Laws on shooting with an unlicensed person

[Shorti85]

Can anyone tell me if its ok for a mate to come shooting with me if he isn't licensed? Will I get in s**t if he's shooting my gun while we are out?

[AusC]

Hi Shorti,

Your unlicensed friend can shoot with you at a range all day long.

He can not shoot on private property or in state forests.

[Shorti85]

Thanks AusC

[Monty]

A range is the only place an unlicensed person can shoot in Victoria as Ausc said.

No go hunting on public property and if a ranger/authority caught you in the state forest you'd both be charged for firearms offences.

Him for using an firearm while unlicensed, you for providing it.

[David Brown]

Something I have never bothered to look into but as we have uniform gun laws (not) does anyone know what the other states do in this regard?

[TheDude]

Something I have never bothered to look into but as we have uniform gun laws (not) does anyone know what the other states do in this regard?

In Queensland, it's the same, unlicensed adults aren't allowed to even touch a firearm unless signed in at an approved range.

Interestingly, minors 11-18 are allowed to shoot under direct supervision from a licensed shooter.

[trekin]

Something I have never bothered to look into but as we have uniform gun laws (not) does anyone know what the other states do in this regard?

In Queensland, it's the same, unlicensed adults aren't allowed to even touch a firearm unless signed in at an approved range.

Interestingly, minors 11-18 are allowed to shoot under direct supervision from a licensed shooter.

No where in the QLD Act or Regs does it state that. Section 53 of the Act covers the procedure for when an unlicenced person (adult or minor) and the club are to follow before said person can take possession of and use a firearm at an approved range.

[TheDude]

Something I have never bothered to look into but as we have uniform gun laws (not) does anyone know what the other states do in this regard?

In Queensland, it's the same, unlicensed adults aren't allowed to even touch a firearm unless signed in at an approved range.

Interestingly, minors 11-18 are allowed to shoot under direct supervision from a licensed shooter.

No where in the QLD Act or Regs does it state that. Section 53 of the Act covers the procedure for when an unlicenced person (adult or minor) and the club are to follow before said person can take possession of and use a firearm at an approved range.

From WLB FAQ

Can a minor possess firearms other than for training on an approved range?

Section 52 (1)(a)&(b) of the Weapons Act 1990 states that physical possession and use of a weapon is sometimes allowed for the purpose of training a minor.  A minor who is at least 11 years may have physical possession of and use a category A or B weapon or a category M crossbow in a place where it is lawful to physically possess and use a category A or B weapon or a category M crossbow if the minor is under the direct and immediate supervision of a parent, guardian or another person who is acting in the place of a parent or guardian and the parent, guardian or other person is licensed to possess the weapon.

[trekin]

Something I have never bothered to look into but as we have uniform gun laws (not) does anyone know what the other states do in this regard?

In Queensland, it's the same, unlicensed adults aren't allowed to even touch a firearm unless signed in at an approved range.

Interestingly, minors 11-18 are allowed to shoot under direct supervision from a licensed shooter.

No where in the QLD Act or Regs does it state that. Section 53 of the Act covers the procedure for when an unlicenced person (adult or minor) and the club are to follow before said person can take possession of and use a firearm at an approved range.

From WLB FAQ

Can a minor possess firearms other than for training on an approved range?

Section 52 (1)(a)&(b) of the Weapons Act 1990 states that physical possession and use of a weapon is sometimes allowed for the purpose of training a minor.  A minor who is at least 11 years may have physical possession of and use a category A or B weapon or a category M crossbow in a place where it is lawful to physically possess and use a category A or B weapon or a category M crossbow if the minor is under the direct and immediate supervision of a parent, guardian or another person who is acting in the place of a parent or guardian and the parent, guardian or other person is licensed to possess the weapon.

My reply was in reference to your statement "In Queensland, it's the same, unlicensed adults aren't allowed to even touch a firearm unless signed in at an approved range.".

[TheDude]

Ah sorry, didn't read properly. I guess I interpreted it as being that no where in the act does it ever authorize a person to be in possession except for section 53.

[cuvy]

No where in the QLD Act or Regs does it state that. Section 53 of the Act covers the procedure for when an unlicenced person (adult or minor) and the club are to follow before said person can take possession of and use a firearm at an approved range.

So does that mean unlicensed adults can shoot under supervision on private property in Queensland? Or is it a case of it not being specifically allowed, hence it is not allowed.

[trekin]

No where in the QLD Act or Regs does it state that. Section 53 of the Act covers the procedure for when an unlicenced person (adult or minor) and the club are to follow before said person can take possession of and use a firearm at an approved range.

So does that mean unlicensed adults can shoot under supervision on private property in Queensland? Or is it a case of it not being specifically allowed, hence it is not allowed.

I prefer to look at it along the lines that if the legislation dose not specifically disallow it, than it's legal to do. This is not legal, or any other type of, advise, just my own militant opinion. Also, it could be argued that if it is legal (as specified under Section 52 (1)(a)&(b) of the Weapons Act 1990) for a minor, than it would have to be for an adult also.

[Sender]

It can be an awful lot of legislation to check at times though

[duncan61]

In West Australia you can hand a firearm to anyone to use as long as they are on the property you own or are licensed for.The example I was given was the farmer hands a rifle to his farmhand to dispatch a sick cow or hunt a fox that has been getting onto the chickens.The only person that can have possession off the property is the licence holder

[sandgroperbill]

I'll have to look that up (wapol site is down atm) but pretty sure it's a little more complex than that. This would apply if the farm was licensed ss a body corporate.
Having said that, if I own a poperty or have the property owner's permission, i can allow someone to use my firearms while under my supervision.

[valkyrie]

On provate property or at a range is ok in sa as long as you directly supervise them

[bladeracer]

In West Australia you can hand a firearm to anyone to use as long as they are on the property you own or are licensed for.The example I was given was the farmer hands a rifle to his farmhand to dispatch a sick cow or hunt a fox that has been getting onto the chickens.The only person that can have possession off the property is the licence holder

Do you have a link to the relevant law that allows this?
When I was living there this would be correct as long as a licenced shooter is supervising the unlicenced shooter. An unlicenced person can't simply wander around the property hunting foxes on his own.
To actually borrow a rifle in that instance (to use it without supervision) even a licenced shooter needs to have that firearm added to his licence to be able to have "possession" of it.

I had to explain this to the Police when I applied for a .223 to hunt a huge property. I was informed "there are already tons of rifles licenced on that property, go borrow one of those."

If this has changed I'd like to know about it.