Metalmik84 wrote:Hi everyone!
One of the main reasons i want to get back into doing some shooting is because it's a skill I would really like to teach my children.
From my understanding in Victoria you can apply for a junior licence at age 12 which is the youngest they can legally shoot. What I can't find much info on is whether I can teach them about gun safety, handling, maintenance etc before that age.
Can anyone clarify where things stand in that regard?
Metalmik84 wrote:Cheers bladeracer!
I assumed that was the case but had my fingers crossed for a little more leniency. I think it's a shame children can't be educated with the real thing younger but it is what it is I guess.
brett1868 wrote:12 in NSW but nothing saying you can't pretend Nerf guns are real and use them for training purposes.
marksman wrote:I promote that you should teach your children to handle firearms safely if you have them in your home
let them explore them safely and get rid of the fascination they have so you know they will not be trying to have sneaky peeks when you don't know about it
there is no law in Vic that says they cannot be taught firearm safety or handle the firearms under the age of 12
the only law is that they must be 12 to be able to shoot a firearm at a legal shooting range under the supervision of a licenced adult and must have a junior permit to hunt or take part in competition shooting under the supervision of a licenced adult
don't make it a taboo, let firearms and firearm safety be a norm for them
Stix wrote:Im unaware of any law dictating kids under 10 or 12 cant shoot when on private property under supervision.
& Im with marksman all the way...!!!
The best thing we can do is teach them the respect young, & you can get them behind the firearms on private property...!
Absolutely nothing wrong with under 10y/o's busting beer cans with a .22lr & shooting their first bunny...!!
Not only was i head shooting bunnys at 100yds well & truely by age 12 through open sights on a sportco .22lr...i was helping dress out the days kill too, not to mention stripping & cleaning rifles.
Give young kids a confidence & respect for firearms from young...rather than the fear the uneducated have...
Bent Arrow wrote:Apologies to the OP for the hijack from Vic to SA, but from the SA Act
bladeracer wrote:Bent Arrow wrote:Apologies to the OP for the hijack from Vic to SA, but from the SA Act
Thanks for that BA.
So they can be supervised at approved ranges, but not elsewhere?
And only Cat A or air pistol?
bladeracer wrote:Stix wrote:Im unaware of any law dictating kids under 10 or 12 cant shoot when on private property under supervision.
& Im with marksman all the way...!!!
The best thing we can do is teach them the respect young, & you can get them behind the firearms on private property...!
Absolutely nothing wrong with under 10y/o's busting beer cans with a .22lr & shooting their first bunny...!!
Not only was i head shooting bunnys at 100yds well & truely by age 12 through open sights on a sportco .22lr...i was helping dress out the days kill too, not to mention stripping & cleaning rifles.
Give young kids a confidence & respect for firearms from young...rather than the fear the uneducated have...
I went through the SA Act and Regulations and I can't find anything that makes kids exempt from requiring a licence to handle firearms. The nearest I can find is this:
bladeracer wrote:marksman wrote:I promote that you should teach your children to handle firearms safely if you have them in your home
let them explore them safely and get rid of the fascination they have so you know they will not be trying to have sneaky peeks when you don't know about it
there is no law in Vic that says they cannot be taught firearm safety or handle the firearms under the age of 12
the only law is that they must be 12 to be able to shoot a firearm at a legal shooting range under the supervision of a licenced adult and must have a junior permit to hunt or take part in competition shooting under the supervision of a licenced adult
don't make it a taboo, let firearms and firearm safety be a norm for them
Wouldn't a child be considered "any unauthorised person", thus you cannot allow them access to your firearms and ammunition? Even unlicenced adults are prohibited from handling firearms or ammunition except under supervision at an approved range...
8 (2)
...
(g) (junior shooters on grounds of shooting club)
the possession or use of a category A, B or H firearm by a person 10 years of age or more but under the age of 18 years on the grounds of a shooting club for the purpose of shooting in a manner authorised by the club, provided that:
(i)
the person is a member of a shooting club; and
(ii)
the person is (with the consent of his or her parent or guardian) with, and is under the continuous supervision of, a recognised coach who holds a firearms licence authorising possession of the firearm for the purpose for which it is being used; or
...
(q)
(supervised use by 14 to 18 year-olds)
the possession or use of a category A, B or H firearm by a person 14 years of age or more but under the age of 18 years if:
(i)
the person is with, and is under the continuous supervision of, his or her parent or guardian or some other person approved by his or her parent or guardian; and
(ii)
the person providing the supervision holds a firearms licence authorising possession of the firearm for the purpose for which it is being used; or
(r)
(supervised use by 10 to 14 year-olds)
the possession or use of a category A firearm or an air handgun by a person 10 years of age or more but under the age of 14 years if:
(i)
the person is with, and is under the continuous supervision of, his or her parent or guardian or some other person approved by his or her parent or guardian; and
(ii)
the person providing the supervision holds a firearms licence authorising possession of the firearm for the purpose for which it is being used; or
I was under the impression only NSW has a rule requiring all people using a firearm to have a license.
brett1868 wrote:I was under the impression only NSW has a rule requiring all people using a firearm to have a license.
Not quite mate, In NSW any fit and proper person over the age of 12 can shoot without a license so long as they sign a P650, are on an approved range, under instruction and / or undertaking a firearm's safety training course. This is the legal method used for the "Try Shooting" programs run by various organisations such as the SSAA. I volunteer 2 hrs every Saturday morning working with kids aged 12-17 in the SSAA's Junior Development Program at St Mary's Indoor Range and many of the kids are still under a P650 till their permits come through. My son got his Minor's firearms Training permit for Cat A & B a month after turning 12 and his Cat H permit 4 months later. He's booked in for graduation June 12th and will be a full member of the St Mary's Pistol Club and finally can shoot with me or Wylie27. I'll probably get Wylie27 to coach him a bit as they are both lefties and I want him learning from all different people.
Here's the boy with his 2nd place medal that he won in a 300m competition shooting the 6.5 Hipster
Good stuff. Still, you can't take your kids out hunting can you?