Oldbloke wrote:Soo, I'm not for killing natives willy, nilly. In fact we should consider ourselves lucky to have the unique flora and fauna that we do have.
But these new proposed changes do seem way over the top IMHO.
http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/lates ... n%20course
animalpest wrote:I am unsure of the current requirements for culling wildlife in Victoria. Perhaps someone could explain the difference in current versus proposed changes?
Is this just for roos or any native wildlife?
Other than consulting with third parties (e.g neighbours) which doesn't mean getting their approval, and having to do a management plan (onerous for the average farmer) then it doesn't appear too tough.
animalpest wrote:Yeah Bladeracer, I can imagine when roos are hammering your crop, you just want to cull them. And fair enough.
In some cases, scaring, relocating, fencing etc can help. But these take time to work your way through. Catching and relocating can be an expensive option (I have a lot of experience in this).
Having to consider the options as part of a management plan would be better than having to try them all.
animalpest wrote:Part of the costs of relocation is determining where they can be relocated to. It's needs enough room and feed to take extra animals and the feed etc need to be similar.
Capture myopathy can be a big issue with roos. If they are stressed they can die from it. So the capture process itself is critical. There have been very successful relocation programs and there have been dismal failures, purely depending on the stress of the animals prior to capture.
Relocation is not an option for most roos in a farm type setting.
animalpest wrote:Bladeracer I think you have missed the point.
We don't shoot all roos because they are a pest in some areas, we shoot roos where and when they are a pest.
Killing a native animal (compared to foxes and rabbits) should be a considered and reasoned as a method of management. Justified because they cause damage and shooting humanely is the most effectively way to reduce the damage.
Not all kangaroos are pests that need to be shot. If we can consider all options with death of the animals as the last resort then that allows us to consider
other options without anything being killed - the best outcome.
In some circumstances, shifting the animals without killing them is warranted. Problem solved and animals live.
I am concerned that the only option you consider is shooting.
animalpest wrote:Part of the costs of relocation is determining where they can be relocated to. It's needs enough room and feed to take extra animals and the feed etc need to be similar.
Capture myopathy can be a big issue with roos. If they are stressed they can die from it. So the capture process itself is critical. There have been very successful relocation programs and there have been dismal failures, purely depending on the stress of the animals prior to capture.
Relocation is not an option for most roos in a farm type setting.
NTSOG wrote:animal pest: "In some circumstances, shifting the animals without killing them is warranted. Problem solved and animals live."
So who pays for the hungry animals to be moved and who determines where they are to go? To my mind if relocation is to occur then the State government should pay as the 'roos 'belong' to the Crown. As for the site for relocation I would understand if farmers in the chosen area became somewhat upset at the possibility of a bunch of hungry 'migrant' 'roos being dumped on them.
I assume that when relocation 'programs' are run there will be a cast of thousands: government officials from various departments, RSPCA, 'unbiased' animal liberation types including PETA and all overseen by left-wing oriented and city-based media ready to exaggerate/distort any problems arising.
Jim
animalpest wrote:Yeah Bladeracer, I can imagine when roos are hammering your crop, you just want to cull them. And fair enough.
In some cases, scaring, relocating, fencing etc can help. But these take time to work your way through. Catching and relocating can be an expensive option (I have a lot of experience in this).
Having to consider the options as part of a management plan would be better than having to try them all.
Oldbloke wrote:animalpest wrote:Yeah Bladeracer, I can imagine when roos are hammering your crop, you just want to cull them. And fair enough.
In some cases, scaring, relocating, fencing etc can help. But these take time to work your way through. Catching and relocating can be an expensive option (I have a lot of experience in this).
Having to consider the options as part of a management plan would be better than having to try them all.
Just with my very limited knowledge, to try all options could easily be way over the top. But then given they are a native, other management strategies should be considered. Just jumping directly to shooting seems to me could be omitting other worth while options.
animalpest wrote:As far as I am aware going straight to culling is permitted in most States, although some areas may require a permit.
Relocation is a specialised field requiring a vet or other approvals/licencing to use the imobilising/tranquilizer drugs that it's a very limited option.