THE SENATE INQUIRY FINALY RELEASED

[trekin]

Here it is;
http://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committee ... report.pdf

[KWhorenet]

Wow they are really at the sharp end... 133 'Regulation of 3D printed firearms'

[Baldrick314]

I've only had a chance to skim it so far but looks like a win for us. All the stupid ideas got voted down and a couple good ideas suggested such as having firearms interest groups involved in legislation

[Noisydad]

Just wait for the green yards to start their pouting bleating and childish whining that the firearms lobby hijacked the enquiry and that the results are irrelevant.

[Newdave]

Ha how right you are the abc is already coming to the greens rescue. They are just blatantly biased.

[trekin]

Don't know about you fellers, but the more I read, the more I wonder how any sensible, sane and rational person could see this as any less than what it is, that is one person's (the committee chair) attempt to have their anti gun bias views forced upon us as law passed by State and Federal Governments. I mean, shouldn't the recommendations put forward by the "committee", be supported by the majority of the committee making the recommendations??

Recommendation 1
7.16 The committee recommends the Commonwealth government provide funding to allow programs, such as the National Firearms Monitoring Program and the National Firearm Theft Monitoring Program, and reports, such as those in the Firearm Theft in Australia series, to continue on an ongoing basis.
Recommendation 2
7.17 The committee further recommends the Australian Institute of Criminology conduct within three years a review of current data collection and reporting arrangements, with a particular focus on:
the need for more accurate data on firearm thefts, the recovery of stolen firearms and seizures of illegally imported firearms;
the quality and comparability of data provided to Commonwealth agencies by state and territory police; and
greater inter-agency co-operation with regards to data sharing
1.213 The majority of Senators attending the inquiry do not agree with Recommendation 1 and Recommendation 2 of the Chair's report: the AIC should not receive additional funding for further research programs.

Recommendation 3
7.25 The committee recommends that the National Firearms Agreement be updated to implement nationally consistent regulation in the following areas:
firearms, firearm parts and firearm accessories;
ammunition; and
the storage of firearms.
1.214 The majority of Senators attending the inquiry do not agree with Recommendation 3 of the Chair's report: these matters should remain responsibility
for State and Territory governments.

Recommendation 4
7.28 The committee recommends that the Commonwealth government, together with state and territory governments, establish national standards for the security of membership data held by gun clubs.
1.215 The majority of Senators attending the inquiry do not agree with Recommendation 4 of the Chair's report: membership data held by gun clubs should remain a responsibility of State and Territory governments.

Recommendation 7
7.44 The committee recommends that Australian governments investigate the requirement for uniform regulations in all jurisdictions covering the manufacture of 3D printed firearms and firearm parts.
1.216 The majority of Senators attending the inquiry do not agree with Recommendation 7 of the Chair's report: new regulations do not need to be introduced to cover the manufacture of 3D printed firearms and firearm parts at this point in time.

Recommendation 9
7.51 The committee recommends that Australian governments consider committing further funding and resourcing to assist in implementing the preceding recommendations.
1.217The majority of Senators attending the inquiry do not support Recommendation 9 of the Chair's report and instead urge the government to consider funding initiatives that educate the wider public on safe use of firearms.

Now whether or not anyone in Government actually reads the report to the end, and see's the chair's recommendations for what they are, and instead acts upon the recommendations put forward by the majority of the Senators attending the inquiry remains to be seen, but I'm just off to the chemist's to stock up on KY.

[Newdave]

The media have already completely spun this report on its head. The abc is leading the charge like usual. Its shocking the level of complete bias being displayed. Unfortunately most people will only see the abc rubbish headline and believe it.

Whats more of a worry is the fact that labour supported the greens. Not a good sign for the future when you consider the current political climate.

[bigfellascott]

ABC radio interview with Penny Wright and Bridget McKenzie

http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programitem ... ?play=true

[Bourt]

the more I read, the more I wonder how any sensible, sane and rational person could see this as any less than what it is, that is one person's (the committee chair) attempt to have their anti gun bias views forced upon us

Shown as she chairs the things then disputes the results as some sort of conspiracy when they don't come out in her favour

[anthillinside]

GREENS STFU.
I just finished reading the report in full.
No wonder so many senators go to sleep in the chamber!
It's fairly obvious that the report tries to prove that he majority of illegal guns are stolen from legal owners and just as obviously fails to accept the evidence that the number of thefts are minimal.

A lot of excitement about 3D gun printing while the presented evidence presented showing clearly that it a non issue.
Then making recommendations totally outside the scope of the inquiry.
Recommendation 7
7.44 The committee recommends that Australian governments investigate the
requirement for uniform regulations in all jurisdictions covering the
manufacture of 3D printed firearms and firearm parts.
Recommendation 8
7.48 The committee recommends that Australian governments continue to
monitor the risks posed by 3D manufacturing in relation to the manufacture of
firearms and consider further regulatory measures if the need arises.

Don’t they understand that Australia (them in particular) will have absolutely no say in what happens in the global technology arena.

The ABC interview..
I used to listen to the ABC quite a lot but since the last election the bias is becoming intolerable.
Penny Wright sounding petulant that she didn’t get her own way and attacking the other members of the committee.
Bridget McKenzie debating the committee findings sounding more reasonable.
But I’m biased so that’s what I want to hear.

The ABC is doing so many of these exact same interviews that it’s getting boring.
I guess there’s still a lot of sour grapes over the loss of funding.

In the end although this might not get through to the media and general public but it is showing we the average shooter might just have a few more friends in parliament than we think we do.
GREENS STFU.
I just finished reading the report in full.
No wonder so many senators go to sleep in the chamber!
It's fairly obvious that the report tries to prove that he majority of ileagle guns are stolen from leagle owners and just as obviously fails to

[David Brown]

7.48 The committee recommends that Australian governments continue to
monitor the risks posed by 3D manufacturing in relation to the manufacture of
firearms and consider further regulatory measures if the need arises.

Don’t they understand that Australia (them in particular) will have absolutely no say in what happens in the global technology arena.

Yeah waste how much monitoring?

Quite simply, when the cost of the laser machining(printing) centres gets anywhere near $5000 then start looking, but I am pretty sure that is never going to happen. If you want to make "home grown" weapons it would be far easier to get sample parts or drawings and set up a machine shop. Heck the way businesses are going broke at the moment you could buy a complete engineering shop for a fraction of the normal setup costs.

Let me reword the recommendation for you…..
7.48 The committee recommends that Australian governments continue to
monitor the risks posed by liquidated engineering shops capability in relation to the manufacture of
firearms and consider further regulatory measures if the need arises.

[bluerob]

Then we have the Trans Pacific Partnership that's being negotiated behind closed doors with ZERO information being made public. Why is it being conducted behind closed doors with no public (dis..) information provided as to what this actually means and what affect will it have on our future to export coal etc.

I thought that global free trade was supposed to reduce the costs of some items - guess factory ammo missed the list?

[Arth]

Just wait for the green yards to start their pouting bleating and childish whining that the firearms lobby hijacked the enquiry and that the results are irrelevant.

It's started.

You nailed it, headlines today about how it was 'hijacked' by David Leyonhjelm.

[trekin]

Last person I would have thought would lend his support;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jig2Zmym3eA#t=14

[bigfellascott]

Last person I would have thought would lend his support;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jig2Zmym3eA#t=14

Yeah saw that over on AHN - funny that he would support firearms ownership considering his disarming of the public over there.

[trekin]

Last person I would have thought would lend his support;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jig2Zmym3eA#t=14

Yeah saw that over on AHN - funny that he would support firearms ownership considering his disarming of the public over there.

But hey, if he can see the error of his ways ................

[1290]

Last person I would have thought would lend his support;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jig2Zmym3eA#t=14

Yeah saw that over on AHN - funny that he would support firearms ownership considering his disarming of the public over there.

Who are you referring to Scott?? Hitler? Conveniently the "NAZIs disarmed the people" line works in well for the pro-gun side of the discourse... but unfortunately is a total fallacy. The NAZI government actually deregulated longarm ownership, reduced the legal age to 18, encouraged recreational activities including hunting etc.... but kept handgun regulations.

History is written by the victors!

Without getting into to much detail, because many people start sweating and winding up the anti-semite responses as soon as you're seen to 'defend' Hitler....but the Versailles treaty after ww1 required germans to be disarmed (thats the Allies) which was implemented by law, (relaxed by Hitler) then after WW2, tougher gun restrictions were again implemented while Germany was under occupation (again by the Allies!) Note Germany remains under occupation (along with Japan)....but thats another discussion

Anyway, never let the truth get in the way of a good story!

[Yelp]

But hey, if he can see the error of his ways ................

We'll take all the supporters we can get