QLD fit and proper person test changes

[Oldbloke]

Some medical conditions will now be included.

A few here might need to be worried.

http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/in-au ... 0histories


https://shootersunion.com.au/these-new- ... r-licence/

[linkoln]

Someone should have been paying attention when these were proposed changes rather than approved and part of the Weapons Licencing Act. Once they are there I don't think there is much chance of ever having them removed.
Other states look at Queensland as the Gold standard of Shooters rights by they are quickly turning into Western Australia.

[rc42]

There have been no changes to legislation, this is entirely QLD police internal policy changes following on from their poor performance in a recent audit.

The question on notice from the Katter party tot he police minister is formally asking him to explain why appeals to QCAT have increased to over 500 in recent months compared to only 120 in the previous 11 years.

It looks like a pure spite response from QLD police, they get to hit out at shooters applying for licenses or renewals and they get to overwhelm the QCAT system which could result in cases taking years to get through and QLD police decisions stand until overturned so they win again. Overall it's a disgraceful abuse of power by QLD police with lots of costs for tax payers and shooters and no benefits to public safety.

The latest in the death by a thousand cuts for civilian firearm ownership.

[linkoln]

There have been no changes to legislation, this is entirely QLD police internal policy changes following on from their poor performance in a recent audit.

The link provided says the legislating has been changed to include these tougher restrictions.

All this is a result of a weak police force who are incapable of stopping criminals so they go after the soft target of licensed shooters.

[rc42]

Definitely not a legislative change, just QLD WLB internal policy, if the linked document says otherwise then it is mistaken or being misunderstood.

It would be very difficult for a government to introduce legislation that actively discriminates against those with a disability or history of illness, but QLD police can do anything they want to, and they know it. Most recent decisions will likely be overturned by QCAT but that could take years and cost thousands for the affected law abiding citizens and QLD tax payers.

[PastaofMuppets]

There have been no changes. What is changing is the case law (what the courts decide).

If you read the QCAT decisions when they come out (because you have no life like me) then you'll see it's not a change to the Weapons Act, but how QCAT tells Weapons Licensing to use the Act.

We can bag them out all we like, but they don't have much of a choice except to follow what the courts tell them to.

~PoM~

[rc42]

Not quite...

WLB have changed their policies as a response to the recent audit and now reject significantly more applications, this has resulted in a big jump in appeals to QCAT who either agree with WLB or over-turn their decisions.
This creates a type of case law that WLB say that they take into consideration but currently they seem to be rejecting everything they can find even the weakest justification for. They may revise their decision process after testing the limits of what they can get away with but right now is not a good time to be applying for a license or renewal.

With regards to WLB, we certainly can "bag them out" as you say, the situation and attack on shooters is entirely down to them and their new policies.

[No1_49er]

Jump over to the "other" forum, here https://ozgunlobby.com/t/qlds-fit-prope ... awyer/3227 and read a legal view as to what is happening

[Blr243]

I’m so glad I got a ten year licence last time ......a long time before I have to deal with them again

[Smokeyr67]

Reading the link, and thinking about the “sleep disorder” aspect, I dare say that would be an issue for many Police Members?
I was a shift worker for 30 years, and from day 1 “sleep disorder” was part of the job description.

[bigrich]

Jump over to the "other" forum, here https://ozgunlobby.com/t/qlds-fit-prope ... awyer/3227 and read a legal view as to what is happening

thanks for the link , it clarifies things

[mickb]

reading these complicated arguments on medical conditions and the other threads on interpreations 'whether an RV is a storage facility' and which roads you can drive whilst having a gun in the vehicle, even if you are just driving past a national park( ), reminds me of someone living in an iron curtain country figuring out if he can take his family for a holiday to the next town with breaking the law.

Seriously, can you imagine shooters in the 1980's being shown a glimpse of the future? Their first question would be 'did the USSR win the cold war?' lol

[Blr243]

What’s it gonna b like 50 years from now ?

[mickb]

What’s it gonna b like 50 years from now ?

cant even imagine mate.

[perentie]

OK, this is an older thread but I thought I would ask here. Keep the info together.
I have a family here at the Range I am teaching Black Powder shooting to.
Mum and the two boys all have Licences now but not Dad.
I asked mum why he wont get a Licence as he cant sign the Unlicenced Shooter Form forever.
She said he had a conviction recordered over 10 years ago and was told that any conviction will stop him from getting a Licence.
I thought there was a time limit but mum who recently got hers says the on line application form says any conviction.
Can anyone clarify this for us please.

Keith

[bladeracer]

OK, this is an older thread but I thought I would ask here. Keep the info together.
I have a family here at the Range I am teaching Black Powder shooting to.
Mum and the two boys all have Licences now but not Dad.
I asked mum why he wont get a Licence as he cant sign the Unlicenced Shooter Form forever.
She said he had a conviction recordered over 10 years ago and was told that any conviction will stop him from getting a Licence.
I thought there was a time limit but mum who recently got hers says the on line application form says any conviction.
Can anyone clarify this for us please.

Keith

You really need to talk to Weapon Licencing but I'd be surprised if they drag it out that far, unless it was something particularly heinous.

[Wapiti]

I hope people take not of this, and remember they need to make changes at this coming election if they want to keep shooting, because the Labor/LNP Duopoly are equally to blame for these murky laws.
The urban sports shooters will be hit first, and that's where the bulk of the political change needs to take place.

[alexjones]

Firstly, you can shoot on a (form 33) unlicensed Shooter Form forever. No law says you can't.

Secondly, you have to be a fit and proper person to sign these forms. You are making a stat dec that you are. So if he can't get a licence he should not be shooting at all.

Thirdly, by law the relevant period in QLD is 5 years. Meaning if you have had a conviction in 5 years you won't get a licence. However just because this is the minimum time period does not mean anything. Bloke at my work got denied for a pub fight 20 years ago.

Just apply and see what happens.

[deye243]

And then Qcat

[perentie]

Thanks for the replies. I dont know what the conviction was for but I will see if I can get his wife to contact Weapons Licencing direct. I have known them for 20 years and it hasnt been in that time.

[mickb]

I hope people take not of this, and remember they need to make changes at this coming election if they want to keep shooting, because the Labor/LNP Duopoly are equally to blame for these murky laws.
The urban sports shooters will be hit first, and that's where the bulk of the political change needs to take place.

Mate when has any party done anything real for shooters freedoms. Good heavens its been a downhill slope from both sides of the camp since the 1980's. Less and less freedoms ever, with the worst damage by the liberals hands down.

Not that I give a hoot about either parties pile of puppets anyway. You have only have to look at the entire 1st world rolling out gun restrictions the last 40 years.

The yanks are probably the only ones with an actual two party system that seems to mean anything anymore. The other 30 1st world countries, doesnt seem tomatter whether it was left/right or conservative/liberal in power and whether the issue was guns, culture, personal freedoms or cost of living its all slid downhill at roughly the same rate.

[bladeracer]

The yanks are probably the only ones with an actual two party system that seems to mean anything anymore. The other 30 1st world countries, doesnt seem tomatter whether it was left/right or conservative/liberal in power and whether the issue was guns, culture, personal freedoms or cost of living its all slid downhill at roughly the same rate.

Are all of those countries signed up to the UN?

[Wapiti]

I hope people take not of this, and remember they need to make changes at this coming election if they want to keep shooting, because the Labor/LNP Duopoly are equally to blame for these murky laws.
The urban sports shooters will be hit first, and that's where the bulk of the political change needs to take place.

Mate when has any party done anything real for shooters freedoms. Good heavens its been a downhill slope from both sides of the camp since the 1980's. Less and less freedoms ever, with the worst damage by the liberals hands down.

Geeze mate I hope you're not saying, what's the point, is everyone just as bad as the other?

Yeah I know what Howard did, I personally sold off a number of things back then to avoid the crusher (or most likely, the cop-shop back door) and we all remember Howard. But don't forget, these laws were sitting on the shelf, formulated by Labor. All of us following the very politically aware SSAA back then knew that.

It's not just that both sides of politics are intent on removing firearms from us, the socialist left side to disarm us so we all are impotent and broken, the other side because they are incompetent city dwellers with no idea, who will legislate solely to win votes, not who's right.

This is why I'm backing One Nation, because it's plan is to bring back personal choices not government dictatorships and a free society, and part of that is yes, the right to own firearms more freely. The big picture is obvious in that you can't have firearms without free society.
I'm NOT suggestion everyone vote how we will be voting, I just wish shooters educate themselves on all of their potential choices, and therefore future freedoms, and stop dwelling on the past but the future.

[mickb]

Never said what's the point, I said lthere has been no difference between the main parties for decades.

Your own comment that one party drafted the laws and the other brought them in wins both sides of our debate in the one sentence lol.

I agree about shooters needing to educate themselves. Sadly most sit back and let it roll over them

[Wapiti]

Never said what's the point, I said lthere has been no difference between the main parties for decades.

Your own comment that one party drafted the laws and the other brought them in wins both sides of our debate in the one sentence lol.

I agree about shooters needing to educate themselves. Sadly most sit back and let it roll over them

Not sure that you get it, I've been pushing and working for a completely different political party entirely that, from my discussions face-to-face with the leader and candidates, want to actually roll back some of these laws, not just pretend to keep status quo.
Yes, shooters need to educate themselves, but trying to educate them seems to offend them.

Criticise me all you want, I'm actually having a go.

[Bugman]

Back to the OP. I am a diabetic (type 2) and so is a couple of my fellow shooters of similar age. Each year we have to get a check and an ok to drive from our relevant GP's. Service NSW apparently wants to minimise the risk of us having a "medical episode" whilst driving.
Fair enough. I am not adverse to prove my fitness to shoot firearms, in particular pistols, as I have nothing to hide due to regular medication, exercise, and diet. BUT it does concern me that, myself and the many other thousands in the same situation could be unfairly labelled as unfit to hold a licence. It may never happen, but who knows what the future will bring.

[Coxy383]

Back to the OP. I am a diabetic (type 2) and so is a couple of my fellow shooters of similar age. Each year we have to get a check and an ok to drive from our relevant GP's. Service NSW apparently wants to minimise the risk of us having a "medical episode" whilst driving.
Fair enough. I am not adverse to prove my fitness to shoot firearms, in particular pistols, as I have nothing to hide due to regular medication, exercise, and diet. BUT it does concern me that, myself and the many other thousands in the same situation could be unfairly labelled as unfit to hold a licence. It may never happen, but who knows what the future will bring.

I think that's very optimistic. I am more of the belief if they find 1 person who isn't fit they will lable you all with the same brush. Especially since most states doing something pretty drastic at the moment to get rid of firearms.

[Wapiti]

This is happening more and more.
Not sure about being assessed by a psychologist... certainly anybody trusting the word of a medical professional would want an assessment from a Psychiatrist... but at any rate, the issue with getting assessments is that the psych then risks not being able to be insured against damages resulting from their report if there's an offence resulting from the granting of that firearms license.
I know this because I have a family member who is a psychiatrist, who does mental assessments routinely, and we've spoken about this before.
That doesn't mean you won't find anyone to do a positive mental assessment, but it makes it very difficult.
It's actually a very clever and insidious way of restriction people from meeting the criteria of future firearms licenses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yx2bPb ... AS4-Fy4BfF

[mickb]

very true mate