Qld to need special permission for 300WM and larger?

[Billo]

Still waiting on the credible evidence LMFAO

[bigrich]

Only a commie would cry about a gun rights group trying to generate media attention about issues impacting gun owners.

You’re right there. I personally know a fella who’s a serious competitor in big game comps who’s had recent issues with WLB regarding PTA’s for medium bores. Some people are ragging on SU cause they get off on being trolls. Or maybe they’re senior ssaa staff……

[jezzab]

Shooters Union Media Release - QLD Weapons Licensing Branch accused of misleading Police Minister's office

**MEDIA RELEASE**

QUEENSLAND POLICE SERVICE WEAPONS LICENSING BRANCH ACCUSED OF MISLEADING POLICE MINISTER’S OFFICE



The Queensland Police Service Weapons Licensing Branch (WLB) is being accused of misleading the Police Minister’s office, amid a change in behaviour which has seen licensed shooters applying for Permits to Acquire a rifle suddenly being asked to provide information which has otherwise not been requested for nearly three decades.

Shooters Union Australia has been contacted by dozens of shooters in the past few weeks reporting their applications for hunting rifles had been met with requests for considerably more information, including:

The name of the owner of the Queensland property they plan to shoot on

Details of the property outlining the size, terrain and locality of said property in Queensland

“Details of the population, density and frequency of feral animals that would require the use of this specific weapon”.

Initially these requests - which only began appearing in the past month or two - related to “big game” hunting rifles, but in the past week appear to have expanded to include all centrefire hunting rifles and even some shotguns, prompting outrage from the shooting community who have begun demanding explanations from Police Minister Dan Purdie, Customer Service Minister Steve Minnikin, and Premier David Crisafulli.

Shooters Union Australia president Graham Park said this information had never been requested as a matter of course from Permit To Acquire (PTA) applicants in the nearly 30 years since Queensland’s current firearms laws were introduced, and there was “absolutely zero” reason for Weapons Licensing to be wanting it now either.

“We, along with large numbers of our members, have contacted the Police Minister asking for this situation with “more information” for PTAs to stop,” he said.

“The Minister’s department has obviously sent “Please Explain” requests to WLB, and from what we gather, have been told that ‘nothing has changed’,” he said.

Mr Park said he believed the Police Minister was being truthful with shooters when he said there were no changes to the legislation, which suggested Weapons Licensing Branch were either misleading the Minister’s office or obfusticating the situation when questioned about it.

“We’ve had some very productive meetings with Mr Purdie and he has told us very clearly there have been no changes to the legislation and none are planned,” he said.

“However, it is clear that WLB have changed their behaviour and/or policies – which we believe amounts to more or less the same thing, practically speaking.

“There is absolutely zero reason or need for WLB to be wanting this sort of information as part of Permit To Acquire applications – if someone has a gun licence and wants a rifle for recreational shooting or hunting, that fact alone should be enough for WLB. It’s certainly been enough since the 1990s, and there’s no reason at all why it isn’t now.”

Mr Park explained that ever since Queensland’s current firearms laws were introduced in 1997, membership of a shooting club or organisation – such as Shooters Union or the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia – was enough to satisfy the Genuine Need to own a hunting rifle, especially due to the ad hoc way many shooters obtained permission to legally hunt on land.

“Many people who like to hunt or shoot recreationally do not have a “regular” property – they get invited to go hunting with friends, or they pay a farmer for access to their land for a few days, or something similar,” he said.

“A lot of shooters in Queensland also have an R-Licence for hunting in NSW’s State Forests, and travel down there regularly to shoot – something which is completely legal.

“These shooters all have an inarguable “genuine need” for their guns, but simply cannot provide the information Weapons Licensing Branch are demanding – and should not be requesting for firearm permits to begin with.”

Every person applying for a Permit To Acquire a firearm must already hold a valid firearms licence – and part of the application process for that is establishing a person’s genuine need to own firearms generally.

“A shooter has already established they need firearms for hunting when they were issued their licence; there’s no need to go over it again in detail every time they want to buy a rifle,” Mr Park said.

“Someone at Weapons Licensing Branch clearly thinks they’re being clever and is angling for a promotion or reassignment to a more prestigious role when coming up with this stuff, but it’s not acceptable and shooters are sick of being used as a chew toy for political points or other agendas.

“The law might not have changed, but Weapons Licensing Branch’s behaviour certainly has, and it needs to stop.”

ENDS

[alexjones]

I did hear from a cop that nobody likes to be a cop and work in weapons licensing as it is a "dead end job" that leads nowhere inside the Queensland police institution. So whoever does work there are the losers of the public service.

[Bugman]

I did hear from a cop that nobody likes to be a cop and work in weapons licensing as it is a "dead end job" that leads nowhere inside the Queensland police institution. So whoever does work there are the losers of the public service.

mmm. Heard the same "rumour" about this with regard to NSW plods. Could be all states, couldn't it?

[alexjones]

I did hear from a cop that nobody likes to be a cop and work in weapons licensing as it is a "dead end job" that leads nowhere inside the Queensland police institution. So whoever does work there are the losers of the public service.

mmm. Heard the same "rumour" about this with regard to NSW plods. Could be all states, couldn't it?

I would think so mate. It is such a menial administrative task.

[bigrich]

Shooters Union Media Release - QLD Weapons Licensing Branch accused of misleading Police Minister's office

**MEDIA RELEASE**

QUEENSLAND POLICE SERVICE WEAPONS LICENSING BRANCH ACCUSED OF MISLEADING POLICE MINISTER’S OFFICE



The Queensland Police Service Weapons Licensing Branch (WLB) is being accused of misleading the Police Minister’s office, amid a change in behaviour which has seen licensed shooters applying for Permits to Acquire a rifle suddenly being asked to provide information which has otherwise not been requested for nearly three decades.

Shooters Union Australia has been contacted by dozens of shooters in the past few weeks reporting their applications for hunting rifles had been met with requests for considerably more information, including:

The name of the owner of the Queensland property they plan to shoot on

Details of the property outlining the size, terrain and locality of said property in Queensland

“Details of the population, density and frequency of feral animals that would require the use of this specific weapon”.

Initially these requests - which only began appearing in the past month or two - related to “big game” hunting rifles, but in the past week appear to have expanded to include all centrefire hunting rifles and even some shotguns, prompting outrage from the shooting community who have begun demanding explanations from Police Minister Dan Purdie, Customer Service Minister Steve Minnikin, and Premier David Crisafulli.

Shooters Union Australia president Graham Park said this information had never been requested as a matter of course from Permit To Acquire (PTA) applicants in the nearly 30 years since Queensland’s current firearms laws were introduced, and there was “absolutely zero” reason for Weapons Licensing to be wanting it now either.

“We, along with large numbers of our members, have contacted the Police Minister asking for this situation with “more information” for PTAs to stop,” he said.

“The Minister’s department has obviously sent “Please Explain” requests to WLB, and from what we gather, have been told that ‘nothing has changed’,” he said.

Mr Park said he believed the Police Minister was being truthful with shooters when he said there were no changes to the legislation, which suggested Weapons Licensing Branch were either misleading the Minister’s office or obfusticating the situation when questioned about it.

“We’ve had some very productive meetings with Mr Purdie and he has told us very clearly there have been no changes to the legislation and none are planned,” he said.

“However, it is clear that WLB have changed their behaviour and/or policies – which we believe amounts to more or less the same thing, practically speaking.

“There is absolutely zero reason or need for WLB to be wanting this sort of information as part of Permit To Acquire applications – if someone has a gun licence and wants a rifle for recreational shooting or hunting, that fact alone should be enough for WLB. It’s certainly been enough since the 1990s, and there’s no reason at all why it isn’t now.”

Mr Park explained that ever since Queensland’s current firearms laws were introduced in 1997, membership of a shooting club or organisation – such as Shooters Union or the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia – was enough to satisfy the Genuine Need to own a hunting rifle, especially due to the ad hoc way many shooters obtained permission to legally hunt on land.

“Many people who like to hunt or shoot recreationally do not have a “regular” property – they get invited to go hunting with friends, or they pay a farmer for access to their land for a few days, or something similar,” he said.

“A lot of shooters in Queensland also have an R-Licence for hunting in NSW’s State Forests, and travel down there regularly to shoot – something which is completely legal.

“These shooters all have an inarguable “genuine need” for their guns, but simply cannot provide the information Weapons Licensing Branch are demanding – and should not be requesting for firearm permits to begin with.”

Every person applying for a Permit To Acquire a firearm must already hold a valid firearms licence – and part of the application process for that is establishing a person’s genuine need to own firearms generally.

“A shooter has already established they need firearms for hunting when they were issued their licence; there’s no need to go over it again in detail every time they want to buy a rifle,” Mr Park said.

“Someone at Weapons Licensing Branch clearly thinks they’re being clever and is angling for a promotion or reassignment to a more prestigious role when coming up with this stuff, but it’s not acceptable and shooters are sick of being used as a chew toy for political points or other agendas.

“The law might not have changed, but Weapons Licensing Branch’s behaviour certainly has, and it needs to stop.”

ENDS

thanks very much for posting that . the more information that's made public for a clearer picture , the better . i've been thinking about getting a 30-06 rifle and rebarreling it to 35 whelen for big game competition AND hunting, as there are many suitable bullets for lighter game in 35 cal . or does weapons licensing want me to buy more guns for each individual use

[GQshayne]

I saw a copy of a Qld letter just like is mentioned above, dated the 8th April (PTA was for a 6.5CM for a shooter with exisitng firearms). It seemed to be similar to what Blade has stated he has had to do in his state - give a reason why he needs it. The letter to the firearm owner makes mention of specific sections of legislation that require this to be clarified. But as Shooters Union has said, this has not been asked of us before. I have 3 rifles in the same calibre and this was not questioned, yet they state this will be another reason for further queries.

[alexjones]

If you have a few pistols in the same calibre you get asked each PTA for more info.

[Billo]

I did hear from a cop that nobody likes to be a cop and work in weapons licensing as it is a "dead end job" that leads nowhere inside the Queensland police institution. So whoever does work there are the losers of the public service.

What are you smoking sunshine, I read your delusional rants and have no idea what planet you are from

[alexjones]

I did hear from a cop that nobody likes to be a cop and work in weapons licensing as it is a "dead end job" that leads nowhere inside the Queensland police institution. So whoever does work there are the losers of the public service.

What are you smoking sunshine, I read your delusional rants and have no idea what planet you are from

How is something I was told delusional? It happened so it is was lucid in reality.

[bigrich]

I did hear from a cop that nobody likes to be a cop and work in weapons licensing as it is a "dead end job" that leads nowhere inside the Queensland police institution. So whoever does work there are the losers of the public service.

What are you smoking sunshine, I read your delusional rants and have no idea what planet you are from

How is something I was told delusional? It happened so it is was lucid in reality.

some people just don't like any other opinion than their own , personally i prefer constructive debate to personal insults and baiting .

[Wapiti]

Funny how with some people, even links to press releases where actual letters from WL are shown to suddenly enforce certain restrictive use requirements for previously flexible use hasn't convinced some people. There has been enough evidence given if people care to look.
It's almost as if it's deliberate from some people. Maybe it's the "I'll see what I want to see" affliction, maybe it's dyslexia.

People who are proven "fit and proper persons" should not have a public servant on a personal crusade decide whether that firearm can be used both on a range, or for a possible hunting experience in the future just because they cannot provide a form from a landowner.
These people have every right to criticise low self-esteem bullies hiding within the "public service" who are using their positions to interpret existing laws differently and lawfully as they have been for 20 years.

[bigrich]

Funny how with some people, even links to press releases where actual letters from WL are shown to suddenly enforce certain restrictive use requirements for previously flexible use hasn't convinced some people. There has been enough evidence given if people care to look.
It's almost as if it's deliberate from some people. Maybe it's the "I'll see what I want to see" affliction, maybe it's dyslexia.

People who are proven "fit and proper persons" should not have a public servant on a personal crusade decide whether that firearm can be used both on a range, or for a possible hunting experience in the future just because they cannot provide a form from a landowner.
These people have every right to criticise low self-esteem bullies hiding within the "public service" who are using their positions to interpret existing laws differently and lawfully as they have been for 20 years.

agree 1000%

[alexjones]

I remember there were scum bags even in 1996 who were so happy to hand their guns in. Like handing in their sportsco 22 or pump shotgun would somehow save the world. This self loathing mentality is rife in comme minded people.

[Wapiti]

I did hear from a cop that nobody likes to be a cop and work in weapons licensing as it is a "dead end job" that leads nowhere inside the Queensland police institution. So whoever does work there are the losers of the public service.

What are you smoking sunshine, I read your delusional rants and have no idea what planet you are from

How is something I was told delusional? It happened so it is was lucid in reality.

some people just don't like any other opinion than their own , personally i prefer constructive debate to personal insults and baiting .

Tell me about it!
You bang on about everyone pulling together, there shouldn't be any restrictions on firearms classes for people who've already proven to be "fit and proper persons", and people seem to completely ignore your clear views.
Personally, these people are nothing, and never give in to people looking for excuses. But hey, it's the internet, where you get to see just which way the vortex spins as it goes down the drain.

[Wapiti]

I remember there were scum bags even in 1996 who were so happy to hand their guns in. Like handing in their sportsco 22 or pump shotgun would somehow save the world. This self loathing mentality is rife in comme minded people.

Those of us who saw it will never forgive those 'Fudds" who snuck off to look after themselves back in '96.
I was using a semi-auto for rural culling work, and solely due to the cowardice of the bulk of firearms users who scurried like cockroaches to hide when the lights were turned on and look after themselves. Back then, you had to hand the firearm in to be crushed, or to be sold out the back door of the cop-shop, and fight for years until the laws were reinterpreted, but your posessions were forcibly taken by then forever.
Whenever we see this cr@p come up even now, it makes us angry. The Fudds will never understand this.

They are only interested in themselves and pretend to be 'one of the boys".
Sh*t like, "want and need are two different things" and, "I only ever use one bullet, so I'm superior" are exactly what we're on about and should never be tolerated.

The enemy within. And if that upsets some, well, you are what I'm talking about.

[bigrich]

Tell me about it!
You bang on about everyone pulling together, there shouldn't be any restrictions on firearms classes for people who've already proven to be "fit and proper persons", and people seem to completely ignore your clear views.
Personally, these people are nothing, and never give in to people looking for excuses. But hey, it's the internet, where you get to see just which way the vortex spins as it goes down the drain.

before all this internet /facebook world it was a simpler place . go back a few generations people went to church , and were reminded of morale Christian principles . i'm not really religious but these principles are what western society is built on . respect, empathy , helping your neighbour , ect .
on the internet people say what they want and get away with it . it brings out the worst characteristics in some . if some of the behaviour i've seen on the internet happened in the real world it'd result in a smack in the mouth . not that i'm advocating physical violence ....

the internet is like pandora's box , people can find supposed facts to back any opinions and views they have . flat earth anyone ? QAnon research that one in some ways the internet is having a negative effect on society in my opinion . i was born in 1969 and i've seen this country change a lot . change is inevitable , but a lot of it is not good . the leftist/woke mentality adopted by the mainstream is not good and we're going backwards as a nation. you've only got to look at the cost of living and housing to see this. to be concerned and patriotic is viewed as "right wing" by a lot of inner city types . thankfully the covid cr@p started to wake people up and i'm hopeful of change . standing up to WLB is a small part of what needs to happen and i'm encouraged by a lot of fellow australians for stepping up .

UP AUSTRALIA !

[Billo]

I remember there were scum bags even in 1996 who were so happy to hand their guns in. Like handing in their sportsco 22 or pump shotgun would somehow save the world. This self loathing mentality is rife in comme minded people.

Sum Bags and Commies hey

A Strong organised community in NSW, no problem owning a semi in NSW is you have a need, heck Ive had 2 50 Cals and and stil shoot one of them at a SSAA range. Nothing wrong in NSW.

Its funny how you come from the state that Had the first Communist Party in Oz

[bigrich]

I remember there were scum bags even in 1996 who were so happy to hand their guns in. Like handing in their sportsco 22 or pump shotgun would somehow save the world. This self loathing mentality is rife in comme minded people.

Sum Bags and Commies hey

A Strong organised community in NSW, no problem owning a semi in NSW is you have a need, heck Ive had 2 50 Cals and and stil shoot one of them at a SSAA range. Nothing wrong in NSW.

Its funny how you come from the state that Had the first Communist Party in Oz

you mean the labor party right no disagreement there mate

[Wapiti]

I remember there were scum bags even in 1996 . Please so happy to hand their guns in. Like handing in their sportsco 22 or pump shotgun would somehow save the world. This self loathing mentality is rife in comme minded people.

Sum Bags and Commies hey

A Strong organised community in NSW, no problem owning a semi in NSW is you have a need, heck Ive had 2 50 Cals and and stil shoot one of them at a SSAA range. Nothing wrong in NSW.

Its funny how you come from the state that Had the first Communist Party in Oz

Got any tips on how NSW farmers can get access/licences to get a D class centrefire? A few mates of mine in NSW over the border cannot get a D licence and they have the same circumstances as I do and bucket loads of proof.
They tell me they can not get a D class in NSW and were told none are issued there for quite some time. Please elaborate for me so I can help them.

[bigrich]

A Strong organised community in NSW, no problem owning a semi in NSW is you have a need, heck Ive had 2 50 Cals and and stil shoot one of them at a SSAA range. Nothing wrong in NSW.

wait for it mate , the firearms laws in this country have started creeping again

[alexjones]

Old mate is proper delusional as he can't see the tyranny creeping. Maybe in his mind he is living in 1987. Bless him as that was a simpler more elegant time.

When my grandfather was alive he had dementia and when my nephew said to him he is getting a 1911 he replied "make sure you pay the sergeant at the police station his money so you don't get in trouble". Now whatever time he was remembering in his mind that was a more elegant time.

[Billo]

I did hear from a cop that nobody likes to be a cop and work in weapons licensing as it is a "dead end job" that leads nowhere inside the Queensland police institution. So whoever does work there are the losers of the public service.

What are you smoking sunshine, I read your delusional rants and have no idea what planet you are from

How is something I was told delusional? It happened so it is was lucid in reality.

You clearly have no idea on how the Police operate, they like to give workers a broad range of experiences on the Job, you dont get pigeon holed in dead end jobs unles they no longer want you on the force. My brother is a serving officer so I'll call out your BS when I read it.

[bigrich]

I did hear from a cop that nobody likes to be a cop and work in weapons licensing as it is a "dead end job" that leads nowhere inside the Queensland police institution. So whoever does work there are the losers of the public service.

What are you smoking sunshine, I read your delusional rants and have no idea what planet you are from

How is something I was told delusional? It happened so it is was lucid in reality.

You clearly have no idea on how the Police operate, they like to give workers a broad range of experiences on the Job, you dont get pigeon holed in dead end jobs unles they no longer want you on the force. My brother is a serving officer so I'll call out your BS when I read it.

i could be mistaken , but in QLD i think they recently went from WLB being staffed by police to public servants with clearance for those duties . can anyone shed light on this ? how NSW WLB operate might be different to QLD . the states have variation in firearms laws and their administration . a great quirk of QLD is the "like for like".

[alexjones]

I did hear from a cop that nobody likes to be a cop and work in weapons licensing as it is a "dead end job" that leads nowhere inside the Queensland police institution. So whoever does work there are the losers of the public service.

What are you smoking sunshine, I read your delusional rants and have no idea what planet you are from

How is something I was told delusional? It happened so it is was lucid in reality.

You clearly have no idea on how the Police operate, they like to give workers a broad range of experiences on the Job, you dont get pigeon holed in dead end jobs unles they no longer want you on the force. My brother is a serving officer so I'll call out your BS when I read it.

Ok so your brother is the arbiter of truth, got it. Queensland weapons licensing is a go nowhere job that leads to zero advancement. That's the reality.

[alexjones]

i could be mistaken , but in QLD i think they recently went from WLB being staffed by police to public servants with clearance for those duties . can anyone shed light on this ? how NSW WLB operate might be different to QLD . the states have variation in firearms laws and their administration . a great quirk of QLD is the "like for like".

Yes pretty much most staff are not police.

[geoff]

The actual administering of the licensing system is ultimately not actually police business

It's admin work at best

[Wapiti]

Some info on this topic from the Shooters Union professional shooting representative in Qld.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM5X9dxvLS0

[JohnV]

I got an email from SSAA Qld today. They clearly stated that these claims are false, and are not an issue.

Yeah, me too. I got the same email.

i've got a email from the fella who runs the big game comp at ripley QLD who's said the same as wapati , that pta approval is for one class of shooting only , sports at the range or recreational . not both .pending approval.... i reckon the fella running the comp would know . i know for a fact one of the guys in that comp needed a letter from the club for a rifle , and he's currently state champ in that class . i'm a ssaa member but i don't trust the leadership of the club . which is why i'm a shooters union member and support politics reloaded . step up now fellas as wapati has suggested . for the cost of a carton of beer membership to a shooting advocate group otherwise WA type restrictions are going to spread if changes to weapons licensing go unchallenged . act now

That may not be consistent with the Gun Laws . Your supposed to be able to practice at a range so you can be a proficient and safe recreational shooter . Putting a restriction of only one class of shooting on a PTA for a certain caliber goes against that part of the Act . Get lawyers onto it and take the Police commissioner to court . He can only make extra regulations that are consistent with the Act .