Do ammo safes need to be fixed?

[TheFirearmEnthusiast]

Hey guys

I hope that everyone is well

I just have a quick question

I live in Victoria

I bought a little safe that I was planning on using for a bit of extra ammo storage

When it comes to the "rifle safe"
If it's less than 150kg
Then obviously that needs to be bolted into the frame or slab of the house
That's obvious

However
When it comes to "ammo safes"
Do they need to be bolted to the house too?

The legislation seems to say that the ammo needs to be in a "locked container" but that's it
It doesn't seem to elaborate on it
It doesn't actually say anything about having to bolt it to the house or anything like that

What do you guys reckon?

[No1Mk3]

No, not needed. You can store ammo in a tool box left on your kitchen table provided it has a padlock on it, Cheers.

[No1Mk3]

Just a "PS",
Don't put the locked toolbox inside the safe where your guns are as added security or you will be busted, on top of or beside the safe is fine.

[TheFirearmEnthusiast]

No, not needed. You can store ammo in a tool box left on your kitchen table provided it has a padlock on it, Cheers.

That's good news
Thank you for the feedback No1Mk3
I forgot to mention that I live in Victoria
I just edited my post now

[Oldbloke]

No, not needed. You can store ammo in a tool box left on your kitchen table provided it has a padlock on it, Cheers.

Spot on

[Farmerpete]

Just a "PS",
Don't put the locked toolbox inside the safe where your guns are as added security or you will be busted, on top of or beside the safe is fine.

Storing the box in your safe should be perfectly fine providing its locked, most safes now come with a separate locked compartment for ammo storage. So why wouldn't it comply?

[No1Mk3]

G'day Farmerpete,
Because the Law here in Victoria is specific about that. You will recall that separate ammo compartments are fixed to the safe and cannot be simply picked up and carried away with the firearms in that safe, so VicPol allow that. Movable containers must not be stored with firearms as they consider it to be the same as storing ammo WITH the firearms, which is the prohibited part of Law (Sub-Section 1 (3) Schedule 4 Firearms Act) Cheers.

[bladeracer]

Nope, does not need to be secured to the premises.
Although the way prices are heading we might all be locking our ammo in the safes and leaving our other valuables in plain sight to distract thieves away from our precious ammunitions!

Hey guys

I hope that everyone is well

I just have a quick question

I live in Victoria

I bought a little safe that I was planning on using for a bit of extra ammo storage

When it comes to the "rifle safe"
If it's less than 150kg
Then obviously that needs to be bolted into the frame or slab of the house
That's obvious

However
When it comes to "ammo safes"
Do they need to be bolted to the house too?

The legislation seems to say that the ammo needs to be in a "locked container" but that's it
It doesn't seem to elaborate on it
It doesn't actually say anything about having to bolt it to the house or anything like that

What do you guys reckon?

[TheFirearmEnthusiast]

Nope, does not need to be secured to the premises.
Although the way prices are heading we might all be locking our ammo in the safes and leaving our other valuables in plain sight to distract thieves away from our precious ammunitions!

Hey guys

I hope that everyone is well

I just have a quick question

I live in Victoria

I bought a little safe that I was planning on using for a bit of extra ammo storage

When it comes to the "rifle safe"
If it's less than 150kg
Then obviously that needs to be bolted into the frame or slab of the house
That's obvious

However
When it comes to "ammo safes"
Do they need to be bolted to the house too?

The legislation seems to say that the ammo needs to be in a "locked container" but that's it
It doesn't seem to elaborate on it
It doesn't actually say anything about having to bolt it to the house or anything like that

What do you guys reckon?

BladeRacer!
That actually sounds logical to me!

[womble]

My ammo is all over the place and we practice open carry at home.

[womble]

Omg i was only joking.
Watch them all carry on like headless chooks.
Marksman will blow a gasket.

[Skinna]

Im watching but all the chickens have gone--cant see any ...err hang on...nope...yep...there's no chooks here...oh wait up...there is one...!!...& bloody hell it is headless too...!!...

Haha...its you womble...lol...youre the only headless chook here...

[deye243]

Nope, does not need to be secured to the premises.
Although the way prices are heading we might all be locking our ammo in the safes and leaving our other valuables in plain sight to distract thieves away from our precious ammunitions!

Hey guys

I hope that everyone is well

I just have a quick question

I live in Victoria

I bought a little safe that I was planning on using for a bit of extra ammo storage

When it comes to the "rifle safe"
If it's less than 150kg
Then obviously that needs to be bolted into the frame or slab of the house
That's obvious

However
When it comes to "ammo safes"
Do they need to be bolted to the house too?

The legislation seems to say that the ammo needs to be in a "locked container" but that's it
It doesn't seem to elaborate on it
It doesn't actually say anything about having to bolt it to the house or anything like that

What do you guys reckon?

Yes I was told by an officer only six months ago that even those plastic Pelican cases and even the small 50 round 223 ammo containers that have the two tabs to put a padlock in like this is supposably secure and legal .
He just looked at me and said is that a lock container I went yep he said so it's legal.
This is my collection depending on the day

Screenshot_20201127-012402_Gallery.jpg (605.69 KiB) Viewed 3471 times

[TheFirearmEnthusiast]

Nope, does not need to be secured to the premises.
Although the way prices are heading we might all be locking our ammo in the safes and leaving our other valuables in plain sight to distract thieves away from our precious ammunitions!

Hey guys

I hope that everyone is well

I just have a quick question

I live in Victoria

I bought a little safe that I was planning on using for a bit of extra ammo storage

When it comes to the "rifle safe"
If it's less than 150kg
Then obviously that needs to be bolted into the frame or slab of the house
That's obvious

However
When it comes to "ammo safes"
Do they need to be bolted to the house too?

The legislation seems to say that the ammo needs to be in a "locked container" but that's it
It doesn't seem to elaborate on it
It doesn't actually say anything about having to bolt it to the house or anything like that

What do you guys reckon?

Yes I was told by an officer only six months ago that even those plastic Pelican cases and even the small 50 round 223 ammo containers that have the two tabs to put a padlock in like this is supposably secure and legal .
He just looked at me and said is that a lock container I went yep he said so it's legal.
This is my collection depending on the day

Screenshot_20201127-012402_Gallery.jpg

That's awesome deye243
Do you live in Victoria too?

[deye243]

Yep , but the main reason for the small containers is that in Victoria if you have a vehicle with a light fixed to the body for shooting you must transport ammunition in a locked container Hence the small 50 round ones with a padlock on them.
It is a Department of Sparks and Embers law pertaining to locked ammunition in Deer habitat problem is there's only two areas in Victoria than not classified as deer habitat that is Melbourne and Western Victoria even the main street of Bairnsdale is classified as deer habitat

[Fionn]

It is a Department of Sparks and Embers law pertaining to locked ammunition in Deer habitat problem is there's only two areas in Victoria than not classified as deer habitat that is Melbourne and Western Victoria even the main street of Bairnsdale is classified as deer habitat

There is a lot more then 2 areas not classified as deer habitat in Victoria, it's about half the state.

All the dark areas on this map aren't recognised deer habitat.



https://www.gma.vic.gov.au/__data/asset ... abitat.png

[womble]

We need to reduce their habitat then so they are easier to find.

[deye243]

It is a Department of Sparks and Embers law pertaining to locked ammunition in Deer habitat problem is there's only two areas in Victoria than not classified as deer habitat that is Melbourne and Western Victoria even the main street of Bairnsdale is classified as deer habitat

There is a lot more then 2 areas not classified as deer habitat in Victoria, it's about half the state.

All the dark areas on this map aren't recognised deer habitat.



https://www.gma.vic.gov.au/__data/asset ... abitat.png

I wish I had better Google foo .
thanks for that but you got to admit to classify and entire Shire suburbia cities is a bloody joke

[Fionn]

It is a Department of Sparks and Embers law pertaining to locked ammunition in Deer habitat problem is there's only two areas in Victoria than not classified as deer habitat that is Melbourne and Western Victoria even the main street of Bairnsdale is classified as deer habitat

There is a lot more then 2 areas not classified as deer habitat in Victoria, it's about half the state.

All the dark areas on this map aren't recognised deer habitat.



https://www.gma.vic.gov.au/__data/asset ... abitat.png

I wish I had better Google foo .
thanks for that but you got to admit to classify and entire Shire suburbia cities is a bloody joke

For all that people criticise the GMA their website is pretty simple and straightforward in explaining the law.

If you read it it will also explain that recognised deer habitat only applies to crown land.