Appearance Laws might change-am I dreaming?

[Oldbloke]

Well, there is a small possibility that these laws may change for the better in Victoria.
Here's hoping. There "appears" to be some sort of agreement between both ALP & LNP that they need to be changed.

https://sifa.net.au/when-appearance-was ... -function/

[on_one_wheel]

It should change.
It's a law that does nothing to improve public safety, wastes tax payers money to administrate and wastes the resources of those administrating the rubbish.
That time and money should be spent focusing on the Black market firearms.

[deye243]

Well having appearance laws is news to me especially when you can get something like this registered with no resistance from the registry whatsoever has anybody on here been knocked back because of appearance laws in vic

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[No1Mk3]

Well having appearance laws is news to me especially when you can get something like this registered with no resistance from the registry whatsoever has anybody on here been knocked back because of appearance laws in vic

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Yes, 11 separate occasions over the years, and I know of at least 20 others just in my club alone. Add to that the 1/2 a dozen or so bolt action and pump action firearms classed as Cat D here in Vic due to "military appearance" and some of us are well aquainted with these bollocks laws.

[on_one_wheel]

Yet somehow we can actually own legitimate second hand military rilfes.

[deye243]

Well having appearance laws is news to me especially when you can get something like this registered with no resistance from the registry whatsoever has anybody on here been knocked back because of appearance laws in vic

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Yes, 11 separate occasions over the years, and I know of at least 20 others just in my club alone. Add to that the 1/2 a dozen or so bolt action and pump action firearms classed as Cat D here in Vic due to "military appearance" and some of us are well aquainted with these bollocks laws.

I've honestly never heard of anybody being knocked back unless it was for a semi Auto or what they deem as too many of the same Calibre.
I'm in the gun shop up here twice a week on average we were only talking about this about 6 months ago as I was thinking of buying something and even the proprietor said they have not had any knocked back they put in quite a few each week .

[Oldbloke]

Yet somehow we can actually own legitimate second hand military rilfes.

YES, these laws have always done my head in. Its insane.

And although it will never (dont say that) effect me you do hear of a few cases and its just plain stupid, stupid, stupid.

[cz515]

The point i always make about the appearance laws is, by law you cannot have firearms on public display. So you cannot scare the poor general public by these "scary" looking firearms.

[deye243]

I think you will find the appearance laws are based more on inept police training as they can't tell the difference even at a short distance

[cz515]

Maybe they need specsavers

[bigpete]

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Here's an appearance that would change the laws....

[deye243]

Maybe they need specsavers

After all the dribble i have heard pour out of their mouths over the last 40 years they need a helluva lot more than specsavers only ever ran into about 4 who actually understood and new what they were talking about .

[No1_49er]

Here's an appearance that would change the laws....

Oh yeh. Definitely loaded.

[Tomotron]

Well, there is a small possibility that these laws may change for the better in Victoria.
Here's hoping. There "appears" to be some sort of agreement between both ALP & LNP that they need to be changed.

https://sifa.net.au/when-appearance-was ... -function/

I've seen older versions of the Firearms Act 1996. Vic didn't have appearance laws until mid-2007. That was when the Bracks Government gave the Chief Commissioner powers to temporarily declare Cat A, B, and C firearms as Cat D or E based on design, function, or appearance. Around mid-2008, the Chief Commissioner was given powers to permanently do the same thing.

Hopefully Sections 3A, 3B, and 3C are removed for good.

[deye243]

Well, there is a small possibility that these laws may change for the better in Victoria.
Here's hoping. There "appears" to be some sort of agreement between both ALP & LNP that they need to be changed.

https://sifa.net.au/when-appearance-was ... -function/

I've seen older versions of the Firearms Act 1996. Vic didn't have appearance laws until mid-2007. That was when the Bracks Government gave the Chief Commissioner powers to temporarily declare Cat A, B, and C firearms as Cat D or E based on design, function, or appearance. Around mid-2008, the Chief Commissioner was given powers to permanently do the same thing.

Hopefully Sections 3A, 3B, and 3C are removed for good.

The one thing that really needs to be taken out of the 1996 firearms act is that bulshit quote not to carry a firearm in a manner as to alarm the public what a load of crap.
It never bothered me until I moved into a brand-new house with no front yard no backyard access to speak off now I have to walk out my front door to put my firearms into the car what a joke all it takes is for my neighbour to ring the cops and say he seen me put my Firearms in the car and I'm in the s***

[Fionn]

The one thing that really needs to be taken out of the 1996 firearms act is that bulshit quote not to carry a firearm in a manner as to alarm the public what a load of crap.
It never bothered me until I moved into a brand-new house with no front yard no backyard access to speak off now I have to walk out my front door to put my firearms into the car what a joke all it takes is for my neighbour to ring the cops and say he seen me put my Firearms in the car and I'm in the s***

Their is no such law in the Firearms Act 1996.

[deye243]

Ok then tell me why they have to be covered and out of sight of the public at all times have i worded it the wrong way happy to be stood corrected .

[Fionn]

Ok then tell me why they have to be covered and out of sight of the public at all times have i worded it the wrong way happy to be stood corrected .

They don't.

[deye243]

Not according to my local gun shop as he has taken delivery of entire collections because of this very reason on more than one occasion so what law are they using.
With one bloke he had his 3006 on the backseat of his car as he went through macdonald's on the way home i don't have a problem with this but the plod definitely did .

[Fionn]

Not according to my local gun shop as he has taken delivery of entire collections because of this very reason on more than one occasion so what law are they using.
With one bloke he had his 3006 on the backseat of his car as he went through macdonald's on the way home i don't have a problem is the the plod definitely did .

No idea, you're the one telling the stories. If you want me to guess you will need to give more details, but even then its a guess.

It seems a little know fact that Victoria has open carry laws as long as the firearm isn't loaded.

[Oldbloke]

Not according to my local gun shop as he has taken delivery of entire collections because of this very reason on more than one occasion so what law are they using.
With one bloke he had his 3006 on the backseat of his car as he went through macdonald's on the way home i don't have a problem is the the plod definitely did .

No idea, you're the one telling the stories. If you want me to guess you will need to give more details, but even then its a guess.

It seems a little know fact that Victoria has open carry laws as long as the firearm isn't loaded.

Yeh, perhaps. See how you go, on a train or bus in the CBD.

Just make sure you have your runners on. And an antidote for pepper/capsicum spray.

[Fionn]

While not against the law, it doesn't mean it's a sensible thing to do.

[deye243]

Not according to my local gun shop as he has taken delivery of entire collections because of this very reason on more than one occasion so what law are they using.
With one bloke he had his 3006 on the backseat of his car as he went through macdonald's on the way home i don't have a problem is the the plod definitely did .

No idea, you're the one telling the stories. If you want me to guess you will need to give more details, but even then its a guess.

It seems a little know fact that Victoria has open carry laws as long as the firearm isn't loaded.

Ok then tell me why several people in my district have been busted for having a loaded magazine on the dashboard it's one of those laws where nothing is written but it's at the discretion of the and I say this the begrudgingly officer.

[on_one_wheel]

I've read the same about keeping firearms out of sight, covered, bagged, I'll have a look tomorrow, it may have apon the SA pta paperwork re fronting up to the station for registration.

The police like to enact their own set of rules, they just don't expect us to defend ourselves or get provided with a good defence team like old mate who nearly got dragged through the ringer for cleaning his rifle in his lounge room with the curtains open.

[deye243]

I've read the same about keeping firearms out of sight, covered, bagged, I'll have a look tomorrow, it may have apon the SA pta paperwork re fronting up to the station for registration.

The police like to enact their own set of rules, they just don't expect us to defend ourselves or get provided with a good defence team like old mate who nearly got dragged through the ringer for cleaning his rifle in his lounge room with the curtains open.

Yes I remember that but I don't think that was in Victoria was it ?

[Oldbloke]

I've read the same about keeping firearms out of sight, covered, bagged, I'll have a look tomorrow, it may have apon the SA pta paperwork re fronting up to the station for registration.

The police like to enact their own set of rules, they just don't expect us to defend ourselves or get provided with a good defence team like old mate who nearly got dragged through the ringer for cleaning his rifle in his lounge room with the curtains open.

This is becoming a real problem. Or perhaps social media is making us more aware of what's been going on all along.

[Fionn]

Ok then tell me why several people in my district have been busted for having a loaded magazine on the dashboard it's one of those laws where nothing is written but it's at the discretion of the and I say this the begrudgingly officer.

All laws are written, enforcement discretion is about the application of the laws, not making them up on the fly.

You claim they were busted for it, what offence where they charged with?

There are laws about this sort of thing in declared deer habitat at certain times.

[on_one_wheel]

I've read the same about keeping firearms out of sight, covered, bagged, I'll have a look tomorrow, it may have apon the SA pta paperwork re fronting up to the station for registration.

The police like to enact their own set of rules, they just don't expect us to defend ourselves or get provided with a good defence team like old mate who nearly got dragged through the ringer for cleaning his rifle in his lounge room with the curtains open.

This is becoming a real problem. Or perhaps social media is making us more aware of what's been going on all along.

We're definitely becoming more aware, I reckon the likes of NSC are helping with that as well.

OK... so I took a look at the firearms Regulations. Page 95
Part 3 - 26 (4) - Security of firearms and ammunition while being transported.
It's stated quite clearly that firearms must be covered.
(Sorry to Burst your bubble again fionn)

[Lazarus]

Not according to my local gun shop as he has taken delivery of entire collections because of this very reason on more than one occasion so what law are they using.
With one bloke he had his 3006 on the backseat of his car as he went through macdonald's on the way home i don't have a problem with this but the plod definitely did .

You are correct Deye, at least regarding NSW


https://www.ssaa.org.au/?ss_news=guns-a ... sportation

[Fionn]

We're definitely becoming more aware, I reckon the likes of NSC are helping with that as well.

OK... so I took a look at the firearms Regulations. Page 95
Part 3 - 26 (4) - Security of firearms and ammunition while being transported.
It's stated quite clearly that firearms must be covered.
(Sorry to Burst your bubble again fionn)

Sorry to disappoint but you need to work on bubble bursting skills.

We are talking about Victoria laws here, I thought you would have gathered that seeing we were talking about the Firearms Act 1996, Appearance laws in Victoria, the linked article was about the Victorian Firearms Amendment Bill 2022, I clearly stating I was talking about Victoria and not to mention its the Victorian gun laws section of the forum.

But you missed all that didn't you. Not to quick on the uptake are we.