Junior shooters license just faffing about?

[rigatoni]

Nothing against junior shooters and all that, just not sure if I'm missing something around the purposes of junior shooters licenses.

Once a junior has their license they still can't own or be responsible for the storage of a firearm, and they can shoot at a shooting range but must be under supervision from an adult license holder.

Anyone can shoot at a range under supervision though...

Don't know if I'm missing something... Does a junior shooters license actually allow them to do anything above and beyond non-licensed persons or is it just to make the kids feel more part of the sport?

[JC102]

In Victoria, they can shoot on private property if they're supervised. I think that's about it.

[Fry]

Yep, they can carry their own shooter around outside of the range under supervision.

Not something a non-licensed person can do...

[Aster]

I think that's pretty much the same across the country.

Allows the kids to carry their own when out and about, but still under supervision.

[Member-Deleted]

Sounds like its worth getting the kids a licence... Not!

[Guliver]

Sounds like its worth getting the kids a licence... Not!

Are you trying to say the junior license has no value? I see it as an incentive for juniors to learn responsible gun handling and be rewarded with their own license at the end of training a step toward obtaining a full license when they become of age. There are many junior license holders in our club who feel a sense of pride when they have worked hard and have something to show at the end of it.

[Member-Deleted]

Not only no value, but a complete waste of time & money.

[disko]

Anywhere a licensed shooter can shoot, I reckon a non-licensed shooter should be able to as well while under supervision.

Makes no sense to me to limit it to shooting ranges.

[Member-Deleted]

The way I do it might be the right way or it might be the wrong way. All I say to my kids (6&8) is only shoot it for a reason, only load it if your going to shoot it & don't point it at anyone. Don't over complicate it. Telling them they need a licence, orange hat, revolving light or whatever is just giving them something else to think of instead of watching what there doing. As disko says why they need a licence at all is beyond me as a non licence shooter can shoot anywhere with the stoke of a pen.

[Guliver]

Kids want to be just like Dad.

Kids need

self`-pride′

n.
pride in one's abilities, status, possessions, etc.; self-esteem.

It may not mean much to you, but kids respond well encouragement, rewards and training. Having their own license is another step in life, tangible evidence of what they have trained and worked for. I guess nobody remembers Boy Scout Merit Badges? Same deal. as far as the kids are concerned.

[yoshie]

In ACT unlicenced people must be supervised by an instructor not another licenced shooter, juniors licenced shooters can be supervised by anyone, another shooter (property) or RO (range)

[pajamatime]

Not only no value, but a complete waste of time & money.

Edited for relevancy:

interesting thing is , I have so far not found anything at least from Queensland police sources that can clarify this.

http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/w ... minors.htm

and Legislative sources

https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGI ... uto,52,616

to be honest unless someone can point me to it I'm under the impression at least for QLD that a minors license has the same "storage" "Possession/ownership" conditions as a adult license. which is a bit odd. maybe I'm not looking in the correct place for this information....

edit: i found this: Additional Notes for Minors:

Licence expires on your 18th birthday
Minors cannot have a licence for recreational shooting;
Minors cannot acquire weapons; and
Category A, B & H can all be on one (1) licence.

Can a minor possess firearms other than for training on an approved range?

Section 52 (1)(a)&(b) of the Weapons Act 1990 states that physical possession and use of a weapon is sometimes allowed for the purpose of training a minor. A minor who is at least 11 years may have physical possession of and use a category A or B weapon or a category M crossbow in a place where it is lawful to physically possess and use a category A or B weapon or a category M crossbow if the minor is under the direct and immediate supervision of a parent, guardian or another person who is acting in the place of a parent or guardian and the parent, guardian or other person is licensed to possess the weapon.

[Member-Deleted]

do you really expect a child to be left on his own Completely unsupervised with something as dangerous as a firearm? i reckon only one type of individual would see the supervision of a child with a firearm as a complete drag....a child lol

Show me where I wrote a child should be left on his own! If you can't read the thread don't bother replying.

[pajamatime]

Show me where I wrote a child should be left on his own! If you can't read the thread don't bother replying.

Nope your right my apologizes, I had been multitasking and got my threads mixed up.

Regardless, you could still find some of what I typed useful to some degree I bet. I would appreciate if you were a little bit more polite too

[Norton]

Junior shooters today, voters tomorrow

[Monty]

Righto, a few posts edited here...

Easy on the language fellows.

[pajamatime]

Junior shooters today, voters tomorrow

indeed! we must educate our young ones well!

[padaro]

A few ranges I know do 'junior' shooting days and stuff like that.

Usually a pretty good turn out, so no shortage of kids wanting to get into it it seems.

[loaded]

There are a few differences between a non-licenced person and a Junior licence.

Firstly the Junior licence allows the holder to shoot in competition shooting. You want your son or daughter to be a top shooter up to Olympic champion they will need a Junior licence.

Secondly, months of turning 18 will receive a full licence renewal, this licence takes effect once 18.
How many junior shooters will go and get a full licence once 18, how many will pay for a renewal when it turns up regardless. I would guess 1 in 500 no Junior licences, 9 in 10 renewal.

Next is the pride and joy the kid will have by having the licence, as already pointed out.

And the Junior licences holder has to pass the tests that a full licence holder sits…shows knowledge, competency, safety, legality.

Also is the fact that it shows that the parent is responsible and (in Vic) law abiding.

[Humir]

Regardless of the legal difference mentioned, I reckon it's good to make the kids feel like they're genuinely part of it.

Going for a shoot is one thing, having a license of their own would be point of pride for heaps of kids I'm sure.

[rigatoni]

In Victoria, they can shoot on private property if they're supervised. I think that's about it.

Yep, they can carry their own shooter around outside of the range under supervision.

Not something a non-licensed person can do...

Ah ok, well as long as they can do something that's ok.

Thanks guys.

[5Tom]

For qld, between the age of 11 and 17, a junior licence allows a kid to legally handle a firearm under supervision, outside of a shooting range with a fully licensed shooter.

A Non-licensed person is allowed to join a hunting party but is illegal to handle a firearm.

[Prettybird]

A Non-licensed person is allowed to join a hunting party but is illegal to handle a firearm.

Is allowed to be a 5th wheel then