Suppressors _ Queensland

[No1_49er]

Hot off the press, so to say.
This just in to my mailbox - a petition re' suppressors. Qld Specific.

https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Work- ... ls/4428-26

Open until 01 July. Get signing, folks.

[alexjones]

Hopefully Pauline or Katter or both pick this up. Whilst they are federal and this is a state issue they have big platforms that will help the issue spread. Not to mention they are the two greatest Queensland politicians.

[alexjones]

I actually think Bob Katter is the greatest politician in this federations recent history.

Let’s let the blossoms bloom!

[Wapiti]

Yes we all look forward to realistic and sane laws in Qld, Shooters union along with Agforce and a few very dedicated professional users have been pushing this since the last pathetic state govt here. The failures with Labor down south has slowed this right down with all the public outrage needing to fight elsewhere.

Signing this petition takes no time, costs you nothing and even if you wouldn't or couldn't see the need for one of these tools yourself, please do it for the reasons of sticking together and joining in with those of us who would really benefit.
Who knows, maybe we will see some more political sanity and a change for the future.

[deye243]

Lifted this off another forum no I don't have a link but every politician in this so-called great country should be made to read this when the Poms can come up with this what the hell is wrong with us

Following amendment going forward under the crime and Policing Bill, which is in the final stages before Royal Assent.......

Firearms licensing: sound moderators (new clause “Application of Firearms Acts to sound moderators” and new Schedule “Sound Moderators: Exemptions” and amendment to clause 200)
In June 2025, the government announced that we would remove sound moderators from firearms licensing controls as these items are a firearms accessory that present no danger in themselves to the public. Any potential public safety risk would instead be managed through a requirement to have a valid firearms certificate in order to lawfully possess a sound moderator; and possession of a sound moderator in the absence of a firearms certificate would be a criminal offence unless an exemption applies.


As of early 2024, there were approximately
198,602 sound moderators officially listed on, and covered by, firearm certificates (FACs) in England, Wales, and Scotland.

[Billo]

I actually think Bob Katter is the greatest politician in this federations recent history.

Let’s let the blossoms bloom!

Funny stuff but Martin Bella seems to think otherwise, Katter has had more than a few tantrums and has even threaten to sue Martin, seems Katter is of the thin skin variety

[Willie]

Suppressors? Can't see them becoming legal in any state, any time soon. Shame, though.

[Wapiti]

Obviously some people aren't waiting for the laws to have some sanity, my wife told me that a property owner in our shire very recently was busted by the police for having a home-made suppressor and has been charged over it and lost his license and worse to come.
It's a shame that some people feel the need to do this themselves and risk such offences and probably nasty legal outcomes, in deciding he's not waiting for city politicians with no idea about what these blokes put up with on a daily basis.
Me, stuff that, I'll hope and wait for the laws to change, if they ever see sanity here and can look past the crap that they'll cop federally for daring to treat shooters and farmers/businesspeople with respect.
Now that we've thrown out the sickening scourge that is Labor here in Qld, we have a chance. Hopefully this state govt that has proved that it treats its people with some respect as far as firearms goes, that they can get past the huge pressure from the socialist monsters federally to actually give outdoorspeople a break, and ignore the pressure from other states intent on continuing to screw us.
Those who haven't done so who are actual firearms owners here, please sign the petition. It shows the govt that people are asking for some sanity.

[alexjones]

Its a solvent trap not a suppressor

[CJRBOLTGUN1]

I actually think Bob Katter is the greatest politician in this federations recent history.

Let’s let the blossoms bloom!

Funny stuff but Martin Bella seems to think otherwise, Katter has had more than a few tantrums and has even threaten to sue Martin, seems Katter is of the thin skin variety

Martin is a top tier clown ,some of the garbage hes been presenting on spewtube is as lefttard as it comes hasbin wanker,edit ,thats a bit harsh just a regular clown

[No1_49er]

As of early 2024, there were approximately
198,602 sound moderators officially listed on, and covered by, firearm certificates (FACs) in England, Wales, and Scotland.

198,602 is a precise number, NOT approximately.

Isn't it "interesting" that a precise (?) figure can be given for the number of sound moderators that are covered by FACs in the UK. That, presumably, is because they're all registered.
Contrast that to the situation of NZ firearms owners.
Sound moderators / suppressors are entirely unregulated. No serial numbers, no "permit to possess" required - just go and buy one, else you be considered a social pariah for making so much f^king noise!
Perhaps that is a sign of a more mature attitude toward certain aspects of lawful firearms ownership and usage?
And in that regard, I don't believe that there are any statistics maintained as to the usage of "silencers" being used in criminal activity.

[bigrich]

signed , hope it gets up

[deye243]

As of early 2024, there were approximately
198,602 sound moderators officially listed on, and covered by, firearm certificates (FACs) in England, Wales, and Scotland.

198,602 is a precise number, NOT approximately.

Isn't it "interesting" that a precise (?) figure can be given for the number of sound moderators that are covered by FACs in the UK. That, presumably, is because they're all registered.
Contrast that to the situation of NZ firearms owners.
Sound moderators / suppressors are entirely unregulated. No serial numbers, no "permit to possess" required - just go and buy one, else you be considered a social pariah for making so much f^king noise!
Perhaps that is a sign of a more mature attitude toward certain aspects of lawful firearms ownership and usage?
And in that regard, I don't believe that there are any statistics maintained as to the usage of "silencers" being used in criminal activity.

I know quite a few kiwis and I've worked with several over my lifetime the one thing is different about New Zealand than here is it's more broadly accepted that hunting is part of white culture as well as black it's what I tell everybody around me who wants to know it's not just a black thing it's just as much in grained in the proper white man as it is everybody else

[alexjones]

198k suppressors in the UK? Thats good considering there is around 550k registered rifles in the UK.

[Bugman]

I have used one in NZ. Helped my hearing on the day. Shame there is no viable logic to deny the use of them here.

[Die Judicii]

I have used one in NZ. Helped my hearing on the day. Shame there is no viable logic to deny the use of them here.

Ahh yes,, I had one for many years (back when they were called "silencers") up till one day some-one told me that they had been banned a few years prior.

When I was a teenager, I never read newspapers, or listened to the news.
So, I ended up throwing it in a river.

But in hindsight maybe I should've kept it,,,,,,,, cos I wouldn't be as deaf now as I am.

[Wapiti]

Something for you blokes interested in gadgets that do work... Yes these things aren't suppressors nor are they those flimsy blast jacket/muzzlebrake things out there.
These take the concussion blast that lifts your hair and blows coke cans off the shooting bench.
The noise is still there and hearing protection is still essential, but without that shockwave from short barrelled rifles.

We use one on a 16" barrel 308 and a 223 as well, and my wife and I can attest to the difference they make to someone sitting next to you in a SxS or vehicle.
These ones are made in USA by PWS, and suit the rifles of the same name here but come in 5/8x24 and 1/2x18.
The .30 cal one here, pictured, works way better on a 300BO than on 308, but there's way less gas in that cartridge.
Again, NOT a suppressor and legal here in Qld.
Hint: they work VERY WELL on a 22LR and cause enough backpressure to allow subs to cycle that normally wouldn't have enough ooomph to operate a cat C .22.
In a centrefire self-ejecting rifle, turn the gas down one setting from standard as the blast pressure being held in the unit raises the gas pressure operating the action system.

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You can unscrew them to clean, here you can see the chamber inside.
Unlike normal tube blast diverters open at the front, these contain and trap some of the initial concussion.

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Don't rubbish them, they do a job and aren't for everyone. Again, in no way can you expect them to do the job of a way larger suppressor, but we haven't that option here right now, and I have doubts that we ever will.
But again, LEGAL here, and work the same as a brake in reducing recoil by providing a surface for the muzzle gas to hit and pull the rifle forward, without the huge concussion of good brakes. And PWS make good stuff.
Will your day go on without one? Yep.

[bigrich]

I have used one in NZ. Helped my hearing on the day. Shame there is no viable logic to deny the use of them here.

Ahh yes,, I had one for many years (back when they were called "silencers") up till one day some-one told me that they had been banned a few years prior.

When I was a teenager, I never read newspapers, or listened to the news.
So, I ended up throwing it in a river.

But in hindsight maybe I should've kept it,,,,,,,, cos I wouldn't be as deaf now as I am.

talking about hearing , i was out on a property and saw a massive boar running off from the opposite side of my toyota . i'd been trying to nail this cunning barstard for a while . so i just reacted and pulled my rifle up off the passenger seat , chambered a round and shot him through the open passenger window using the passenger seat to lean on . barrel was still well inside the car , my ears were ringing for hours , lucky that the muzzle blast from that 30-06 didn't wreck my windscreen . live and learn i guess

[Wapiti]

Muzzle blast from a 300RUM of mine smashed the windscreen if my work Hilux. I was leaning over the bonnet shooting away from it at 45'. That was a surprise. Maybe there's merit to the Manbun after all.

[bigrich]

Muzzle blast from a 300RUM of mine smashed the windscreen if my work Hilux. I was leaning over the bonnet shooting away from it at 45'. That was a surprise. Maybe there's merit to the Manbun after all.

digressing a bit off topic , but i've hunted with 6.5's , and i'll leave them alone for general use. i've had 6.5x55's that loaded hot worked OK . i bought a tikka in man bun and trialled a few different projectiles . the most effective in general use was the 120 nosler bt , the man bun didn't have enough speed with heavier projectiles for good projectile performance in my experience, 129sst's being one of a few i tried . 6.5's have long for calibre bullets that are great for long distance accuracy , but the high sectional density means they pencil through on occasion , and/or don't have enough calibre width for energy transfer at times . the recent way of achieving good wounding in 6.5's is the soft eldx projectiles from Hornady in the man bun . the swede worked good with 140 sst's , bit more velocity from the swede which helps .
these are my views based on my personal experiences , others will have different opinions . these days i mainly use 308 with 150sst . big or small goats and pigs they drop everything with no fuss . tail on shots on big pigs don't kill outright , but their not in any condition to move much. 7-08 was like a improved version of the swede , excellent accuracy with 150bt's at a moderate chrono-ed speed of 2625 in a t3 tikka and very good penetration , but good projectile performance on even smallish pigs and goats. knocked over a big red stag years back with 150 accubond , complete penetration at close to 200 meters with excellent internal wounding , . bigger case of my 7x57 should add speed over 7mm-08 for expected improvement on game . energy transfer from 30-06 is even better , less sectional density, more bore width. 358 win with soft 225gn game kings was better again within 150 meters . JMHO , others will have theirs

[Wapiti]

Thread creep?
Yep, a neighbour who has to have the latest and greatest and just falls for every "marketing in action" fad out there, bought a 6.5 PRC and told the district that he was way in front of us all in gear and tech. He then went on to shoot a few dogs and show everyone the video from his (also only for pose) thermal scope that cannot be allowed to be on without the video recording being on as well, so he has something to show us all. Trouble is, it's all video of animals jumping into the air when they are hit by the long skinny projectiles and running off. "Ah, but they will die eventually" what a hero's rifle choice!
Now there's no doubt that this big case stripping out the rifling in a 1000 shots isn't able to be very effective with correct projectiles, or even that it's any more effective than the 6.5x55 from 100 years ago that's probably better suited, with correct projectiles of course, and still around.
Lots of back slapping and empty stubbies being tossed.
He was the same when he bought his 204 Ruger, suddenly everything traditional we all had and was very effective was no good and he was going to show us all how it's done, I went out one night with him when he went to show me that his previous 223 was inferior, well let's just say that I was appalled at either his ego affecting his shooting ability, or the cartridges tiny bullets when not exactly planted in the perfect spot, caused terrible cruel wounds. Anyone who shoots in the bush knows that it's not a rifle range, with a steady sandbag rest, no engine running and plenty of time watching wind flags.
Now it seems, he's ditched it because of the 3x the price of 223 in the shops, and most others have dropped the fad entirely. But then pays for 6.5 manbun-on-steroids and is trying to justify this.
I'm sure these cartridges are no worse than others out there, certainly they have the numbers on paper. But what he's using them for isn't on paper, and specs don't make for a great racecar.
Thing is, his choice is his prerogative. The industry cogs must keep turning, and people need to keep looking for the best rat trap.

[Willie]

Just a thought. Me thinks that if any state would have a chance of allowing suppressors in the current climate, It would be QLD.
Just my opinion, mind.

[Bugman]

Just a thought. Me thinks that if any state would have a chance of allowing suppressors in the current climate, It would be QLD.
Just my opinion, mind.

Sounds feasible to me under the current QLD political climate.

[Damo300]

I really hope so.
It's time to let the adults make the decisions again.

[Wapiti]

Well get in there, sign the petition and send an email to your local member if he's LNP, pointless if he's a Labor cave dweller.
We've been pushing this since the dark days of Palasckuk and Miles.
Political pressure gets results at times, maybe we can stay on a roll up here.

[Damo300]

Done done and done.

I also email my local member regarding public land hunting.
Just a quick reminder that hunters from QLD travel extensive kilometres to hunt in other states, taking revenue over the borders and driving past thousands of hectares of crown land that could potentially hold big numbers of pest species.


Would be good to see QLD get onbaord with public land hunting using suppressors.
Lets be adults again.

[alexjones]

Just a thought. Me thinks that if any state would have a chance of allowing suppressors in the current climate, It would be QLD.
Just my opinion, mind.

In regards to cat D usage QLD has the worst laws. NSW cat D laws are way better. NSW allows suppressor use QLD does not. Also QLD only allows 2 cat D whilst NSW allows unlimited.

It is easier to get a cat D in QLD though compared to NSW.

[Wapiti]

My mate straight across the border into NSW, cannot get consideration to get D category firearms for primary production use.
Primary Producers are, in reality, the first people that should get access, because their circumstances of need are constant, not part time vistors to these issues. Yet we know people in NSW that call themselves "pest shooters" that have had these firearms approved, but are basically part time shooters, who are never there like the farmer is, constantly living the problems. They come and go when it's convenient for their time schedules, while the farmer watches his profits get trashed and has to work all day then run around all night with less suited firearms.

This isn't a shot at the part timers, good for them. It's me having a go at the ridiculous ways the laws are interpreted and applied by people warming seats who have no idea about what goes on in real life. Oh, I've gone camping, or holiday in the regions sometimes, I know about what farmers need.

Just like suppressors, the fact that people on the land basically have to beg and basically put together personal PHD's to prove to have what's basically temporary access to certain firearms that are way in front of what seat warmers think when it comes to what they need for their businesses, decided by beaurocrats pushing city-perverted agendas is just pathetic.

[Wapiti]

So have all the Queenslanders with time to be commenting on forums also sent off emails to their respective politicians too?

[tuknal]

[quote="Willie"]Suppressors? Can't see them becoming legal in any state, any time soon. Shame, though.[/quote

they are already legal in NSW /ACT and i think VIC not sure about the rest of the country
just need to prove need and get the permit ,,