Is Victoria Australian Gun Heaven?

[Title_II]

I've been reading stuff leading me to believe Victoria has some of the best gun laws. Is this more or less true? If anybody wants to bother, I would like to hear a rough idea of the best and worst, and some of the differences. Not anything comprehensive, just maybe the difference between the best and worst I guess. Maybe what the average is.

Thanks!

[coloradoboy]

I used to live in Queensland as a kid before moving back home to good old Denver. It was alright for Australia, but if i remember correctly we couldn't legally use the state parks to hunt though - dislike.

[<<Genesis93>>]

I wouldn't say heaven.... but passable in the current state of national affairs...

When the Police ministers convened their 'AUSTRALASIAN POLICE MINISTERS’ COUNCIL'

{Note the 'asian, referring to NZ, also a state of this Commonwealth, that didnt take part in the 96 nonsense....}

and adopted the National Firearm Agreement that had been prepared, and was awaiting Australias pearl harbour....

But the laws were supposed to be consistent across the states, there are differences in application and interpretation..... some states are very 'bad' such as WA where, apparently, 12 shot semi auto AIR rifles may soon be moved to the same category as, say, an AR10!! a semi auto 308win, AR15s etc...this level of stupid is awesome, off the scale.

In Australia we have a system whereby you jump through hoops to get a licence, demonstrate a need, whether sporting, hunting, occupational, collecting, then if you want a firearm you need to again apply for a 'permit to acquire' which has a varying cost across the states and varying time for a response, but in Vic we know have an electronic system where you apply at the dealers, who punches in your details, goes to the Registrar and a response comes back as soon as its processed, I have had one in one or 2 hours. Compare this the QLD a year or so ago, and waits for a permit to purchase were months, many months in waiting....

As far as rifles we can purchase, we can have most any pump, lever, or bolt action up to 50 Browning, provided you're a member of the right club......

There are however forces working day and night, to change the laws to restrict calibre, mag cap, model, and even the look of rifles...

There's no Maximum number of firearms we can own, however this as many other consideration are up to the discretion of the Chief commissioner = staff assessing a permit to acquire.... thats a problem.

Then theres the hunting, we've got, Deer from Hog to Sambar and others between, goats, pigs, dogs (I believe horses too??) cats... of course foxes, rabbits, hares.... feathered stuff including game species of duck, quail others.... best of all, ALL unencumbered public land including most/all? State forests are open for the hunters, no appointments necessary, no bag limits including some deer species (Game permit required). Note the grabtards/greentard are working hard to reclassify most of the state forest closest to metro /outer melbourne FROM state forest TO National Park (locks out all hunting/shooting).....

[Noisydad]

All states have the random safe inspections where a policeman will generally ring to make an appointment with you to check over your toys and compare them with his list. Some just want to get the waste of time out of the road ASAP and go. Others are genuinely interested and quite chatty and of course some.....would be better off in another job.

[Die Judicii]

I think that all the states have their pros and cons.

One bad experience that we had was when we bought property here in Qld.
On one of the many trips we made carting furniture etc, my partner lost her purse.
She did the right thing and reported the loss to all the relevant authorities, and the Vic firearms branch was one of them.
She informed them that we were starting to move.

Unbeknown to us, they took it upon themselves to cancel her firearms license.
(she still had a current address in Vic)

The first we knew about it was when a letter arrived informing her that as she was unlicensed, she had 7 days to surrender her firearm or be prosecuted.
Yep,,,, the letter arrived on the 7th day.

Of course then,, because she didn't have a current license, she couldn't simply apply to Qld for a transfer of license.

It took ages to sort it out.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Thats a very common trap, to qualify for a Vic licence you need to be a resident of Vic, so as soon as you cease to reside in Vic..... Your licence 'evaporates'..... even if you move temporarily interstate and change your address.... shazaaam!

[<<Genesis93>>]

All states have the random safe inspections where a policeman will generally ring to make an appointment with you to check over your toys and compare them with his list. Some just want to get the waste of time out of the road ASAP and go. Others are genuinely interested and quite chatty and of course some.....would be better off in another job.

Storage inspections and firearm inspections are 2 difference things, but they do tend to combine them....

[deye243]

I've been reading stuff leading me to believe Victoria has some of the best gun laws. Is this more or less true? If anybody wants to bother, I would like to hear a rough idea of the best and worst, and some of the differences. Not anything comprehensive, just maybe the difference between the best and worst I guess. Maybe what the average is.

Thanks!

the short answer is yes but not for long

[Die Judicii]

Thats a very common trap, to qualify for a Vic licence you need to be a resident of Vic, so as soon as you cease to reside in Vic..... Your licence 'evaporates'..... even if you move temporarily interstate and change your address.... shazaaam!

She was still a resident of Vic, and working in Vic. (All we were doing was shifting my furniture from Sth Aust, and she happened to come for that trip)

We didn't actually shift until a month after the incident.

[sandgroperbill]

I'm in WA. Anywhere is better than here when it comes to anything firearms related

[pajamatime]

I've been reading stuff leading me to believe Victoria has some of the best gun laws. Is this more or less true? If anybody wants to bother, I would like to hear a rough idea of the best and worst, and some of the differences. Not anything comprehensive, just maybe the difference between the best and worst I guess. Maybe what the average is.

Thanks!

the short answer is yes but not for long

Why what's happening that's got you so spooked? Besides the obvious

[deye243]

I've been reading stuff leading me to believe Victoria has some of the best gun laws. Is this more or less true? If anybody wants to bother, I would like to hear a rough idea of the best and worst, and some of the differences. Not anything comprehensive, just maybe the difference between the best and worst I guess. Maybe what the average is.

Thanks!

the short answer is yes but not for long

Why what's happening that's got you so spooked? Besides the obvious

funny how some people answer there own questions

[Rocker]

"Heaven" is getting carried away but it's decent, no arguing they get it better than some of the other states in a lot of aspects.

License in VIC consistently takes about a month to get for first time shooters, other states have longer, QLD has been the worst I think with it taking up to a year for some guys in the past?

We need permits for each firearm in all states here but VIC dealers can do their permits online and they usually get turned around in a day or two. Same as above others have to wait weeks at a minimum for snail mail permit applications to get around or months if it's just bureaucratic BS delays.

You can hunt on private property in VIC and there is a lot of forestry on public land as well. Other states are more restricted and have less areas in most cases.

[<<Genesis93>>]

and if your licence is endorsed for target shooting; you can set up on private property provided your a minimum distance from the closest neighbour, and shoot with as many people as you want provided its not a commercial venture (formal range approval needed)

I think title is thinking of making the move......you'll have to leave all the semi/autos there, you do realise

edit to add; sorry, 'realize' (for you I'll use a zee)

[Joom]

VIC and then NSW seem to be the go.

NT never seems to get discussed much either way?

QLD and WA = The losers.

[headspace]

I'm in NSW and while a lot of this stuff is a pain in the bum, you get used to it. But there are a few wrinkles that the paper shufflers can't seem to get right. One is the calibre rating of a rifle range. Our local range has a limit of 8mm which includes a 338Win Mag, but you can't have a 338lapua Mag because THEY see it as a sniper round. However the ever popular sniper round 300Win Mag is OK. methinks they pull things out of a hat. Beware the pubic service.
JD

[Title_II]

Sniper round? Can you please elaborate? Is it that they think the round is too powerful or is it that they think calibers used by snipers are evil?

[<<Genesis93>>]

Sniper rounds are those rifles (whether rifled or not) chambered in a particular round that leaves the muzzle at a velocity greater than the velocity that will allow the 'recipient' to hear it coming, also a velocity lesser than, of a calibre greater than 0.13 inches and propelled by a means than forces the projectile away from the device.

That should safely cover every single inanimate object either logically or illogically described and covered by our firearm laws.....




We have a system whereby the police have an objective, more so an agenda to remove ALL firearms from the community which they consider their workplace. Therefore guns are considered an OH&S threat and they have no qualms in stating that they make zero distinction between the lawful use and the non-lawful use, therefore they seek any and every opportunity to increase restrictions. The agenda is consistent across the traditional anti-firearm liberal (with a lower case 'L' which is in itself a contradiction...) movement headed by the Greens party, via the mouthpiece parasite antigun 'club' that has probably no more than 3 members....

We have the situation actually on RIGHT AT THIS VERY MOMENT in Canberra, our Police Minister are reading/ discussing / agreeing on changes to the 19yera old National Firearm Agreement, one of the many changes are beyond reasonable doubt the recategorising of the adler 7 shot to the most restricted civilian category alongside AR15 and AR10, FN Fal type of firearms..... f***ing amazing. Streets must have been running red in the 1800's United States....

What else is in this most secret document?
Given than WA are seeking to move the crossman 1077 AIR RIFLE also to Cat D........ no doubt that proposal takes up a few lines in the circulated document today...

Ministers and AttorneysGeneral from all jurisdictions will consider any proposed updates to the NFA at the November 2015 meeting of the LCCSC ahead of consideration by the first Council of Australian Governments meeting in 2016.


Police dictating gun laws...... unbefarkinglieveable

[happyhunter]

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[happyhunter]

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[<<Genesis93>>]

I'm in NSW and while a lot of this stuff is a pain in the bum, you get used to it. But there are a few wrinkles that the paper shufflers can't seem to get right. One is the calibre rating of a rifle range. Our local range has a limit of 8mm which includes a 338Win Mag, but you can't have a 338lapua Mag because THEY see it as a sniper round. However the ever popular sniper round 300Win Mag is OK. methinks they pull things out of a hat. Beware the pubic service.
JD

Classic. By that logic they can include the 308 Winchester, 6.5 Swede, 22-250, 7.62 russian and the list goes on. The lap got attention because of the wikipedia articles claiming kill distance records. So what do they consider the 338RUM?

.... logic should say that the word sniper round and or military round should be struck from the consideration of firearm regs either stated or 'discretionary' every round practically has been used by the military and for 'sniping'..... 22LR has a history of sniping use by militaries.... especially built up close/quarter situations (Russia / soviet union times I recall) note as we speak, Israel is sniping rock throwing protesters with 22LR.......

[Baronvonrort]

If Vic is heaven we can say WA is hell.

[happyhunter]

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[Chickenhawk]

"sniper round"

What a f***ing joke.

[Chickenhawk]

If Vic is heaven we can say WA is hell.

Ain't that the truth.

[graynomad]

VIC and then NSW seem to be the go.

NT never seems to get discussed much either way?

QLD and WA = The losers.

WA yes, but QLD worse than NSW? Half the stuff I have (and/or want) is illegal in NSW. Well maybe not half but the Circuit Judge for example, and the new WFA1, last I looked that was illegal in NSW. Looking at gun stores here it seems that a heck of a lot of stuff has "Not legal in NSW" in the description.

That said there may be other things that are worse in QLD.

[Wes]

NSW seems ok for licensing and permit process, and for firearm range.

What's the story with hunting there now?

Can't keep up with it being on, off, booking spaces, yes here, no there, must wear this, have GPS that....

Bloody complicated to go out for a few hours and have a shoot?

[lole]

Leaving looks like the solution to a lot of our gun laws

Canada, USA, NZ.... Choices, choices.

[Heckler303]

Leaving looks like the solution to a lot of our gun laws

Canada, USA, NZ.... Choices, choices.

Give us a license and access to self loaders, higher capacity mags, suppressors and whatever calibers we want without bundles of red tape and paperwork covering it and I'll take that.

[adam]

Leaving looks like the solution to a lot of our gun laws

Canada, USA, NZ.... Choices, choices.

What is NZ's gun laws. Do they allow CC?