Lending/borrowing rifles

[juststarting]

Just wondering what the laws are in Vic regarding borrowing or lending a rifle?

Example: both people are licensed firearms owners. One wants to borrow a rifle from the other and go to the range, them return.

[No1Mk3]

G'day juststarting,
Good as gold, I do it often when I am trying out a mates rifle or pistol. To avoid issues, you should leave a photocopy of your licence with your friend, and have a copy of his or at least a note signed by him that you have borrowed his rifle. Note that the firearm must be returned within 14 days or you will have to notify LRD of a change of storage address. It goes without saying, of course, that the borrower must have proper storage facilities. You can also legally borrow from a gundealer if you already have one firearm registered in your name, but they can charge a fee. It is virtually a rental agreement, but the fee must not equal or exceed the purchase price. Cheers.

[VICHunter]

In Victoria it is fine (not the case for all other states I believe).

As long as they have the appropriate category license of course.

e.g. Don't lend your B's to an A only license holder.

[GLS_1956]

I'm going to admit, as an American, I do not understand your alphabet of licenses. Nor do I comprehend questions over lending guns, except when it comes to age or possibly where the gun will be used. Such as loaning someone an Oklahoma "legal" AR-15 that would be taken to California where its features would be illegal.

I do not know how it is in Australia, but here in Oklahoma it is quite common for guns to be handed around when a group of us are at the range. Rifles, pistols and shotguns all get passed about, with the owners approval, for a touch/feel and often to send some lead down range.

My father taught all of his grandchildren how to shoot, he'd taught all of his children to shoot as well, and those kids were all residents, well their parents were, of states other than Oklahoma. When the family gets together, weather permitting, a trip to the range is just part of the reunion. One brother is an Illinois, Chicago suburb, resident the other is in Fort Worth, Texas and I'm still an Okie. But we are all out there handing guns around and burning through ammo as fast as we can without concern on who can shoot what, because right now that is not an issue in the USA.

[happyhunter]

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[Seik]

I'm going to admit, as an American, I do not understand your alphabet of licenses.

If you can be bothered reading it these are the categories in Queensland. To their credit I think all the other Australian states refer to firearms as what they are, "firearms", but Queensland insists on calling everything "weapons".

If you want a laugh scroll down to category M.... That's right, even types of clothing are a "weapon"in Queensland. That's how much the powers that be love that word here.

Category A weapons

(1) Each of the following is a category A weapon if it has not been rendered permanently inoperable-

a) a miniature cannon under 120 cm in barrel length that is a black powder and muzzle loading cannon, depicting a scale model of an historical artillery piece or naval gun;
b) an air rifle;
c) a blank-fire firearm at least 75 cm in length;
d) a rim-fire rifle (other than a self-loading rim-fire rifle);
e) a shotgun other than a pump action shotgun or self-loading shotgun;
f) a powerhead;
g) a break action shotgun and rim-fire rifle combination.

(2) A conversion unit is also a category A weapon.

(3) In this section-- "conversion unit" means a unit or device or barrel that is capable of being used for converting a category A weapon that is a firearm from one calibre to another calibre.

Category B weapons

(1) Each of the following is a category B weapon if it has not been rendered permanently inoperable--

a) a muzzle-loading firearm;
b) a single shot centre-fire rifle;
c) a double barrel centre-fire rifle;
d) a repeating centre-fire rifle;
e) a break action shotgun and centre-fire rifle combination.

(2) A conversion unit is also a category A weapon.

(3) In this section-- "conversion unit" means a unit or device or barrel that is capable of being used for converting a category B weapon that is a firearm from one calibre to another calibre.

Category C weapons

Each of the following is a category C weapon if it has not been rendered permanently inoperable—

a) a semiautomatic rim-fire rifle with a magazine capacity no greater than 10 rounds;
b) a semiautomatic shotgun with a magazine capacity no greater than 5 rounds;
c) a pump action shotgun with a magazine capacity no greater than 5 rounds.

Category D weapons

(1) Each of the following is a category D weapon—

a) a self-loading centre-fire rifle designed or adapted for military purposes or a firearm that substantially duplicates a rifle of that type in design, function or appearance;
b) a non-military style self-loading centre-fire rifle with either an integral or detachable magazine;
c) a self-loading shotgun with either an integral or detachable magazine with a capacity of more than 5 rounds and a pump action shotgun with a capacity of more than 5 rounds;
d) a self-loading rim-fire rifle with a magazine capacity of more than 10 rounds.

(2) Subsection (1) applies to a weapon mentioned in the subsection even if the weapon is permanently inoperable.

Category E weapons

A bulletproof vest or protective body vest or body armour designed to prevent the penetration of small arms projectiles is a category E weapon.

Category H weapons

(1) A firearm, including an air pistol and a blank-fire firearm, under 75 cm in length, other than a powerhead, is a category H weapon, regardless of whether it has been rendered permanently inoperable;

(2) A conversion unit is also a category H weapon;

(3) This section does not apply to a powerhead or category C, D or R weapon;

(4) In this section-- "conversion unit" means a unit or device or barrel that is capable of being used for converting a category H weapon that is a firearm from one calibre to another calibre.

For schedule 2 of the Act, each of the following comprises a class of category H weapon—

(a) an air pistol;
(b) a centre-fire pistol with a calibre of not more than .38 inch or a black-powder pistol;
(c) a centre-fire pistol with a calibre of more than .38 inch but not more than .45 inch;
(d) a rim-fire pistol.

Category M weapons

Each of the following is a category M weapon--

(a) any clothing, apparel, accessory or article designed to disguise any weapon or other cutting or piercing instrument capable of causing bodily harm;

(b) any of the following that is primarily designed for the control of native or feral animals-

(i) an antipersonnel gas of a corrosive, noxious or irritant nature or that is capable of causing bodily harm and any weapon capable of discharging the gas by any means;

(ii) an antipersonnel substance of a corrosive, noxious or irritant nature or that is capable of causing bodily harm and any weapon capable of discharging the substance by any means;

(c) any knife so designed or constructed so as to be used as a weapon that while the knife is held in hand, the blade may be released by that hand;

(d) any clothing, apparel, adornment or accessory designed for use as a weapon or a cutting or piercing instrument capable of causing bodily harm;

(e) any incendiary or inflammable device containing any substance capable of causing bodily harm or damage to property that is primarily designed for vegetation management;

(f) any pistol crossbow designed to be discharged by the use of 1 hand (that is not a toy pistol crossbow) that when discharged is capable of causing damage or injury to property or capable of causing bodily harm;

(g) any crossbow designed to be discharged by the use of 2 hands that, when discharged, is capable of causing damage or injury to property or capable of causing bodily harm;

(h) a Chinese throwing iron that is a hard non-flexible plate having 3 or more radiating points with 1 or more sharp edges in the shape of a polygon, trefoil, cross, star, diamond or geometric shape and constructed or designed to be thrown as a weapon;

(i) a flail or similar device constructed and designed as a weapon consisting of in part a striking head and which, if used offensively against a person, is capable of causing bodily harm;

(j) a device known as a 'manrikiguisari' or 'kusari', consisting of a length of rope, cord, wire or chain fastened at each end to a geometrically shaped weight or handgrip and constructed or designed for use as a weapon;

(k) a device known as a knuckleduster or any device made or adapted for use as a knuckleduster and which, if used offensively against a person, is capable of causing bodily harm;

(l) a weighted glove designed or constructed to be used as a weapon;

(m) a mace or any similar article (other than a ceremonial mace made for and used solely as a symbol of authority on ceremonial occasions); and/or;

(n) any device, not a toy, constructed or designed as a telescopic baton, the extension of which is actuated by the operation of a mechanical trigger.

Category R weapons

Each of the following is a category R weapon--

(a) a machine gun or submachine gun that is fully automatic in its operation and actuated by energy developed when it is being fired or has multiple revolving barrels, and any replica or facsimile of a machine gun or submachine gun that is not a toy;

(b) a unit or device that is capable of being used for converting any firearm to a weapon mentioned in paragraph (a);

(c) a firearm capable of firing 50 calibre BMG cartridge ammunition;

(d) an antipersonnel gas, and an antipersonnel substance, of a corrosive, noxious or irritant nature or that is capable of causing bodily harm, and any weapon capable of discharging the gas or substance by any means, other than a gas or substance and any weapon capable of discharging the gas or substance that is primarily designed for the control of native or feral animals;

(e) an acoustical antipersonnel device of an intensity that is capable of causing bodily harm;

(f) an electrical antipersonnel device of an intensity that is capable of causing bodily harm;

(g) a hand grenade, other than an inert hand grenade, and an antipersonnel mine;

(h) a silencer or other device or contrivance made or used, or capable of being used, or intended to be used, for reducing the sound caused by discharging a firearm;

(i) a rocket launcher, recoilless rifle, antitank rifle, a bazooka or a rocket propelled grenade type launcher;

(j) a mortar, all artillery and any incendiary or inflammable device containing any substance capable of causing bodily harm or damage to property, other than an incendiary or inflammable device primarily designed for vegetation management.

Restricted Item

The following items are restricted items for section 67 of the Act--

(a) handcuffs, thumbcuffs or other similar restraints;

(b) nunchaku or kung-fu sticks or any similar device which consists of 2 hard non-flexible sticks, clubs, pipes or rods connected by a length of rope, cord, wire or chain constructed or designed to be used in connection with the practice of a system of self-defence and which, if used offensively against a person, is or are capable of causing bodily harm;

(c) a billy club, a baton or any device constructed or designed as a telescopic baton, not being a toy or a category M weapon, that if used is capable of causing bodily harm;

(d) any studded glove which if used offensively against a person is capable of causing bodily harm.

[headspace]

AT the range in NSW there's no problems if you want to try out another blokes rifle. I you are an unlicensed person and you want to shoot, in the company of a licensed shooter then after filling out a form and payment of a fee you can shoot at a range, this can be extended to pistols. AS the above post says there are a lot of things that you can't have but in reality few sensible people would want them anyway. It's true our licensing "system" is a bit of an alphabet soup, but it's what we have to work with, and we also work at keeping it from getting worse, and maybe clawing back some other rights where firearms are concerned.

[Baronvonrort]

AT the range in NSW there's no problems if you want to try out another blokes rifle.

The ammo laws could create problems with lending rifles in NSW, where are they going to get the ammo for it , section 65 of the firearms act.
www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/maintop/view ... 996+cd+0+N

[GLS_1956]

God bless you all. Your government sure isn't. The Democratic Party here in the USA would love to inflict your style of "reasonable" gun control on our citizenry, until they could confiscate our guns. But we have a Constitution which keeps throwing stumbling blocks in their path.

Regretfully we just lost Supreme Court Justice Anthony Scalia, a constitutionalist "right of center" voice, on the court. So now our Supreme Court is split 4/4 conservative/progressive. So hopefully the Senate will decline to confirm any of outgoing Obama's nominees and more hopefully we'll have a conservative, or at least more conservative, President next year.

On a better note, yesterday was the first time I've gotten out to the range in over a year. Death in the family and personal health has kept me from getting out until then. I didn't spend much time, about 45 minutes, but burned through about 50 rounds of 22LR through a Colt(Walther) 22 caliber 1911. Had the range to myself so there are no witnesses to disprove my claims of marksmanship.

[AnotherMisfire]

God bless you all. Your government sure isn't. The Democratic Party here in the USA would love to inflict your style of "reasonable" gun control on our citizenry, until they could confiscate our guns. But we have a Constitution which keeps throwing stumbling blocks in their path.

Regretfully we just lost Supreme Court Justice Anthony Scalia, a constitutionalist "right of center" voice, on the court. So now our Supreme Court is split 4/4 conservative/progressive. So hopefully the Senate will decline to confirm any of outgoing Obama's nominees and more hopefully we'll have a conservative, or at least more conservative, President next year.

On a better note, yesterday was the first time I've gotten out to the range in over a year. Death in the family and personal health has kept me from getting out until then. I didn't spend much time, about 45 minutes, but burned through about 50 rounds of 22LR through a Colt(Walther) 22 caliber 1911. Had the range to myself so there are no witnesses to disprove my claims of marksmanship.

You must have access to a helluva lot of ranges...

You're more likely to show up to a range here with no space than an empty one!

~AM

[Title_II]

I live in the Lehigh Valley of Pennsylvania. Not only do we have several ranges in a 20 mile radius, but wherever you stand there are two gun clubs (with private ranges) within 5 miles in every compass direction. Most boroughs (towns) have 2 or more and most townships (incorporated areas outside towns) have several. There is a club nearby I've been planning to join. But I primarily shoot on private land. You can do more damage than way Tannerite, machineguns, flares, smoke, tracers, incendiary, household appliances, we make a mess And, of course, shooting groups or knocking down cans for bragging rights or to test/tune ammo. And doing defensive firearm drills.

[GLS_1956]

You must have access to a helluva lot of ranges...

You're more likely to show up to a range here with no space than an empty one!

~AM [/quote]

Honestly we're not a big range, but to the best of my knowledge we're the only in Payne County, Oklahoma, the nearest other range I know about is a bit more than 30 miles north. The local range is about 10 miles away and takes 10 to 20 minutes to get there. It abuts the local police range, we, the local gun club, lease the land from the city which alleviates the potential problem of developers trying to get it closed.

Right now we have a shotgun range with a couple of skeet tower/trap houses, a Cowboy Action Shooting "Town" that comprises an area about 75 yards wide by 40 yards deep, the "Cow Town" is enclosed by earthen berms that allow the rest of the range to be used during Cowboy Shooting matches. Finally the rest of the range consists of a series of covered firing points running about 125 yards, or so, and out to, presently, 435 yards

[BBJ]

You must have access to a helluva lot of ranges...

Isn't that just about any open space out of the suburbs in the US?

[Title_II]

You must have access to a helluva lot of ranges...

Isn't that just about any open space out of the suburbs in the US?

Like I said, that is where I shoot I spend very little time at organized ranges or gun clubs.

I don't have access to 400+ yards like GLS does, though. I think there is a place a couple hours from here. I probably would if I hunted whistle pigs or yotes. People will let you onto their fields to dust those f'ers.

[GLS_1956]

You must have access to a helluva lot of ranges...

Isn't that just about any open space out of the suburbs in the US?

Like I said, that is where I shoot I spend very little time at organized ranges or gun clubs.

I don't have access to 400+ yards like GLS does, though. I think there is a place a couple hours from here. I probably would if I hunted whistle pigs or yotes. People will let you onto their fields to dust those f'ers.

Most of the land around the town is privately owned, getting permission to shoot on it is an "iffy" thing. Shooting on State or City Government land has it's own questions or rules. Its just easier for me to be a club member, we didn't always have the range we now do. The range we had when I joined was 200 yard for rifles max, but when that was being used no other shooting could be done, because the 200 yard line overshot all other shooting stations. We lost that range due to land development and were without a place to shoot for almost 3 years, or club membership dwindled down considerably, few people are willing to pay dues when there is no place to shoot.

We were fortunate to have a club President and board of directors that diligent in their quest to find a place and they succeeded is striking a deal with the city to make use of the then abandoned police range. So for a few hundred dollars a year for rent, a few thousand for insurance and then a thousand or so for material and members' labor we had a place to shoot once more. A few years after the club had taken over the old range the regional law enforcement range was forced to close because of environmental reasons and guess who was now wanting their range back? For the most part the sharing was cordial enough, there were the times the range was closed to club members for police training and an occasion or three when police officers ran gun club members off the range, which was beyond their authority.

But we were fortunate to have pro-gun City Manager and City Council which brought in a pro-gun Police Chief. That allowed us to lease land adjoining the police range, also city owned land, and build the range we have today People I'm 60 and I've been a club member for more than 40 years but even in pro-gun Oklahoma it takes time effort and money to get a range and to keep it going.

[zobster]

Anyone knows the rules in Tassie? Could I borrow my mate's shotgun for a couple of weeks to try out?

[Gwion]

I believe it's up to 3 months. A few years ago, i borrowed a mates 22lr for a couple of months and i ended up buying it for my wife. Police inspection with borrowed rifle in safe. No issue, they just double checked all was good with my mate. Just get your mate to write a note such as:

Joe blogs has permission to borrow my (make model caliber). Signed John Doe lic#.

Keep it in the safe with the firearm.

[juststarting]

Yep read up on Vic laws, same deal, borrowing is fine between legitimate licence holders.

[Sender]

Yep read up on Vic laws, same deal, borrowing is fine between legitimate licence holders.

License holders of the same category that is.

Just to be clear for other readers