Question about transportation of ammunition

[juststarting]

So with a rifle in the vehicle, the rifle and the ammo both need to be stored separately and secured - locked container, case, whatever.

What about just ammunition? Assuming, I just dropped by the LGS to pick up some ammo... No guns in the car. Strictly speaking, does it still need to be secured or can I have it in the glove compartment? Boot? Do I still need to have it secured in a lockable container?

Consider if you are buying a slab of shotgun shells. Does the boot or the car count as a lockable container, if there are no weapons in the car?


Thanks

[aaronjo]

Good question....I'd like to know too?

[AusTac]

From section 126 of the firearms act

Safekeeping of firearms and cartridge ammunition while being carried or used (1) A person who is carrying or using a category A or B longarm must— (a) ensure that the firearm is carried and used in a manner that is secure and is not dangerous; and (b) must take reasonable precautions to ensure that the firearm is not lost or stolen. Penalty: 60 penalty units or 12 months imprisonment.



Pretty much on us to prove that its secured i suppose, me personally i always lock it up just to be safe firearm or not and always in the back seat away from firearms in the back.

Doesn't say ammunition specifically though, you'd think it would kill them to give us a straight answer sometimes

How do you guys read it?

[on_one_wheel]

I read it as a highly interpretive piece of literature.

The kind of act they write when they don't realy want to make any firm rules.

I consider my firearms safe when they are not loaded and my vehicle is secure when locked.
But the inspecting officer might beg to differ.

Best to play it safe, keep it in a locked box.

[AusTac]

While we're at it, whats the go with having firearms in the car whilst the car is unattended, eg you go to the pub for lunch whilst on the way to hunting spot

I'm thinking, not able to be seen in a case in the back with the boot cover, bolt out car locked?

[on_one_wheel]

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I'm pretty sure that this is the standard these days while ya driving around the bigsmoke.

[aaronjo]

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I'm pretty sure that this is the standard these days while ya driving around the bigsmoke.

That'll do me nicely!

[juststarting]

We digress. Question is about ammo, not firearms, no firearms in the car... Just ammo.

[bigfellascott]

If it fits in the Glovebox it goes in there, if not next to me on the passenger seat (coming from the Gunshop to home).

[Title_II]

What does 60 penalty units mean? Is that like demerits or something?

[juststarting]

One penalty unit is currently $151.67 from 1 July 2015 to 30 June 2016.

The rate for penalty units is indexed each financial year so that it is raised in line with inflation. Any change to the value of a penalty unit will happen on 1 July each year.

Source: https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/find-le ... alty-units

[juststarting]

Basically, it's a floating point variable indexed inline with inflation indicating inverse value of your money to quality of your local MPs luxury car.

[Title_II]

If it fits in the Glovebox it goes in there, if not next to me on the passenger seat (coming from the Gunshop to home).

If the ammo fits in the glovebox you wasted a trip to the shop

I have more than that rolling around the floor of my garage.

[bigfellascott]

If it fits in the Glovebox it goes in there, if not next to me on the passenger seat (coming from the Gunshop to home).

If the ammo fits in the glovebox you wasted a trip to the shop

I have more than that rolling around the floor of my garage.

Ah she's only 400m down the road so I just pick some up in the mornings if I need it when I get a loaf of bread

[Title_II]

If it fits in the Glovebox it goes in there, if not next to me on the passenger seat (coming from the Gunshop to home).

If the ammo fits in the glovebox you wasted a trip to the shop

I have more than that rolling around the floor of my garage.

Ah she's only 400m down the road so I just pick some up in the mornings if I need it when I get a loaf of bread

There we go

[brett1868]

NSW - These are the requirements irrespective of firearms being in the car or not. Personally I transport ammo in locked containers out of sight as the Police have been known to pull over vehicles leaving gun shops. Not worth the risk of losing your license over a box of ammo so best keep it locked up at ALL times.

Just ammo in the car and no firearms was the question asked and the answer is that it has to be in a locked container as per the act. Your car is not of the type approved by the commissioner however the glove box providing it's locked is fine.

"What are the storage requirements in relation to ammunition?"

"Ammunition must be stored in a locked container, separate from the firearms -
sections 40 (1)(d) & 41(1)(c) of the Act. The ammunition storage may be
separate altogether, or may be a separate locked compartment or receptacle
within the firearms safe storage receptacle or safe."

Link to Act below.

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/xref/inforce/?xref=Type%3Dact%20AND%20Year%3D1996%20AND%20no%3D46&nohits=y

Firearms in vehicles

"What are the requirements for transporting Category A & B firearms? Firearms Registry"

Unlike the transportation of category C, D & H firearms and commercial
transportation, there are no legislative requirements for the transportation of
category A & B firearms.
However the general rule applied in section 39 of the Act applies and the
Commissioner has determined that 'all reasonable precautions' have been met
if category A & B firearms are conveyed in the same manner as category C, D
& H firearms.
NOTE: At no time should a firearm be left stored unattended in a motor vehicle
unless the firearms are stored in accordance with the requirements of category
C, D & H firearms and no other alternative safe storage is available.

Link to the relevant FAQ http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/131184/Transportation_FACT_Sheet_-_March_2012.pdf

[bluerob]

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I'm pretty sure that this is the standard these days while ya driving around the bigsmoke.

Someone cue the song "Wind beneath my wings" please.

This was a very common sight not that long along where I used to live, with the windows wound down and NOBODY (even the local Dorrie Evan's society - google Dorrie for those pre 1990's) could/would've cared. Ammo boxes and god knows how many .22's rattling in the windscreen, ashtray and a spare bottle of beer. Never had 1 person cause any grief. Then PAM changed everything.

I copped an asskicking once from my boss after he opened the passenger door and spent brass and 12 gauge shells ended up rolling around in the gutter. Told him I was collecting brass for scrap and couldn't trust my house mate. He muttered something about ice and eskimos.....

Being red dirt country, we weren't big on keeping cars clean and newish Commodores with manual gearboxes, CountryPak suspension and the new UHF (in those days) made great shooting wagons, despite not the intention. Could round up a mob of ferals in no time.

[<<Genesis93>>]

From section 126 of the firearms act

Safekeeping of firearms and cartridge ammunition while being carried or used (1) A person who is carrying or using a category A or B longarm must— (a) ensure that the firearm is carried and used in a manner that is secure and is not dangerous; and (b) must take reasonable precautions to ensure that the firearm is not lost or stolen. Penalty: 60 penalty units or 12 months imprisonment.



Pretty much on us to prove that its secured i suppose, me personally i always lock it up just to be safe firearm or not and always in the back seat away from firearms in the back.

Doesn't say ammunition specifically though, you'd think it would kill them to give us a straight answer sometimes

How do you guys read it?

Yes it does, you were in a rush and didnt turn the page

126...

....(4) A person who is carrying or using cartridge ammunition must—
(a) ensure that the cartridge ammunition is carried and used in a manner that is secure and is not dangerous; and
(b) must take reasonable precautions to ensure that the cartridge ammunition is not lost or stolen.
Penalty: 60 penalty units or 12 months imprisonment.

So the operative word being 'secure'... ie locked (to remove any doubt).

[Sakoh]

I'm pretty sure that this is the standard these days while ya driving around the bigsmoke.

And you wouldn't even have to send out invitations for all the cops to come to your place

[headspace]

I built a lock box into the back of my 4 wheel drive, and the ammo goes in there when I'm travelling. The rifle/s are out of sight on the floor in the back. NSW Law says ammo must be carried in a "lockable" container, so I went all out and obsessive.

[juststarting]

headspace, better safe than sorry.

[sandgroperbill]

over here a locked boot is fine. Having said that, I bought a couple of hard plastic faom lined toolboxes/carry cases from super cheap that have padlock holes built in. I lock ammo in these and then lock these in the boot.

Better safe than sorry

[Skadoo]

Better safe than sorry

Agreed

[AnotherMisfire]

I gave up hunting through it... but it's in here somewhere: http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/sit ... dition.pdf

The state Explosive Acts refer mandate that the transport of explosives has to be conducted in accordance with the "Australian Code for the transport of Explosives by road and rail", known as the Australian Explosives Code.

This came about around 2004-05 I think, so that the rules would be consistent across the states and territories

[Oldbloke]

Im in Vic. Locked metal tool box or glove box. This what I use with a padlock.
http://www.bunnings.com.au/craftright-3 ... -_p5820734

[Tiiger]

I gave up hunting through it...

That's our legislation all right

[chewtah]

I like the idea of it not being visible at all, in a locked steel box, under a blanket. There is no onus on you to speak up and say the car is full of guns and ammo either!

[<<Genesis93>>]

I like the idea of it not being visible at all, in a locked steel box, under a blanket. There is no onus on you to speak up and say the car is full of guns and ammo either!

If you're stopped by the po-litz, they know you're a gun owner before they got out of the car....therefore assume you're 'packing' rifle....

Speaking of which, one of the most unintelligent, demented, stupefying comments by, if I recall correctly the NSW popo during the senate hearings - justifying the firearm licensing/registration system was for 'safety'; so they know whether a car they pull over "might have firearms in it" it was one of those moments you wish you could be there to slap the individual and just say "Really?..... really!" I'll have to find the quote.....

As far as an onus to speak up.... if they ASK you whether you have your full arsenal in the car then you tell them.....otherwise its your bizo.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Im in Vic. Locked metal tool box or glove box. This what I use with a padlock.
http://www.bunnings.com.au/craftright-3 ... -_p5820734

Thats standard issue ammo transport

as well as Standard issue first aid....

Not necessarily related.

[happyhunter]

If you're stopped by the po-litz, they know you're a gun owner before they got out of the car....therefore assume you're 'packing' rifle....

Yep, crim-trac, but I don't own a car so have to borrow the missus wheels.