Legal AR-15 in Australia?

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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Hercl » 10 Apr 2014, 3:02 pm

Will wrote:He had one under his contract shooter license but had to hand it in because the some military somewhere was still using it which made it a "military firearm"?


Specifically, I believe it was due to still being in use in the US military in some places.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by SendIt » 10 Apr 2014, 3:04 pm

Will wrote:He had one under his contract shooter license but had to hand it in because the some military somewhere was still using it which made it a "military firearm"?


I believe that's right. If a rifle is in active military use anywhere in the world it is forbidden here under one of the military firearm clauses.

I'm sure a few slip through the cracks as there are too many countries and too many firearms to get it 100%, but they're obviously working on it with efforts like banning the M14.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by JC102 » 25 Apr 2014, 10:03 am

Will wrote:Steve Lee did that video right?

He had one under his contract shooter license but had to hand it in because the some military somewhere was still using it which made it a "military firearm"?


Speaking of Steve Lee, does anyone know what happened to him? He hasn't posted a video in months.

His video, "Time to Get a Gun" was deleted for some reason. It involved him shooting a variety of semi-auto's, as well as a pump-action shotgun into a moving ute, which was later set on fire and shot up. Maybe he ran into some legal issues?
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by WesleySnipes » 25 Apr 2014, 6:37 pm

Steve Lee has disappeared from the face of the planet it seems, he has been slightly active on his Facebook though, from memory at Christmas.

And we all know every firearm can be used to assault people, which is exactly why the military firearm laws are ridiculous, an AR-15 doesn't make something any more dead than a Mini 14 because of its scary looks.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Combat_Wombat » 25 Apr 2014, 8:06 pm

Just say they did release a bolt action AR here and it was a reasonable price would anyone get one? I can't be the only person out there that thinks picatinny rail feels like crap haha
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by NukeBOMB88 » 25 Apr 2014, 8:09 pm

I think I probably would, but my only reason for getting one would be that they looks so baddass :lol:
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Combat_Wombat » 25 Apr 2014, 8:25 pm

:lol: Touché
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by feedr » 26 Apr 2014, 8:21 pm

WesleySnipes wrote:Steve Lee has disappeared from the face of the planet it seems, he has been slightly active on his Facebook though, from memory at Christmas.


This could be just the rumour mill but it's what I read on the net some time ago...

Apparently he lost his license? The story was that in one of his videos he had his Cat C out and left the room during the video (left the rifle unattended) so gone done for improper storage or something along those lines?

As I said could be wrong, if so apologies to Steve. That's just what I read...
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Lyam » 26 Apr 2014, 8:26 pm

Combat_Wombat wrote:Just say they did release a bolt action AR here and it was a reasonable price would anyone get one?


I reckon there would be a huge 'cool factor' make up on it and it would cost a fortune.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by tripletwo » 26 Apr 2014, 8:30 pm

Combat_Wombat wrote:Just say they did release a bolt action AR here and it was a reasonable price would anyone get one?


I suppose you could just buy a Rem 700 and the TAC21 chassis to get basically that now...

$700 for the chassis I think, plus whatever the rifle costs.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by JC102 » 27 Apr 2014, 6:38 pm

feedr wrote:This could be just the rumour mill but it's what I read on the net some time ago...

Apparently he lost his license? The story was that in one of his videos he had his Cat C out and left the room during the video (left the rifle unattended) so gone done for improper storage or something along those lines?

As I said could be wrong, if so apologies to Steve. That's just what I read...


I hope that's not the case.

I noticed another video of him shooting handguns with his son on private property was also deleted. Unless I'm mistaken, no state or territory allows you to shoot a pistol on private property.

Anyway, I hope he makes an update video soon.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by feedr » 28 Apr 2014, 11:35 am

JC102 wrote:I noticed another video of him shooting handguns with his son on private property was also deleted. Unless I'm mistaken, no state or territory allows you to shoot a pistol on private property.


Sound like what I heard.

Unless he was shooting overseas I believe you're correct. No Australian state allows pistol shooting on private property.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Skadoo » 28 Apr 2014, 11:36 am

That would definitely be grounds for cancelling his license.

You can't argue with video evidence...

Be sure that the fuzz are aware of sites like his as well.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Hinky » 28 Apr 2014, 11:41 am

It wasn't here, but I read that happened to someone on another forum as well.

Some guy in WA did the same thing, filmed him self target-shooting his handgun on his rural property and posted in on YouTube and his forum.

Police saw it, found his details and cancelled his license too.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Norton » 28 Apr 2014, 11:44 am

I'd like to be able to shoot pistols on a suitable private property, I think that's reasonable.

Dunno what you can say for the blokes above though. You know it's prohibited and you film yourself doing it and post it on the net? What else would you expect but to lose your stuff?

Always gotta be sure you're doing the right thing to protect your rights here.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Monty » 28 Apr 2014, 11:48 am

Skadoo wrote:Be sure that the fuzz are aware of sites like his as well.


And here, and all shooting forums I imagine.

There are a few members here who I know are also members of various state Police forces. I imagine there are a few more I don't know about as well.

They're here as regular members and not here to spy, I'm sure. But if you're making a show of yourself doing the wrong thing, they'll obviously be obliged to follow up on that in a police capacity.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by buster » 28 Apr 2014, 8:30 pm

Norton wrote:I'd like to be able to shoot pistols on a suitable private property, I think that's reasonable.


Wouldn't mind a low capacity sidearm for hunting either.

Not holding my breath though.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by JC102 » 29 Apr 2014, 12:40 am

Norton wrote:I'd like to be able to shoot pistols on a suitable private property, I think that's reasonable.

Dunno what you can say for the blokes above though. You know it's prohibited and you film yourself doing it and post it on the net? What else would you expect but to lose your stuff?

Always gotta be sure you're doing the right thing to protect your rights here.


Why can't you shoot handguns on private property in the first place?

If that's what happened with Steve, I would have thought he'd have known better.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Norton » 29 Apr 2014, 10:19 am

JC102 wrote:Why can't you shoot handguns on private property in the first place?


If I was writing our firearms laws you would be able to.

As you know we need a 'genuine reason' to own our firearms in Australia.

Currently the only one for owning/shooting a pistol is target shooting which must be done at an approved range. Practice target shooting on private property is not currently allowed.

I dunno what happened with Steve so I won't speculate.

My point was just that if you film yourself doing something wrong and publish it on the net, don't be surprised if there are ramifications from it. Especially if you're as well known and vocal as Steve. I'm sure there would be plenty of anti's watching his videos who would be happy to dob him in for anything they could.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Norton » 29 Apr 2014, 10:25 am

buster wrote:Wouldn't mind a low capacity sidearm for hunting either.


I've said before I think that's a valid reason. Something to dispatch downed game.

The government disagrees with me though.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Manimal » 29 Apr 2014, 10:32 am

JC102 wrote:If that's what happened with Steve, I would have thought he'd have known better.


I dunno if that's what happened but anyone can make an honest mistake I guess.

Perhaps this happened, and on film?
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by JC102 » 29 Apr 2014, 4:32 pm

Norton wrote:If I was writing our firearms laws you would be able to.

As you know we need a 'genuine reason' to own our firearms in Australia.

Currently the only one for owning/shooting a pistol is target shooting which must be done at an approved range. Practice target shooting on private property is not currently allowed.


Thanks for that.

Was that the case pre '96?
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by JC102 » 29 Apr 2014, 4:43 pm

Manimal wrote:I dunno if that's what happened but anyone can make an honest mistake I guess.

Perhaps this happened, and on film?


I'm guessing his videos did him in.

He had one video where him and his son were shooting a Magnum. Another where his friend fired a pump shotgun into a moving ute etc. And one more where he was hunting with a semi-auto and accidentally pointed it at the cameraman.

The antis must have had a field day.

Apologies if I'm wrong, but he must have known shooting handguns on private property wasn't allowed, so it wasn't too smart to be filming it and putting it on his YouTube. Having his friend shoot at the ute probably didn't do him any favours either.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Norton » 30 Apr 2014, 9:42 pm

JC102 wrote:Was that the case pre '96?


I believe so, yeah.

Pistols have always been stricter than rifles.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Manimal » 30 Apr 2014, 9:44 pm

JC102 wrote:Apologies if I'm wrong, but he must have known shooting handguns on private property wasn't allowed, so it wasn't too smart to be filming it and putting it on his YouTube. Having his friend shoot at the ute probably didn't do him any favours either.


Who knows.

Guess we'll see if he resurfaces sooner, or a few years when he could get his license back? (if he did in fact lose it)
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Bauer » 02 May 2014, 8:10 pm

do replicas of AKs and AR-15s and the likes fall under a collector's license or still category D?
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by brisb » 04 May 2014, 12:26 pm

Replicas are treated the same as their original AFAIK.

There is also the "similar in appearance or function" to military weapons bit. An AK would obviously fall under that.

Same category and storage requirements as the real thing.
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by WesleySnipes » 09 May 2014, 5:56 pm

Related to Steve Lee, this just up explaining everything...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yKsVWfHNvY
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by Manimal » 13 May 2014, 2:53 pm

"a bit of a run in with the firearms registry"

Sounds like a suspended/lost license to me?
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Re: Legal AR-15 in Australia?

Post by WesleySnipes » 13 May 2014, 3:01 pm

Manimal wrote:"a bit of a run in with the firearms registry"

Sounds like a suspended/lost license to me?


Yeah, from memory he explains it a bit more towards the end of the video. The issue was in regards to his M14 and the related video.

Our firearms registry is ridiculous...
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