The Election.

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Re: The Election.

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 10 Jul 2016, 1:22 pm

preface: this post is a bit longer than I anticipated, I was planning to only briefly mention donations... but when you scratch the surface, theres always another level like the layers of an onion... like lifting up a discard sheet of roofing iron and watching all the mice scamper away. I quickly realised there is effectively an open market for votes, and more influence is 'sold off' than I realised. :thumbsdown:


Right. So I was spot on (other thread) with 56+86=142.....66+76=142 :thumbsup: or 69/74 or 68/75 or 67/77 who knows... but we did all use pencil :P

OK....still dont know the final count... surely in this day and age there is a....I don't know - a QUICKER way :unknown:

One things for sure, we get another 1 or 2 or 3 years of juvenile bickering, with lib/lab/green deals done in the back room... we get votes in both houses bought by the highest bidder... and hypocrisy the most common 'quality' of many there....

They'll NO DOUBT waste more of our precise parliamentary time debating the merits or not of a plebiscite... while jobless rate increases, power bill go up, more people end up on the street, while more refugees are provided free everything 'cause their refugees and they jump the multiyear public housing waiting list in a politically expedient arrangement....

Yes...we went to a DD election on account of the rejection of the ABCC as well as the Registered Organisations legislation.... but the Mad Katter.... who surprising was the first to 'offer his support' to a coalition government....and he's now come out threatening literal violence on the PM, if the PM goes after the unions (the rejected bills!)

....and the $175,000 donations from the CFMEU and ETU have nothing at all do do with his position.. :allegedly:

What about the Greens? refer official position;

The Greens NSW believe that corporate political donations erode the Australian democratic process.

Parties use political donations to help fund their election campaigns and day-to-day activities. In return, corporate donors get iaccess to politicians.


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They also voted against the bills...speaking of voting against bills...donations are an interestingly touchy, and controversial, as they should be, subject.
The greens are so opposed to the (corporate) donations that they went to the trouble of compiling the donation disclosures onto a website;

http://democracyforsale.net/

Perhaps NOT so surprisingly, they left out a few of their own receipts, just for Vic greens, just for the 2013/14 year;

ETU - $300,000 <trade union, barrow to push, votes bought against DD legislation...
Australian Institute of Marine and Power Engineers - $40,000 <trade union, barrow to push, votes bought 457 visa etc
CFMEU - $25,000 <trade union, barrow to push, votes bought against DD legislation...

They did include an interesting donation of $300,000 received by Sarah-2-fathers from a seemingly anonymous Anna Milanowicz (they forgot the 100k she sent to Ludland). Which would be of little relevance, even though her husband is Simon Hackett, Internode founder and NBN board member (resigned only months ago) There wasnt any particularly relevant votes concerning Internet? data retention etc?? maybe NBN related? naaaah... nothing to see..

Another donor, handed over $300,000+ to the greens over a couple of years... her name also appears in a Parliamentary submission opposing the funding of the Perth Freight Link Project...that money was in NO WAY seeking influence in the Greens voting....naaaah.

http://periodicdisclosures.aec.gov.au/Party.aspx

What other donations of irrelevance did the greens declare on their own disclosure website (obviously there are many more too inconvenient to place there);


$1.68M - Graeme Wood - Wotif.com, the guy who bought and closed down the woodchip mill in Tassy, (yay for Jobs growth..oooh...) 'environmentalist' with links to Soros via the 'Center for Public Integrity'.... (hahahah integrity alright) .

That was also, as I understand the single largest donation in Aus political history....

What about the Greens accepting CFMEU money.... the greens are fighting hard to lock up 'the environment' including ALL the state forest around metro Melbourne, throwing everything at the forestry industry, same at the mining industry, want to CLOSE all mines...... then accept FORESTRY and MINING union money????



What a ridiculously hypocritical political environment we live in...votes are definitely for sale, otherwise a donor WOULD NOT donate, they do not pay for a job well done, they pay for influence......another 3 years of nonsense coming right up...

I used to say that in Australia, democracy ends at the ballot box.... when you think about it, it ends long before they cross your name off the roll... given that you're compelled to vote, with the threat of penalty, if you don't turn up.
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Re: The Election.

Post by adam » 10 Jul 2016, 3:14 pm

So what you're telling me is that the Greens are attacking and accusing the government of something that they are doing themselves? :allegedly:

I guess it's OK though - for them to do it and cover it up, because it's OK that they justify that free speech is only for them & their minions and anyone else who does the same as them but opposes their values is evil...

They never cease to amaze me at the depths they can descend to with their hypocrisy.

As for another 3 years of the same ol.. what do you think could stop that? Lib or Lab - they're both the same. I agree that politics needs a good shake up. Pitty we don't have our own Donald Trump over here... I don't agree with some of what he says or the way he presents himself some times, but I love the way he's go the current political system very uncomfortable over there. It needs a good shake up, just like we do.
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Re: The Election.

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 11 Jul 2016, 10:35 pm

So..... all the declarations... have been declarated... blues have 'won', reds have 'lost' life goes on, Mal keeps his pay, which is a base salary before any of the plethora of allowances - $517,504, having increased by 2% (every member) on 1/1/2016 to recognise their hard work [vertically reciprocating rapid closed fist hand motion]

base salary for all those characters, including the anonymous members who sit up the back and we NEVER hear from - $199,040 before ALL allowances which could possibly add $100,000 or so...or even more depending on how many committees they put their names down for, how 'travelly' they are... then of course a lot if not all claim all their house expenses straight off their tax bill.....no wonder they fight almost to the death to keep their snouts firmly buried in the great trough....
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Re: The Election.

Post by Oldbloke » 12 Jul 2016, 7:56 am

"No wonder they fight almost to the death to keep their snouts firmly buried in the great trough...." OINK OINK LOL

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Re: The Election.

Post by adam » 12 Jul 2016, 11:28 am

At the risk of being disagreed with (couldn't handle the thought ;) ) - I don't have a big problem with their salaries.

When you compare it to people in the private sector - who get paid much more, and in some cases millions for doing a bad job - politicians in comparison don't get paid a huge amount. I sometimes wonder if we paid them more, whether we'd attract some better people in politics. Those who seem to be much more knowledgable choose to make far more in the private sector and would probably run our country better than what we currently get.

Add to this that once you're a poli - you can't go down the street, shop, to the beach, etc without being approached or hounded by someone who disagrees with what you've done. Yes - I know it's what they've chosen to do... and accept that - but at the end of the day, when you compare how much a lot of people make in the private sector and the bonuses they get - the average politicians wage doesn't seem like a huge deal to me.

On the contrary - it's the double standards (ie, accessing super earlier, and parliamentary privileges, them choosing payrises for themselves, being able to lie and have no repercussions) that I have a much bigger issue with. Make a verbal contract in business and you're bound to it... do that in politics and you can lie repeatedly)

I'd prefer to pay them more - but hold them to the same standards as everyone else - and have their final payout / super directly related to the performance they do and the future economics of this country. That way they would have to think further down the future than just the next election - their super being directly related to future economics instead of being guaranteed pay for the rest of their life no matter what a bad job they did...

But I know I'm dreaming there...
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Re: The Election.

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 18 Jul 2016, 5:42 pm

I dont have a problem with our representative being remunerated.... and well too IF THEY EARN IT!!! imaging how hard theyd work if there were performance measures??!! good economy=good pay, goes to sh!t=pay cut ... imagine

What I dont like is the "We must tighten our belt talk" that we hear quite often when there is the slightest down turn....from people on a BASE of 199k, ultimately closer to 300k or much more.... for the ones who sit up the back and say nothing, names we havent heard, and probably gear their finances to pay little if any ta themselves..... yet THEY ACCEPT the annual review and usual increase in their pay (such as the 1/1/2016 raise) without question.... because the remuneration committee is "independent"... right, and I'm Father Christmas... actually I am, hang on......

Problem is with the party system and corresponding party vote, the opinion of the individual on matters is irrelevant (which it should be but for the wrong reasons) because SYSTEM of REPRESENTATION is theoretically design to represent the will of THE PEOPLE = the electors..... for example, if the majority of the electors within an electorate express the desire to reduce personal tax to say 5% - then their representative is duty bound to express that will in parliament (as if!), and it shouldnt matter whether he/she or the party are communist who wants 95% tax....

So...... the representatives, once in a party, are effectively redundant, and lost to the will of the electors, solely make up a number in a house vote and nothing more.

the fact that there are calls for "conscience votes" demonstrate this failure.... Canberra is not the place for personal opinion.. but the opinion of the people.....what a foreign concept.

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Part 2; ;)

RE the election, a surprising revelation about how the Australian people have spoken -

Upper house first preference vote, (preliminary count):
Greens, 1,023,024
One Nation 524,953

So after years of gay pride, animal rights, drugs are cool, free the refugees emotional gun grabbage and associated bluster.....Pauline comes out of the political wilderness and has attracted more than 50% of the equivalent Greens vote!!!!

One Nation COULD POSSIBLY displace the Greens as the THIRD!!!
I sense the conniptions have started in the halls of Parliament house :lol: :lol: :lol:

You go Pauline!! They will however silence her very quickly, I'll explain how later :thumbsdown:
Its a shame the only guy with the nads big enough to do what shes done ..... is a woman...thats ok :thumbsup:

Depending on the political environment, what happens in relation to the BIGGEST current global issue, that big fat elephant in the room - One Nation will ONLY increase its vote, and I'm hopeful that the misguided people who vote Tard will see the light and the greens constant defence of immigrants and call to open our borders to the hordes Euro style.... is the LAST thing we need to secure our nation, and our streets....

OK, I'll take my medication now

G93 out.
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Re: The Election.

Post by veep » 26 Jul 2016, 11:43 am

adam wrote:At the risk of being disagreed with


On the internet? No way! Ha ha :P
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Re: The Election.

Post by Oldbloke » 26 Jul 2016, 11:59 am

So is this the new look for the senate.

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Re: The Election.

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 04 Aug 2016, 2:52 pm

Senate results are in.... yeah was pretty quick;

30 - LIBS
26 - LABS
9 - TARDS (can't believe there are that many morons prepared to vote green!)
4 - One Nation (yup. 4.. !!!)
3 - Nicko X (who said narcissist)
1 - LEYONHJELM, David - Liberal Democrats (for real.... he got in again!)
1 - DAY, Bob Family First (who?)
1 - LAMBIE, Jacqui (Go jacqui!)
1 - HINCH, Derryn (oh god nooooo)

total = 76,
majority = 39 =

LIBS + Greens (wont happen under normal circumstances)

or

LIBS + Pauline + others

= this will be an interesting term.... very interesting and let the games begin!!

Not surprisingly the first to congratulate One Nation with the announcement of the QLD results was Mr Turdfull along with 'our' Attorney General....I'll bet this time around when Pauline makes her first speech the Libs wont walk out.... :roll:
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Re: The Election.

Post by Sydor » 04 Aug 2016, 6:19 pm

Irony of DD election...
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Re: The Election.

Post by Baronvonrort » 04 Aug 2016, 7:13 pm

Good to see Leyonhjelm is back I was getting worried Australia would lose a fine politician.
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Re: The Election.

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 04 Aug 2016, 7:38 pm

Sydor wrote:Irony of DD election...


Ye, they (Abbott/Lil Johnnie) destroyed Pauline, now she's back.... and I dare say shes pis5ed.. I'd love to be up there watching her entrance....

Not only that, but there will be 3 of them :lol: correction 4.....

Plus, the big PLUS, is 1 less GREEN....if only they were all cleaned out.
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