Filming police doing safe inspection

[Sergeant Hartman]

Empathy. That's the word.

I always put myself in other persons shoes and think how would I feel or do.

In the end of the day police is a job, just like a plumber, accountant, teacher etc. So when I get pullets over for a RBT, or even those times I was pulled over for speeding, I just say hi, answer their questions in a calm manner. Once I fkd up and was caught driving at 90 in a 60k zone, instant loss of license, but some luck the guy went lenient and I ended up with a 3 pointer fine. I learnt my lesson. I suppose if I got angry or gave him s**t, I'd be walking for the next 6 months.

In short they are humans doing a job, they see and deal with lots of s**t, if you behave nicely its likely that they will be more willing to let you off or help you through a minor issue.

Now going back to your original question if you have say a CCTV camera installed in your gun room, explain to them it's there before they get in the room. say its for security ask if they would like you to turn it off.... maybe that's a better option then holding a phone in your hand.

[Bent Arrow]

I know not everyone will agree with this, but based on my interactions with the local coppers over the last couple of years, they are pretty happy to be dealing with my straightforward requirements when I need to register a new firearm. Got to be a lot nicer job compared to filling out another accident or theft or assault report, or dealing with some peep that got let out on bail that forgot to rock up for his regular attendance at their local cop shop. I've had a couple of great chats with young coppers including females that were quite interested in firearms and seemed genuinely relieved to be talking with someone that wasn't a dropkick making a PITA of themselves.

[Bruiser64]

I know not everyone will agree with this, but based on my interactions with the local coppers over the last couple of years, they are pretty happy to be dealing with my straightforward requirements when I need to register a new firearm. Got to be a lot nicer job compared to filling out another accident or theft or assault report, or dealing with some peep that got let out on bail that forgot to rock up for his regular attendance at their local cop shop. I've had a couple of great chats with young coppers including females that were quite interested in firearms and seemed genuinely relieved to be talking with someone that wasn't a dropkick making a PITA of themselves.

My experience dealing with the police in WA has generally been very positive too. In the 30 odd years l have lived in WA I have only come across a rude and aggressive police officer once. All the rest of the officers I have dealt with have been polite and reasonable. Police have a very difficult job to do. They are often in situations where people are at their worst or are having an appalling experience. I have known a number of police socially, and completely unsurprisingly they are ordinary members of the community who have a difficult job to do. If you don’t act like a complete pull-through in your dealings with them, you are likely to find them perfectly ok. The reason they were body cameras is to protect themselves and the public. If they are filming their interactions with the public they have a strong motivation to act professionally.

How many people here have actually had very much to do with criminals? How much experience do people here have of the people who end up in prison due to their criminality? I have had a bit to do with them over the years and I much prefer the conduct of the police over criminals. A lady I know has an uncle who was the subject of a home invasion. He was an elderly bloke who had the misfortune to live in a farmlet on the road between Norseman and Esperance. The crims broke in wanting to steal his car, as the stolen car they were in had broken down. In the course of their crime they smashed him in the head with a hammer. Unsurprisingly this has stuffed his life up. Who do you think caught the crims and brought them to justice? I’ll give you a hint: it wasn’t some keyboard warrior on the internet.

[duncan61]

My recent safe inspection they attended a total of 3 times as I was not compliant and they could not have been more helpful and polite.I also lived in a small southwest country town and the local police were very community orientated and ran the basketball on Wednesday night for all the children in town

[Davo86]

When they did mine had a young female constable come out with a acting SGT.
Female cop across as dumb as dog s**t, I asked her if her body cam was rolling which I could tell was not.
The old SGT said yeah mine is buddy, then asked about the Army plaques and my old KFF hanging on the wall, takes s**t with him while the young Conny looked like she had never even touched a gun other than her Glock to qualify on it.
Few jokes were made, got on real well with SGT he admired my SMLE collection.
A handshake and then they left.
Cops are like.anyone in life.. you run into alot of assholes but end of the day their just doing there job and probably go home.and crack a beer like the rest of us.
Side note though..
The young Conny I hated she was leaning her elbow on her Glock like the edge of a bar saloon.
In saying that she was lucky to be pushing 5 foot and 45kg.
Ahh equality

[trekin]

And then there's the other side of the discussion!!!!
"Police commissioners wife gets ticket torn up" ABC NEWS.
Funny how the junior officer who issued the ticket has "gone on leave" hey ???
Ahh Qld cops they really know how to lose their jobs!!

Yeah, that's a really good look, eh?

I got a chuckle from the part of the report where the police spokesman said that it's every citizen's right to challenge a ticket.

So it is, but how many who aren't married to a police commissioner actually succeed wasn't mentioned.

I see this morning that the Commossioner is taking early retirement.

[Daddybang]

Early retirement hey?
Nope nothing suss goin on here!!!!

[Sergeant Hartman]

They can't easily fire a govt burocrat

No one can, even if they fk up cost millions... best they will be moved sideways and ******

[Gaznazdiak]

Seems like QLD police are still the best that money can buy.

[Daddybang]

Seems like QLD police are still the best that money can buy.

Hence me saying a little bit of skepticism is understandable!!!!!
I know other states have had police corruption pop it's head up but only qld coppers had Rodney sing a song about'em!!!!

[doc]

If you're that worried, an alternative may be to record audio on your phone while it's in your pocket. You can do it inconspicuously, and I believe according to Australian laws only one party needs to be aware of the recording for it to be legal.

If anything dodgy happens, voice recording will probably give you what you need in 99% of the cases, and reduces the risk of a hostile inspection as a response.

[Gaznazdiak]

https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.a ... ersations/

https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2017/07/i ... australia/

[Daddybang]

And just to add even more fuel to the fire
The CCC (who are supposed to uncover corruption) have stated there's nothing untoward in the whole ticket for the commish's wife fiasco but they didn't even interview the issuing officer before reaching that conclusion!!!!!!!
Yeah nothin to cause mistrust in Qpol there!!!!

[TassieTiger]

Interesting - if your in public you are legally allowed to video record officers without consent but your not allowed to record anybof their conversation without consent...what if your video has audio?? Could you then mute the audio and edit in the words being said as a graphic ?
I know...shut up TT. Lol.

[JSS]

Interesting - if your in public you are legally allowed to video record officers without consent but your not allowed to record anybof their conversation without consent...what if your video has audio?? Could you then mute the audio and edit in the words being said as a graphic ?
I know...shut up TT. Lol.

In Qld the only time they (police) can tell you to stop is if they are on private property that has nothing to do with you, or your filming is hindering them doing their duty. Other than that it's all good. As far as audio you can record in public areas and you can record a private conversation you have with someone else without telling them, The rule goes something like "at least one party in the conversation must be aware of the recording" you being that "one party" makes it legal.

[TassieTiger]

Yes - but most video collection devices have audio facilities built in now...

[Patriot]

Interesting - if your in public you are legally allowed to video record officers without consent but your not allowed to record anybof their conversation without consent...what if your video has audio?? Could you then mute the audio and edit in the words being said as a graphic ?
I know...shut up TT. Lol.

So if I understand correctly, police can voice record me but I can’t record them unless I ask?

[Gaznazdiak]

Interesting - if your in public you are legally allowed to video record officers without consent but your not allowed to record anybof their conversation without consent...what if your video has audio?? Could you then mute the audio and edit in the words being said as a graphic ?
I know...shut up TT. Lol.

So if I understand correctly, police can voice record me but I can’t record them unless I ask?

That's correct mate, that's why I said you will only make trouble for yourself doing so.

But then they're allowed to shoot you too.

[on_one_wheel]

When police finally decide rock up to my place for an inspection I'll be welcoming them in with open arms, I'll be respectful, polite and well spoken and I'll be offering them a tea, coffee, cool drink and be absolutely accommodating to their every needs.

I have all relevant paperwork close at hand to ensure that they're not waiting around.
I'llbe remembering the thank them for their service to the community because lets not forget that they typically endure a very unpleasant job and regularly deal with undisirable people.

When they come to my place they will have the pleasure of dealing with one of the most upstanding members of the community they could ever meet ... an LAFO

We owe that to them, ourselvs and each othe as LAFO'S

[duncan61]

That's what I did just before Christmas and they came back twice as I had issues and as they were leaving the last time I said I would miss them.I still have Karls card

[davidbrown6607]

I have a camera watching my safe 24/7. When the police conducted my last inspection one of the questions asked was "what other security measures do you have in place?" The police officers got a shock when I pointed at my camera and told them it records vision and sound 24/7. They agreed that it was a good idea, especially after I highlighted the amount of home invasions in my region and average police response times. IMHO use them, don't flaunt it, protect your prized possessions!

[flutch]

There is a flip side to recording a safe inspection you know he will do it by the letter for sure and that means everything checked properly, just in case you feel like he done something wrong .
The last safe inspection I had was a real nice cop he said boy you have a few (nice set up tho ) mind if i just count them to make sure they tally with what I have on my list , he did. First tho he showed me the number I had written in ink in the top of the page did not say it out loud and said quietly some wives do not know that number and was impressed with back to base monitoring and trigger lock on every thing even while just in the safe we chatted about shooting and stuff he was there about 1 hour and left .
Mind you tho in the safe I keep a spread sheet with pta numbers where bought from dates of purchase and serial numbers and where on each firearm they are located and rego numbers he just glanced at that

spreadsheets? man thats some weapons grade anal retentiveness going on there, cant say I would even consider any of that to remotely necessary, borderline strokerville around my point of origin.

[Tac308]

Antogonist much?

[Bill]

I seem to have a problem with the cops even showing up let alone even returning numerous calls and messages, bloody lazy flogs

[linkoln]

Interesting - if your in public you are legally allowed to video record officers without consent but your not allowed to record anybof their conversation without consent...what if your video has audio?? Could you then mute the audio and edit in the words being said as a graphic ?
I know...shut up TT. Lol.

The surveillance devices act of 2007 says you can audio / video record any conversation that is in public or where another person could reasonably overhear. You can record a private conversation as long as you are part of the conversation.