Legality Curiosity

[alexjones]

For those of you who feel so inclined, the links to the Qld Act and Regulations are here: -
Act - https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/view ... t-1990-071
Regulations - https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/view ... -2016-0131
It's not necessary to memorise them; you simply need to know where to go for the (current) legislation.
Read at your leisure

Thanks for that.
My plan is to fix a rifle safe into the vehicle and keep the firearms in that so I should be good I think.

Overkill.

Read section 95 of the regulation. Just need to remove the bolt or fit a trigger lock and you can store them in your boot or inside the cabin of your vehicle.

A sealed container is a gun bag and a locked container is anything that locks.

[womble]

Nothing wrong with overkill to foil criminals.

I’m thinking of doing the same with a floor safe made for caravans.

[Wapiti]

Can you store a firearm on secure private property with it's bolt installed in NSW?
Not in Qld

Tell you what. it's a real mess when you see a fox around the chooks in the middle of the day, or see a big boar rooting up around the roadside letterbox.

On a farm, having to go through a construction project just to get a firearm into use is ridiculous and shows the city-centric fools we have cobbling laws together.

[bladeracer]

Overkill.

Read section 95 of the regulation. Just need to remove the bolt or fit a trigger lock and you can store them in your boot or inside the cabin of your vehicle.

A sealed container is a gun bag and a locked container is anything that locks.

Yep, it's overkill but it's easy to do and will keep them all together in one place.

[bladeracer]

Can you store a firearm on secure private property with it's bolt installed in NSW?
Not in Qld

Tell you what. it's a real mess when you see a fox around the chooks in the middle of the day, or see a big boar rooting up around the roadside letterbox.

On a farm, having to go through a construction project just to get a firearm into use is ridiculous and shows the city-centric fools we have cobbling laws together.

Bolts and mags stay in my firearms in Vic. Bad enough having to go elsewhere to get the ammo when I need to put down an animal on the road. And no chance of nailing a fox around the chicken coops.

[womble]

Lever

Action

Rifle

[perentie]

Lever

Action

Rifle

Yes, and a little revolving carbine in .357 mag

[womble]

Yes well.

Wont be removing that bolt any time soon will we

[alexjones]

People wig out about the wording of “bolt removed”.

It just means pull the bolt out of the receiver. It does not mean remove the bolt from within the proximity to the firearm.

[womble]

It also means sometimes you drive for hours only to realise you left the bolt at home.

I’m not convinced it’s a good idea to remove the bolt. When travelling perhaps yes. But in storage perhaps best to have the entire firearm stored in one piece. You can always insert a chamber flag.

I don’t think I’d want to misplace a part of a firearm because I stored it somewhere else.

What if someone, like a wife, throws it out by accident.

Because wives do s**t like that. They go through your stuff and clean up.

[alexjones]

It also means sometimes you drive for hours only to realise you left the bolt at home.

I’m not convinced it’s a good idea to remove the bolt. When travelling perhaps yes. But in storage perhaps best to have the entire firearm stored in one piece. You can always insert a chamber flag.

I don’t think I’d want to misplace a part of a firearm because I stored it somewhere else.

What if someone, like a wife, throws it out by accident.

Because wives do s**t like that. They go through your stuff and clean up.

Seeing as a bolt is a major firearm component it has to be stored accordingly. Ie keep it in the safe with the gun.

The bolt must be removed or the action must be broken. The bolt can stay in the receiver just break the action open.

I think the purpose of it is to make sure the gun is unloaded.

[womble]

Sensible. It can’t be fired with an open bolt.

And truth be told. Lever actions are particularly high risk here. They do have a reputation for hiding one in the tube. People have been fooled by them before and didn’t end well.

But hey, you’re a cowboy. We like to live dangerously.

No that’s wrong. Be a sensible cowboy. Or cowgirl. Nothing wrong with that. Not saying a woman can’t be a cowboy.

But hey. Maybe you identify as a cow. And you know what, f*** it, that’s all good. Not saying there’s anything wrong with that. You can still be a safe cow with guns.

[bigrich]

Sensible. It can’t be fired with an open bolt.

And truth be told. Lever actions are particularly high risk here. They do have a reputation for hiding one in the tube. People have been fooled by them before and didn’t end well.

But hey, you’re a cowboy. We like to live dangerously.

No that’s wrong. Be a sensible cowboy. Or cowgirl. Nothing wrong with that. Not saying a woman can’t be a cowboy.

But hey. Maybe you identify as a cow. And you know what, f*** it, that’s all good. Not saying there’s anything wrong with that. You can still be a safe cow with guns.

i think the modern "woke" term is "cow person" unless you identify as something else

i remove my bolts and store them in a separate locked section of my safe . i bolted a "spika" handgun safe on top of my "spika" 12 gun safe , very secure with 10mm bolts , large washers and nylock nuts that won't loosen if tampered with , so ammo, bolts and rifles are all separate and locked up . when traveling i padlock my rifles in hard cases , with the ammo and bolts also in separate padlocked cases . i won't give any over zealous cop the chance to find fault with me . crossing the border into northern NSW invites a look from local country coppers at times. i haven't been looked at . yet !
i mean really , how hard is it to go to a little extra trouble to keep the law happy ?

as for the rifle bolts, i triple check i've got the right one's before leaving home. i have them in small plastic bunnings storage containers with the cal and rifle written on the outside with black texta. all this might seem a little OCD , but i have peace of mind in being as compliant as you can get . how i've got my safe secured in my house is a engineering marvel

womble if i had a wifey throw out my bolts i'd be filing for divorce

[9.3x64]

Sensible. It can’t be fired with an open bolt.

And truth be told. Lever actions are particularly high risk here. They do have a reputation for hiding one in the tube. People have been fooled by them before and didn’t end well.

But hey, you’re a cowboy. We like to live dangerously.

No that’s wrong. Be a sensible cowboy. Or cowgirl. Nothing wrong with that. Not saying a woman can’t be a cowboy.

But hey. Maybe you identify as a cow. And you know what, f*** it, that’s all good. Not saying there’s anything wrong with that. You can still be a safe cow with guns.

i think the modern "woke" term is "cow person" unless you identify as something else

i remove my bolts and store them in a separate locked section of my safe . i bolted a "spika" handgun safe on top of my "spika" 12 gun safe , very secure with 10mm bolts , large washers and nylock nuts that won't loosen if tampered with , so ammo, bolts and rifles are all separate and locked up . when traveling i padlock my rifles in hard cases , with the ammo and bolts also in separate padlocked cases . i won't give any over zealous cop the chance to find fault with me . crossing the border into northern NSW invites a look from local country coppers at times. i haven't been looked at . yet !
i mean really , how hard is it to go to a little extra trouble to keep the law happy ?

as for the rifle bolts, i triple check i've got the right one's before leaving home. i have them in small plastic bunnings storage containers with the cal and rifle written on the outside with black texta. all this might seem a little OCD , but i have peace of mind in being as compliant as you can get . how i've got my safe secured in my house is a engineering marvel

womble if i had a wifey throw out my bolts i'd be filing for divorce

Exactly!
I do the same as you have described.
Bolts in labelled canvas bag, stored separately. It’s not hard.
And if I find that I cannot match the label to the correct Mauser 98, well it’s time…

There was a pistol theft in Brisbane very recently.
The owner had removed both slides and kept them in a separate safe. He didn’t have to, but he did.

When the police spoke to him after the theft, they were extremely grateful that he had done this, even though he was not legally required to do so.
I don’t get why some people just focus on being legal and that’s it.
We should all do everything we can to stop these pricks steal our firearms.
Because the more firearms that are stolen the more heat and attention it just brings back on us all.
Not to mention the police who are put in danger by these grubs.

[alexjones]

I do the bare minimum due to laziness and due to the fact that it is tyrannical to be told how store ones property.

[bigrich]

I do the bare minimum due to laziness and due to the fact that it is tyrannical to be told how store ones property.

as a tradie i look after my tools , as a ex petrol head (diesel head now ) , i'm meticulous about the servicing and road worthiness of my vehicles even if my toyota "looks" grubby. not much point washing and waxing with dirt road drives every second weekend .
with my firearms storage/transport procedures i'd probably still do things as i listed out of safety and common sense than complying to guv'ment tyranny . JMHO

[bigrich]

Sensible. It can’t be fired with an open bolt.

And truth be told. Lever actions are particularly high risk here. They do have a reputation for hiding one in the tube. People have been fooled by them before and didn’t end well.

But hey, you’re a cowboy. We like to live dangerously.

No that’s wrong. Be a sensible cowboy. Or cowgirl. Nothing wrong with that. Not saying a woman can’t be a cowboy.

But hey. Maybe you identify as a cow. And you know what, f*** it, that’s all good. Not saying there’s anything wrong with that. You can still be a safe cow with guns.

i think the modern "woke" term is "cow person" unless you identify as something else

i remove my bolts and store them in a separate locked section of my safe . i bolted a "spika" handgun safe on top of my "spika" 12 gun safe , very secure with 10mm bolts , large washers and nylock nuts that won't loosen if tampered with , so ammo, bolts and rifles are all separate and locked up . when traveling i padlock my rifles in hard cases , with the ammo and bolts also in separate padlocked cases . i won't give any over zealous cop the chance to find fault with me . crossing the border into northern NSW invites a look from local country coppers at times. i haven't been looked at . yet !
i mean really , how hard is it to go to a little extra trouble to keep the law happy ?

as for the rifle bolts, i triple check i've got the right one's before leaving home. i have them in small plastic bunnings storage containers with the cal and rifle written on the outside with black texta. all this might seem a little OCD , but i have peace of mind in being as compliant as you can get . how i've got my safe secured in my house is a engineering marvel

womble if i had a wifey throw out my bolts i'd be filing for divorce

Exactly!
I do the same as you have described.
Bolts in labelled canvas bag, stored separately. It’s not hard.
And if I find that I cannot match the label to the correct Mauser 98, well it’s time…

There was a pistol theft in Brisbane very recently.
The owner had removed both slides and kept them in a separate safe. He didn’t have to, but he did.

When the police spoke to him after the theft, they were extremely grateful that he had done this, even though he was not legally required to do so.
I don’t get why some people just focus on being legal and that’s it.
We should all do everything we can to stop these pricks steal our firearms.
Because the more firearms that are stolen the more heat and attention it just brings back on us all.
Not to mention the police who are put in danger by these grubs.

common sense and consideration for others isn't common anymore is it mate

[womble]

Yeah naah.

My security here is very good.

I put a lot of time and money into it.

And it’s an ongoing cost. I have dogs that will eat 2 kilos of meat each a day. From bloodlines that have been guarding estates for thousands of years.

The Roman’s put them outside on the grounds at night and slept soundly. They just go into sentry mode at night. You don’t have to teach them that.

Anything or anyone that’s not supposed to be there , dose’nt matter what it is. Once I was walking one at night and a car reversed out of a driveway towards me. The dog bit the car. And pierced it.

They cost me a lot. If they earn their keep. I wouldn’t be too bothered about it.

[bigrich]

Yeah naah.

My security here is very good.

I put a lot of time and money into it.

And it’s an ongoing cost. I have dogs that will eat 2 kilos of meat each a day. From bloodlines that have been guarding estates for thousands of years.

The Roman’s put them outside on the grounds at night and slept soundly. They just go into sentry mode at night. You don’t have to teach them that.

Anything or anyone that’s not supposed to be there , dose’nt matter what it is. Once I was walking one at night and a car reversed out of a driveway towards me. The dog bit the car.

at 2kg per day how long does it take your dogs to get through the average burglar

[womble]

Well a burglar should feed them for about a fortnight

And they would enjoy that..

But honestly I wouldn’t want that to happen. You’d have to be nuts to enter that yard.

Very effective deterrent. There are other properties around that would be a lot easier.