Stix wrote:Windston wrote:I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.
NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?
Mate...ill try put it in perspective for you...
NZ has (in parlimentary terms & my opinion) a smart, relatively attractive young female thats been voted in as Prime Minister...
On the other hand here in Austrslia, it currently appears that the next Prime Minister we will have, & whom now holds the "most popular vote" while being the opposition leader, & has been caught red handed & proven to be one of the most corrupt, lying, 2 faced, back stabbing peices of sh1t who has proven beyond ALL doubt that he cares NOT for the citizens of this country, let alone his work collegues...& yet the community vote him in...this guy is still employed & payed a lot of money by the citizens of this country to do what ever it takes to what ever he likes, even if its to the severe detriment of this country...!!
If the community vote for people like this, other successful countries policies will never be considered...!!
TBJ wrote:Windston wrote:I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.
NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?
This is an excellent point, only issue is we have too many anti firearms people in the government that have no idea about the legal use of firearms only the BS they see on TV, Movie screens and in Games. As a whole country we need to focus on fixing the illegal firearms issues, and stop blaming, shaming and punishing us legal firearms owners and users for the illegal firearms and the people that use them.
No1_49er wrote:Stix wrote:Windston wrote:Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.
Windston wrote:I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.
NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?
Member-Deleted wrote:No1_49er wrote:Stix wrote:Windston wrote:Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.
http://ro.ecu.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cg ... uworks2011
Member-Deleted wrote:They certainly have conflicting principals, the authorities regulate that we must run sound moderators (mufflers) on motorvehicles, they regulate to restrict the amount of noise emitted by industry and domestic sources, but go completely the opposite with respect to firearms,
Windston wrote:I just turned 18 and apart from that meaning getting my Cat A/B, it also means that I can vote. I have been looking into it, David Leyonhjelm and the Liberal Democrats seem to make some sense from what I've seen!
So if I am looking at voting for someone to support the farmers (which is my whole extended family) and for better gun laws in QLD, who should I be considering?
bullzeye wrote:Any guys here with a Cat C license got semi-auto 22s?
Not me..
How hard was it to get this license?
I’m looking at:
https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... _TABLE.pdf
No1_49er wrote:Stix wrote:Windston wrote:I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.
NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?
Mate...ill try put it in perspective for you...
NZ has (in parlimentary terms & my opinion) a smart, relatively attractive young female thats been voted in as Prime Minister...
On the other hand here in Austrslia, it currently appears that the next Prime Minister we will have, & whom now holds the "most popular vote" while being the opposition leader, & has been caught red handed & proven to be one of the most corrupt, lying, 2 faced, back stabbing peices of sh1t who has proven beyond ALL doubt that he cares NOT for the citizens of this country, let alone his work collegues...& yet the community vote him in...this guy is still employed & payed a lot of money by the citizens of this country to do what ever it takes to what ever he likes, even if its to the severe detriment of this country...!!
If the community vote for people like this, other successful countries policies will never be considered...!!
Stix, you are so wrong.
The New Zealand parliament tasked Thomas Thorp to "Review Firearms Control in NZ" back in 1997. Subsequent to that report a number of changes were made with respect to the vetting of individuals for firearms licencing and the sale/transfer/storage of what became defined as MSSA's.
"Conventional" semi-auto firearms i.e. the type we might use for hunting, and sound moderators, are and were not a problem which needed "solving" by way of further regulation/restriction.
Yes, at that time NZ did have a woman PM, but NOT the "relatively attractive young female" you might be suggesting.
I have had the good fortune to indulge myself in competitive target rifle shooting in NZ and it is a revelation to shoot with a bunch of people using sound moderators on their rifles. But, some ranges also have a ruling that muzzle brakes can not be used. Might be nice for the person behind the rifle but damned unpleasant for those alongside. I was present on an occasion when a competitor arrived with a rifle fitted with an MB. He was asked to remove the brake, or leave the range / not compete. Tough, maybe, but his neighboring competitors were also being considered.
Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.
[/quote]Stix wrote:"""Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.
bladeracer wrote:bullzeye wrote:Any guys here with a Cat C license got semi-auto 22s?
Not me..
How hard was it to get this license?
I’m looking at:
https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... _TABLE.pdf
Are you a Primary Producer under the Tax Act?
Are you a paid professional pest controller earning most of your income from shooting vertebrate pests?
tom604 wrote:not a chance in h3ll, have a very slim chance of getting cans for centrefires (still loud) less of a chance for rimfire (very quiet), if i remember correctly a copper was killed on his front porch with a .22 (multiple shots) and no one heard a thing so they banned silencers. not sure if anyone was caught over the killing or how they knew a silencer was used
bullzeye wrote:bladeracer wrote:bullzeye wrote:Any guys here with a Cat C license got semi-auto 22s?
Not me..
How hard was it to get this license?
I’m looking at:
https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... _TABLE.pdf
Are you a Primary Producer under the Tax Act?
Are you a paid professional pest controller earning most of your income from shooting vertebrate pests?
Na, I don’t have Cat C. I’m in the city and not a primary producer.
Thought there might be a few country guys on here with Cat C who could share their experiences and the licensing process.
After reading this: https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/Primary ... ctivities/
If you are a cattle farmer, dairy farm or similar - you would obviously qualify as a primary producer.
Daddybang wrote:bullzeye wrote:bladeracer wrote:bullzeye wrote:Any guys here with a Cat C license got semi-auto 22s?
Not me..
How hard was it to get this license?
I’m looking at:
https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... _TABLE.pdf
Are you a Primary Producer under the Tax Act?
Are you a paid professional pest controller earning most of your income from shooting vertebrate pests?
Na, I don’t have Cat C. I’m in the city and not a primary producer.
Thought there might be a few country guys on here with Cat C who could share their experiences and the licensing process.
After reading this: https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/Primary ... ctivities/
If you are a cattle farmer, dairy farm or similar - you would obviously qualify as a primary producer.
Only if ya earn a certain amount a year...I think it's around twenty? Grand. It's something that annoys me. My neighbor has the same land same problems with ferals coming in fro the state forest that surrounds us the only difference is he sells his stock and makes the threshold for primary producer and is eligible for a cat c whereas I use a small mob of cattle for a meat supply and only sell the odd foal so I'm not eligible!!
[/quote]Stix wrote:"""Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.
Ziad wrote:I agree with six, very well written mate.
I wish I had a few more acres... but 6acres would hardly justify getting a cat C firearm .... makes me sad , makes my wife happy.... so happy wife happy life.. or so some say.
Again I can't really see any reason apart from novelty that a semi auto be better... or is the issue more so that of why can't we have them, just cuz we should as we are law abiding firearm users. Lol
Sounds moderators, would on the other hand truly be a beneficial thing to any firearm owner.
sungazer wrote:For Primary Production you don't need to be over any limit. The 20 Grand threshold is if you have a second income that you would like to claim primary production losses against. Without the 20k you can continue to carry forward your primary production deductions/losses many years worth until your primary production income/turnover is above 20k at which time you can use it as offset against a second income.
You should be able to be a registered Primary Producer with just one cow. Anything you sell must be declared as income. I started a Stud farm 35 years ago with one cow that was pregnant and had a calf at foot. Back then it was much harder "apparently". I was able to do it with just my 1 cow and get a primary producer tax number which meant all goods were able to be bought without Sales Tax saved heaps off my first chainsaw . It was just a case of setting up like a business which in reality just meant setting up a business name and a bank account.
Member-Deleted wrote:Agree, they have the intelligence, what many are lacking inis ethics and morals.