it to Cat D and make sure you comply with state laws.

However, the investment cast feed lips of the Ruger-made BX range in both BX25 and 15 have done 1000's of Powerpoints and CCI Maxi's with no wear whatsoever. Ruger definitely have the most superior rimfire magazines out there.

So, in Qld there is no restriction on mag capacity for CatA or CatD rimfire rifles, but Cat C semi-auto rimfires are restricted to 10rd? That's really weird, I would think CatC would benefit the most from having higher capacity mags for dealing with pests most effectively.

The ProMag Archangel is the only non-Ruger magazine I've used in my Rugers, and I like them. They're cheap and well made. I couldn't say how many rounds have been through my mags as I only log the rifles, but I would figure around 5000rds on each of the BX15's, maybe 4000rds on the Archangels, and maybe 2000rds on my BX10's (and 10rd BX25). The BX10's give me a little bit of grief in the MDT chassis. The mag well on the MDT LSS-22's is a touch long allowing the front of the BX10's to drop during feeding. I unscrew the centre bolt slightly to fix it but that can make it _very_ difficult to remove the mag if you go a couple thousandths too far. I don't recall any other significant issues with any of these mags and consider them totally reliable. Oh, one of the Archangels has started to have some issues locking into the mag well occasionally, but I haven't investigated the cause as yet.

Yes in QLD cat A has no magazine capacity.
Cat C is limited to 10 rounds and anything over is cat D.
Cat H for sports is also limited to 10.

I have a bx25 round mag. It works in my ruger American which is a cat A. A 10/22 which is cat C and a ruger charger which is cat H.

I can use the bx25 only in the cat A. If I use it in my 10/22 is will become an unregistered cat D and if I use it in my charger it will still be a cat H but outside of the 10 round limit for sports use so illegal.

[Wapiti]

So, in Qld there is no restriction on mag capacity for CatA or CatD rimfire rifles, but Cat C semi-auto rimfires are restricted to 10rd? That's really weird, I would think CatC would benefit the most from having higher capacity mags for dealing with pests most effectively.
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Yes, that's right as alexjones posted prior and beat me to it. And you're right, because as far as Cat C goes, the choices are limiting and for us were pretty much ineffective.
Not sure if box-mag semi/pump shotguns are any better, but we found that it didn't matter that we had a 5-shot 870 (Cat C) or an 8 shot (Cat D), they weren't helping is much as really, after 5 shots the game was over, even if the damn things were of any use at all. Most can picture the circumstances where a shotgun needs to be fast, in thick scrub and choked creek beds, and after 5 shots it's all over. Actually, I can't imagine a bigger useless wank than those huge, long box mags in 12G anyway. These new button-press shotguns are just as fast now anyway.
Rimfires as well really, after 10 shots are gone, the bunnies left have all buggered off at that warren. The limiting factor for pro use is the power of the cartridge used, so it can be used for more problems. My wife goy a 22WMR semi that takes the Ruger mags, which is a big step up for us, but it wasn't enough, even with the 15 shot ones.

Every time I see the term "game changer" used for a new firearm in Cat A,B, it makes me think this is all a bad dream. because the only firearms that fit that term are Cat D centrefires in an accurate platform that lends itself to all primary production needs, or serious hunters. And I'm most likely going ruin my credibility, if I had any, by saying that I've never needed more than one 10 round mag at any particular time, 3, 4, 7 shots quick that were absolutely needed, yes. Our centrefires have 20rd mags in 308 and I grab a 10 everytime. However, some may need them, and should be able to have whatever they want. It just adds to the proof that those who make these laws never have any practical experience other than sitting at a bus stop.

[Jorlcrin]

Yes in QLD cat A has no magazine capacity.
Cat C is limited to 10 rounds and anything over is cat D.
Cat H for sports is also limited to 10.

I have a bx25 round mag. It works in my ruger American which is a cat A. A 10/22 which is cat C and a ruger charger which is cat H.

I can use the bx25 only in the cat A. If I use it in my 10/22 is will become an unregistered cat D and if I use it in my charger it will still be a cat H but outside of the 10 round limit for sports use so illegal.

I'm a bit concerned about the 10-round limit on the CatC licence for QLD.
Anyone know what affect(if any) to a Cat C licence for a 10/22, that those adapter to butt multiple mags together might cause?
They dont change the capacity of any of the BX-1 mags and so (IN THEORY) shouldnt move the setup into a Cat D.

But I do use my 10/22 under a Cat C licence, and I'd fallen into the trap of assuming that larger mags would've been fine for PP work.
Thankfully, havent done anything about larger mags, other than a bucketload of BX-1 mags.
But I can buy the tri-mag and the double-mag butt-adapters, and wondered if they would cause me any licence issues.

I cannot see how, but then we are talking about Weapons Licensing...

Any advice appreciated.

[Wapiti]

In Qld it's based on the individual magazines and what each one holds, 10 rds being max for Cat C.
If you have a Cat D license, you can purchase the BX15 or 25, in fact, centrefire Pmags in any size up to 30 rounds, but all new magazines must be released from customs bond via a separate application, and believe me, it's on another level.
If you are well known by your supplier, of course if they have any secondhand (unbonded) magazines in stock that have been traded in, you just need to have that relevant license category as the mags have already been recorded as in country by customs. Only issue about getting the BX range is, if there are any here in Aus that is.

There is mothing in the regs officially about clipping two 10 shotters together, because individual capacity is what is controlled. If someone can find such, please let us know.

However, there have been rumours that overzealous police have interpreted the regs in their own way, forcing license holders to dispute the charges in court and apply to get licenses back. Lost income and legal expenses are always lost.

[alexjones]

Nothing illegal about clipping two or more mags together so long as the individual capacity of the magazines don't change. A bx25 magazine can be bought on a cat A licence in QLD because it fits cat a rifles. Just don't put them in your cat C or cat H guns.

Also, even if you have a cat D licence but don't have a ruger 10/22 registered as cat D but you have one as cat C you can't put a bx25 in it because it will become an unregistered cat D.

Cat C is the most stupid category. If iI had my way there would be no categories however cat C should be all semi shotguns and rimfires and cat and cat D should just be centrefire. This magazine capacity is just nonsense.