Cat B Genuine Need - QLD

[junior_04]

Hi folks, just after some help understanding Cat B PTA’s as I’m about to do my first.

As I’m sure you all already know, you’re given an option for you genuine need between “recreational shooting on rural land” and “sport and target shooting”.

My question is, if I pick one of these options, does that mean I can’t use that rifle for the other reason? i.e. if I pick shooting on rural land (because I want to hunt larger game) does that mean I can’t go sight in my rifle at the range?

I know it’s a simple question but I can’t find the answer anywhere

Thanks, Jr.

[JohnV]

The idea is to write a genuine need that covers what you want to do with that particular cartridge but does not stop you from giving other genuine reasons for other purchases .
Tailor the genuine need wording to that particular type of action or style of the rifle you are buying and the caliber for humane destruction of a certain size feral game . ie. I need a 308 Winchester bolt action with a medium length barrel for humane destruction of feral pigs in thick bush where a smaller caliber is not safe or humane to use .
Next one can be for rabbits , then goats at longer ranges , then a Heavy barrel varmint rifle for lying prone shooting at small game . Etc . Etc. Etc. The main this is keep a copy of every genuine reason you use so that the next one used is different wording giving a different excuse for a different class of firearm . You can take any registered gun you want within range rules to the range to practice as long as you tick target and hunting on the range attendance receipt .

[alexjones]

You have to prove genuine reason for one and you can use it for both so long as your licence has condition code RE1 and SC1 on it which I assume it will.

[Wapiti]

Do you really only get to choose one genuine reason?
Target shooting on a range or shooting on rural land?

When we choose to get another PTA, we do not get that option on a Primary Production license, which is why I'm asking.
We just always get the obligatory email a few days later "why what you've already got won't be suitable", every time for the last two years.
And then, we just explain a reason in return, just like JohnV's excellent suggestion in his previous post above.

I always recommend and suggest friends fill out the "Form 1 Annexure - Recreational Shooting and Fishing" by a landowner, to ensure they get RE1 on their license. Just in case, nowadays.

[zbenga]

So I applied for a PTA and their website changed, they now say Shooting on Rural lands, Target and Other

if you select Target then they issue with ONLY at approved ranges, they will ask you for the ranges.
if you select Shooting on rural land they will ask you for the property details inc land size etc and a written permission to shoot there and you provide all that thats the only place you can shoot
if you select other you get 500 characters to define why you need it

I think QLD is getting worse and weapons licensing is subtle making it harder, I did have one PTA with them asking for more info, because I wanted to hunt with this rifle I told them I can't give you written notice from the owner of the land because I book my hunts online and I shoot in NSW state forests for which I have a R license and I only get the written notice once I book, for the dates that I'm booking/allowed

they then refused my PTA under the pretence of not providing letters from and owners, so technically speaking getting a PTA for a rifle used for hunting is not very easy it seems unless you want to be restricted to a single property etc.

[noneyabussiness]

I would suggest forwarding this to Shooters Union...

[fussy]

I would suggest forwarding this to Shooters Union...

And your local member.
AND opposition/shadow police minister.

[bigrich]

what caliber was your pta for zbenga ?
I just did a dummy cat B PTA and "sports and target shooting" came up as always, which covers you for hunting in qld. i just had a PTA approved about a week ago for a 308 rifle . i'd checked sports and target shooting. no issues with being asked for what range or where i hunt . i also did one for cat A and no check box came up for genuine need at all , which i thought was strange. any strange stuff going on i'll ring SU and report it . the more facts to send to the police minister the greater the pressure for change back to common sense

edit , was this the pta for your 338 norma mate ? i'd be guessing certain calibre's are now triggering a different pta application with more restrictions on genuine need . contact SU

[alexjones]

what caliber was your pta for zbenga ?
I just did a dummy cat B PTA and "sports and target shooting" came up as always, which covers you for hunting in qld. i just had a PTA approved about a week ago for a 308 rifle . i'd checked sports and target shooting. no issues with being asked for what range or where i hunt . i also did one for cat A and no check box came up for genuine need at all , which i thought was strange. any strange stuff going on i'll ring SU and report it . the more facts to send to the police minister the greater the pressure for change back to common sense

edit , was this the pta for your 338 norma mate ? i'd be guessing certain calibre's are now triggering a different pta application with more restrictions on genuine need . contact SU

Actually it is not strange that no check box came up for your cat A. If you read the weapons act you only need to provide a genuine need for every category of weapon excluding cat A.

Cat A PTAs are the epitome of a rubber stamp.


See my attached photo weapons act section 39(2c).

[bigrich]

what caliber was your pta for zbenga ?
I just did a dummy cat B PTA and "sports and target shooting" came up as always, which covers you for hunting in qld. i just had a PTA approved about a week ago for a 308 rifle . i'd checked sports and target shooting. no issues with being asked for what range or where i hunt . i also did one for cat A and no check box came up for genuine need at all , which i thought was strange. any strange stuff going on i'll ring SU and report it . the more facts to send to the police minister the greater the pressure for change back to common sense

edit , was this the pta for your 338 norma mate ? i'd be guessing certain calibre's are now triggering a different pta application with more restrictions on genuine need . contact SU

Actually it is not strange that no check box came up for your cat A. If you read the weapons act you only need to provide a genuine need for every category of weapon excluding cat A.

Cat A PTAs are the epitome of a rubber stamp.

thanks for that , thought cat A was a bit easier to apply for , just couldn't remember for sure . i knew someone on here would set me straight . hmmm, maybe i should buy some more cat A rifles......

[zbenga]

what caliber was your pta for zbenga ?
I just did a dummy cat B PTA and "sports and target shooting" came up as always, which covers you for hunting in qld. i just had a PTA approved about a week ago for a 308 rifle . i'd checked sports and target shooting. no issues with being asked for what range or where i hunt . i also did one for cat A and no check box came up for genuine need at all , which i thought was strange. any strange stuff going on i'll ring SU and report it . the more facts to send to the police minister the greater the pressure for change back to common sense

edit , was this the pta for your 338 norma mate ? i'd be guessing certain calibre's are now triggering a different pta application with more restrictions on genuine need . contact SU

was for .338 NorMag

Cat A don't need a genuine reason but cat B does

I am going to QCAT

The application dated 27 April 2025 is rejected.
You have failed to satisfy the Authorised Officer that your requirements cannot be adequately met
in a way not involving the use of a weapon or by using a weapon of another category or type.

It is considered that the issue of a Permit to Acquire would be contrary to the public interest.
Issued at BRISBANE on 1 June 2025
and Authorised by an Authorised Officer.

sticking point was around them needing addresses and letter of authority to hunt on private land even thou I have an R license

It is considered that the issue of a Permit to Acquire would be contrary to the public interest.
no idea about this part but I have everything ready to to to QCAT this week

if you have target only they can restrict you to target only usage so you can't hunt

[bigrich]

what caliber was your pta for zbenga ?
I just did a dummy cat B PTA and "sports and target shooting" came up as always, which covers you for hunting in qld. i just had a PTA approved about a week ago for a 308 rifle . i'd checked sports and target shooting. no issues with being asked for what range or where i hunt . i also did one for cat A and no check box came up for genuine need at all , which i thought was strange. any strange stuff going on i'll ring SU and report it . the more facts to send to the police minister the greater the pressure for change back to common sense

edit , was this the pta for your 338 norma mate ? i'd be guessing certain calibre's are now triggering a different pta application with more restrictions on genuine need . contact SU

was for .338 NorMag

Cat A don't need a genuine reason but cat B does

I am going to QCAT

wishing you the best of luck . i had some legal questions years ago and shooters union kindly gave me the number of their lawyer they use who specialises in firearms related matters . the guy rang me back and had a yarn to me for about 20 minutes giving me some good advice. if you haven't contacted SU already , it might be worth a call . cheers mate

The application dated 27 April 2025 is rejected.
You have failed to satisfy the Authorised Officer that your requirements cannot be adequately met
in a way not involving the use of a weapon or by using a weapon of another category or type.

It is considered that the issue of a Permit to Acquire would be contrary to the public interest.
Issued at BRISBANE on 1 June 2025
and Authorised by an Authorised Officer.

sticking point was around them needing addresses and letter of authority to hunt on private land even thou I have an R license

It is considered that the issue of a Permit to Acquire would be contrary to the public interest.
no idea about this part but I have everything ready to to to QCAT this week

if you have target only they can restrict you to target only usage so you can't hunt