Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Sergeant Hartman » 13 Jan 2020, 9:11 pm

Honestly though... why don't you ring your local DFO, have a chat to them, find out what they would like you to do.

Simples
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 14 Jan 2020, 6:43 pm

My friend who got me into shooting
He's a great guy
He's a fantastic guy
Unfortunately though
His daughter suffers from depression/bi-polar
He told me that he cannot afford to "just hide the keys" somewhere in the house
Because if his daughter ever were to stumble across his safe keys by accident, then a tragedy could happen
So he has no choice but to store his keys into a safe of their own

Personally for me
I'm a big fan of locking up your keys into a safe of their own
Not only is it the most secure way of securing your safe and firearms away from any unauthorised access/person
But you would also then be one thousand percent on the side of the law

This safe right here from bunnings is only $40
https://www.bunnings.com.au/sandleford- ... e_p4220419

Of course everyone is different and has different perspectives
But for me, having absolute peace of mind for $40
To me it's worth it
:)
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Sergeant Hartman » 14 Jan 2020, 6:52 pm

How can you have absolute piece of mind from a thing worth 40 bucks.... considering it cost Bunnings probably 25-30. Which includes a profit for the importer... do China probably made it for 10 bucks.

More importantly, you are so confident of a ten buck item, it probably would take someone with a hammer or an angle grinder about 2 minutes to break into the box.
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 14 Jan 2020, 7:08 pm

That safe from bunnings, it's actually pretty good quality Ziad
It's pretty solid
(I went to check it out this afternoon)
You can even bolt it to the frame of your house as well or into the concrete of your house and everything
It's pretty cool
And like the OP said Ziad (from what I understand) she's just trying to keep her boyfriend away from playing with her firearms when she's not home
Hence why she's trying to secure her keys to the best of her ability
She's also trying to show the police that her keys are fully secured as well
(Trying to show that she's following the letter of the law to the T)
In which case, for her to secure her keys into a safe of their own
I think that achieves the purpose that she's after
:)
No need to be so negative bro!
Relax
Have a beer!
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Ferrisweil » 14 Jan 2020, 7:28 pm

Just hide them in an old toilet roll next to the brush.
A) no bloke is gonna look there
B) no crim is gonna look there
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Sergeant Hartman » 14 Jan 2020, 7:40 pm

she is trying to hide it from her BF....hmm i don't think that was the case.

But if she explains to the BF that's its illegal for him to know where the keys are, or open the safe and if cops found out, she likely will lose her firearms and goto court.

And he still does it.... i reckon hes not the type of person to know let alone have as a BF. Being in a relationship involved respecting boundaries... maybe you don't know that, with time my little padwan you will understand
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Blr243 » 14 Jan 2020, 7:53 pm

If I were a burglar and I found a small locked box inside somebody s wardrobe or whatever I would either take the box home to open because I’m keen to see what it contains or I would try to get that box open with a screwdriver immediately. So there’s 50 per cent chance that you have just given the burglar access to your gun safe Most cupboards or drawer units or bathroom vanity cabinets have out of sight nooks and crannies where you could hide a key. Pull out a drawer and feel around inside there and u are bound to find a spot where you could jam or tape a key
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Sergeant Hartman » 14 Jan 2020, 8:00 pm

Yep, how about taping it to the back of the kitchen cupboards... a robber will have no time to look through your pots and pan.
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by NewShooterGirl » 14 Jan 2020, 8:19 pm

Woah, take a chill pill guys.. I honestly do see the benefits of both sides of the argument. Personally, i'm not a big fan of hiding my keys somewhere in the house either. Sometimes I do the cleaning, sometimes my boyfriend does the cleaning, when he does do the cleaning, there is a chance he could stumble across my keys by accident, id rather avoid that altogether. I'm sure you guys know the curiosity that non-licensed people have for firearms. For a non-licensed person, firearms would be very intriguing. So Id rather take that temptation away completely. Its gonna give me greater peace of mind for when i'm not home. So I do see the benefit of storing your keys inside a safe of their own where only I would know the pin code of it. I could always place that safe in my walking wardrobe or laundry (it's only small) I could easily hide it with clothes in front of it or with detergent in front of it (if its in the laundry). I could even bolt it to the frame of my house as well through the studs. It's only 2x screws. Easy peasy. Problem solved. Keys 100% secured. Bolted to the wall. Hidden. And no one has access to it. There's no need to fight guys :lol:
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 14 Jan 2020, 8:31 pm

My friend
The one who got me into shooting
The one who's daughter has depression/bi polar
He told me that storing his keys inside a digital safe of their own is the best decision he ever made for peace of mind

I personally store my keys inside a safe as well
And I love it
It's just so much easier (I find)
It really can't hurt

Good luck
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Ferrisweil » 14 Jan 2020, 8:39 pm

I’ve got a theory. I reckon “newshootergirl” and “TheFirearmEnthusiast” are the same person??
If not, guys should move in with each other and play “hide the safe key”.
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 14 Jan 2020, 8:44 pm

Ferrisweil;
Lol there's no need for me to move in with "NewShooterGirl"
I'm trying to get my girlfriend to get into shooting so that we can go hunting together
I took her shooting once but she didn't like it
I'll persevere though
Hopefully one day
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by NewShooterGirl » 14 Jan 2020, 8:47 pm

:lol: seriously guys, take a chill pill. Let's just accept the fact that everyone has got their own preferences when it comes to securing their keys and let's just leave it at that :welcome: :geek:
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Ferrisweil » 14 Jan 2020, 8:49 pm

No ones serious lol
It’s called “banter”, something that seems to be non existent online...
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by NewShooterGirl » 14 Jan 2020, 8:51 pm

:lol: hahaha sorry should've picked up on that :geek:
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by NewShooterGirl » 14 Jan 2020, 8:56 pm

:violin: Anyway, hopefully this thread has been educational for everyone involved, some people on here did mention that they've learned a few things which was good :welcome: :geek:
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by SCJ429 » 14 Jan 2020, 9:45 pm

TheFirearmEnthusiast wrote:Ferrisweil;
Lol there's no need for me to move in with "NewShooterGirl"
I'm trying to get my girlfriend to get into shooting so that we can go hunting together
I took her shooting once but she didn't like it
I'll persevere though
Hopefully one day
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Don't do it, my wife has no interest in shooting but I took her to a local competition after some practice and she beat me with my own rifle. She came second and I came third. Never again.
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Ferrisweil » 14 Jan 2020, 10:16 pm

Love my wife to bits but feck that. When I’m going away I’m sure she enjoys me being away just as much as I enjoy being out with the lads. In my case, the two aren’t compatible and we’re both happy about that haha
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Baronvonrort » 14 Jan 2020, 10:54 pm

SCJ429 wrote:
Don't do it, my wife has no interest in shooting but I took her to a local competition after some practice and she beat me with my own rifle. She came second and I came third. Never again.


You should have told her scope needs dialling in make some adjustments before handing her your rifle. :welcome:

As for smaller digital safes for keys if somebody steals it they get you safe key.

For those who say wear or prints can give a clue to combination then touch the wrong number or all numbers from time to time.
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 15 Jan 2020, 5:58 am

I don't mean to be sexist or anything like that
And I may be wrong
But shooting seems to be such predominantly guy thing still
(From my experience side of it anyway)
I've taken my girlfriend shooting, she didn't like it
I've taken my sister shooting, she didn't like it
I've taken my dad shooting, he LOVED it
I've taken my 2x guy bestfriends shooting, they LOVED it

I think it'd be nice if more women took up shooting though
I think that'd be great

That's how I got into shooting myself
I shot my 1st rifle couple months ago
Then I fell in love right away
And I started the process right away
Joining a club
Applying for the safety course
Filling in the application
Etc
And here we are today

I always said;
"Love at first sight"?
Pfft
More like:
"Love at first shot"

Do you guys know what I'm saying?
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 15 Jan 2020, 6:56 am

FerrisWeil;
I 100% understand where you're coming from though
Your wife enjoying you being away just as much as you enjoy being out with the lads
That is awesome I reckon
That's awesome
:)

Instead of trying to get my girlfriend into hunting
Maybe I should just get my Lads into hunting
This way we can all go hunt together
And that could be our activity that we all do together
:)

I've been trying to get my Lads to get their firearms license
However, all the red tape and how long the process takes etc and all the runnings around etc
It discourages them a lot lol
I'll persevere though
I'll keep trying to get them to get their firearms license
Target shooting/Hunting
Its definitely better when you do it with friends I reckon
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Oldbloke » 15 Jan 2020, 12:18 pm

Ferrisweil wrote:Love my wife to bits but feck that. When I’m going away I’m sure she enjoys me being away just as much as I enjoy being out with the lads. In my case, the two aren’t compatible and we’re both happy about that haha



The reality is:
Girls play with dolls
Boys play with trucks
Good manners are free. Hunt safe, look after the bush & plug more pests. :thumbsup: The greatest invention in the history of man is beer. :drinks: Text alone does not convey the full message. Practice good hygiene.
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by NewShooterGirl » 15 Jan 2020, 2:04 pm

I have to admit that this is true. Even though I'm a girl. Even though I do enjoy shooting. I've tried getting my girlfriends into it, none of them like it :lol: :geek: :violin:
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Macross » 15 Jan 2020, 3:30 pm

My wife and I started target pistol shooting together about a year ago. Im returning to shooting after a long break (handed guns in in 96). It was really nice to share the experience with her. Showing her the safety aspects, teaching her trigger control, spending time explaining and discussing all kinds of aspects of the sport.

Last Sunday morning she blew me out of the water in our club comp.... nine spots above me on the leader board.... taking in a shared third place overall. What have I done!!! :D
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Stix » 15 Jan 2020, 4:01 pm

Oldbloke wrote:The reality is:
Girls play with dolls
Boys play with trucks


Reality is...by todays standards that is sexist, along with many other "ist's"...

And a modern metrosexual feministly indoctrinated man would be offended...

Say it LOUDER...i dont think they heard you... :clap:

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The man who knows everything, doesnt really know everything...he's just stopped learning...
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Sergeant Hartman » 16 Jan 2020, 7:44 am

Don't think you will find that many metrosexual guys shooting. They probably knitting a sweater or having chai latte with almond milk
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by Oldbloke » 16 Jan 2020, 8:13 am

Stix wrote:
Reality is...by todays standards that is sexist, along with many other "ist's"...

And a modern metrosexual feministly indoctrinated man would be offended...

Say it LOUDER...i dont think they heard you... :clap:

:lol:


"The reality is:
Girls play with dolls
Boys play with trucks"

There is a few million years of evolution dictating this. Doesnt matter what yuppies think.
Good manners are free. Hunt safe, look after the bush & plug more pests. :thumbsup: The greatest invention in the history of man is beer. :drinks: Text alone does not convey the full message. Practice good hygiene.
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Re: Safe Keys + Unlicensed person in the house

Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 16 Jan 2020, 8:21 am

I agree with you Oldbloke
:)
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