QLD fit and proper person test changes

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QLD fit and proper person test changes

Post by Oldbloke » 27 Mar 2021, 6:09 am

Some medical conditions will now be included.

A few here might need to be worried.

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Re: QLD fit and proper person test changes

Post by linkoln » 28 Mar 2021, 1:10 pm

Someone should have been paying attention when these were proposed changes rather than approved and part of the Weapons Licencing Act. Once they are there I don't think there is much chance of ever having them removed.
Other states look at Queensland as the Gold standard of Shooters rights by they are quickly turning into Western Australia.
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Re: QLD fit and proper person test changes

Post by rc42 » 28 Mar 2021, 3:58 pm

There have been no changes to legislation, this is entirely QLD police internal policy changes following on from their poor performance in a recent audit.

The question on notice from the Katter party tot he police minister is formally asking him to explain why appeals to QCAT have increased to over 500 in recent months compared to only 120 in the previous 11 years.

It looks like a pure spite response from QLD police, they get to hit out at shooters applying for licenses or renewals and they get to overwhelm the QCAT system which could result in cases taking years to get through and QLD police decisions stand until overturned so they win again. Overall it's a disgraceful abuse of power by QLD police with lots of costs for tax payers and shooters and no benefits to public safety.

The latest in the death by a thousand cuts for civilian firearm ownership.
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Re: QLD fit and proper person test changes

Post by linkoln » 28 Mar 2021, 7:36 pm

rc42 wrote:There have been no changes to legislation, this is entirely QLD police internal policy changes following on from their poor performance in a recent audit.


The link provided says the legislating has been changed to include these tougher restrictions.

All this is a result of a weak police force who are incapable of stopping criminals so they go after the soft target of licensed shooters.
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Re: QLD fit and proper person test changes

Post by rc42 » 28 Mar 2021, 8:18 pm

Definitely not a legislative change, just QLD WLB internal policy, if the linked document says otherwise then it is mistaken or being misunderstood.

It would be very difficult for a government to introduce legislation that actively discriminates against those with a disability or history of illness, but QLD police can do anything they want to, and they know it. Most recent decisions will likely be overturned by QCAT but that could take years and cost thousands for the affected law abiding citizens and QLD tax payers.
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Re: QLD fit and proper person test changes

Post by PastaofMuppets » 31 Mar 2021, 6:04 pm

There have been no changes. What is changing is the case law (what the courts decide).

If you read the QCAT decisions when they come out (because you have no life like me) then you'll see it's not a change to the Weapons Act, but how QCAT tells Weapons Licensing to use the Act.

We can bag them out all we like, but they don't have much of a choice except to follow what the courts tell them to.

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Re: QLD fit and proper person test changes

Post by rc42 » 31 Mar 2021, 8:05 pm

Not quite...

WLB have changed their policies as a response to the recent audit and now reject significantly more applications, this has resulted in a big jump in appeals to QCAT who either agree with WLB or over-turn their decisions.
This creates a type of case law that WLB say that they take into consideration but currently they seem to be rejecting everything they can find even the weakest justification for. They may revise their decision process after testing the limits of what they can get away with but right now is not a good time to be applying for a license or renewal.

With regards to WLB, we certainly can "bag them out" as you say, the situation and attack on shooters is entirely down to them and their new policies.
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Post by No1_49er » 31 Mar 2021, 8:44 pm

Jump over to the "other" forum, here https://ozgunlobby.com/t/qlds-fit-prope ... awyer/3227 and read a legal view as to what is happening
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Re: QLD fit and proper person test changes

Post by Blr243 » 31 Mar 2021, 8:48 pm

I’m so glad I got a ten year licence last time ......a long time before I have to deal with them again
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Re: QLD fit and proper person test changes

Post by Smokeyr67 » 17 May 2022, 7:26 am

Reading the link, and thinking about the “sleep disorder” aspect, I dare say that would be an issue for many Police Members?
I was a shift worker for 30 years, and from day 1 “sleep disorder” was part of the job description.
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Post by bigrich » 17 May 2022, 9:05 pm

No1_49er wrote:Jump over to the "other" forum, here https://ozgunlobby.com/t/qlds-fit-prope ... awyer/3227 and read a legal view as to what is happening


thanks for the link , it clarifies things :thumbsup:
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Re: QLD fit and proper person test changes

Post by mickb » 20 Aug 2022, 4:08 pm

reading these complicated arguments on medical conditions and the other threads on interpreations 'whether an RV is a storage facility' and which roads you can drive whilst having a gun in the vehicle, even if you are just driving past a national park( :crazy: ), reminds me of someone living in an iron curtain country figuring out if he can take his family for a holiday to the next town with breaking the law.

Seriously, can you imagine shooters in the 1980's being shown a glimpse of the future? Their first question would be 'did the USSR win the cold war?' lol
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Re: QLD fit and proper person test changes

Post by Blr243 » 20 Aug 2022, 6:13 pm

What’s it gonna b like 50 years from now ?
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Post by mickb » 20 Aug 2022, 8:29 pm

Blr243 wrote:What’s it gonna b like 50 years from now ?

cant even imagine mate.
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