Oldbloke wrote:bladeracer wrote:If both are open to the public, then they are public roads. If they're on private property then they're not public.
Certainly if they are on public land they are public.
Be aware the "road" very often refers to the entire width of the road reserve, not just the trafficable bit.[/quote]
Correct. I believe the foot path is considered part of a 'highway'.
Starting to look like even 4x4 tracks are public roads.?
Oldbloke wrote:My question is, what is the definition of a "public road"? Is there one?
Fionn wrote:Oldbloke wrote:My question is, what is the definition of a "public road"? Is there one?
A public road is defined under the Road Management Act 2004.
17 What is a public road?
(1) A road is a public road if it is—
(a) a freeway; or
(b) an arterial road; or
(c) declared under section 204(1) of the Local Government Act 1989; or
(d) declared under section 61 or 93H of the Melbourne City Link Act 1995; or
(da) declared under section 143 of the EastLink Project Act 2004; or
(db) the Peninsula Link Freeway; or
(dc) the West Gate Tunnel tollway; or
(e) a road to which subsection (3) applies; or
(f) a non-arterial State road declared under
section 14(1); or
(g) a municipal road declared under
section 14(1).
bladeracer wrote:Hmmm...not finding many of the main roads around my area in that document, even the road I live on.
bladeracer wrote:Hmmm...not finding many of the main roads around my area in that document, even the road I live on.
Fionn wrote:bladeracer wrote:Hmmm...not finding many of the main roads around my area in that document, even the road I live on.
That link you posted is for roads which the department of transport (formerly called VicRoads) is the road authority for.
The are many other road authorities, such as councils, nation parks etc.
bladeracer wrote:Fionn wrote:bladeracer wrote:Hmmm...not finding many of the main roads around my area in that document, even the road I live on.
That link you posted is for roads which the department of transport (formerly called VicRoads) is the road authority for.
The are many other road authorities, such as councils, nation parks etc.
I think I'll stick with my own definition, unless you want to post links to all the various registers of public roads in Victoria.
Fionn wrote:bladeracer wrote:Fionn wrote:bladeracer wrote:Hmmm...not finding many of the main roads around my area in that document, even the road I live on.
That link you posted is for roads which the department of transport (formerly called VicRoads) is the road authority for.
The are many other road authorities, such as councils, nation parks etc.
I think I'll stick with my own definition, unless you want to post links to all the various registers of public roads in Victoria.
I have no interest in what's a public road or not! I was just answering oldblokes question on what's the definition of a public road.
bladeracer wrote:
Of course, and I'm still none the wiser, that's my point
There is a definition, but it requires trawling through other places to find it, and if all the registers have that same disclaimer in them then it seems to be a pointless exercise anyway. Even if you don't find a road listed in these registers, it still doesn't confirm that it isn't a public road as it may simply have been removed from the register but still retain all the properties of being a public road under the Act.
Fionn wrote:bladeracer wrote:
Of course, and I'm still none the wiser, that's my point
There is a definition, but it requires trawling through other places to find it, and if all the registers have that same disclaimer in them then it seems to be a pointless exercise anyway. Even if you don't find a road listed in these registers, it still doesn't confirm that it isn't a public road as it may simply have been removed from the register but still retain all the properties of being a public road under the Act.
If you want to know if a road is a public road, the easiest way would be ask the local council if they are not the road authority they will tell you who is and then go ask them.
Not sure why you're so concerned about what is it isn't a public road.
bladeracer wrote:
Yes, that could work.
Because we are not allowed to shoot within certain distances of "public roads".
Oldbloke wrote:
So my conclusion is I cannot carry or use a loaded firearm on a "public highway, road or street". (nor across)
But I can do so beside one. Provided I'm in SF. And Also on a 4x4 track would be OK. (providing know one is in danger) As its not a highway, road or street.
Opinions?
Fionn wrote:Oldbloke wrote:
So my conclusion is I cannot carry or use a loaded firearm on a "public highway, road or street". (nor across)
But I can do so beside one. Provided I'm in SF. And Also on a 4x4 track would be OK. (providing know one is in danger) As its not a highway, road or street.
Opinions?
Pretty much right, except that a 4x4 track may be a highway and beside it may be road related area which are both public places.
Oldbloke wrote:My question is, what is the definition of a "public road"? Is there one?
linkoln wrote:Oldbloke wrote:My question is, what is the definition of a "public road"? Is there one?
The old vague laws strike again. It is purposely vague so it can be used against you later on if they think you are doing the wrong thing.
With safes what is a thickness not easily penetrable or what is a lock of sturdy construction, what is not readily accessible. It's 0all set up against us.