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[AusTac]

Hey fellas,

Was after some experiences of you fellow Vic owners who have multiple firearms of the same caliber and action on a normal A/B longarms license, i've become fond of ye ole 303 and have the opportunity to accuire 2 at a good price, but already having one, ( almost ready to scrap ) i'm not to sure how i'll go getting a permit for 2 more.. experiences gentlemen and gentlewoman?

[Gwion]

I'm not in Vic but what does it cost to have collector added to licence?

[Supaduke]

I have two .308's, I know guys with 3-4 303's, no one blinked an eye. No issues getting PTA, especially being historical guns. I don't think two rifles counts as stockpiling . I don't think you would have any issues.

[Gwion]

I have 20+ 12Ga shotguns on my A/B license, not Interested In a collectors license as then I can't hunt with them.
Just get them and don't worry

I thought was only if the collectors licence was the only licence you hold.....??

[AusTac]

Having had a gander at the vicpol website i apparently will have to join yet another club to gain a collectors license, cannot be effed joining/paying for another gang every year so might just apply and see what happens.

And bentaz mate... intervention :p

[Gwion]

Aus, from Bentaz history it seems a collectors permit is not necessary for what you want. As you say, just put in your PTA.

[Supaduke]

Collectors clubs are pretty cheap. Just be aware of the 15 gun limit, then you need alarms etc.

[AusTac]

Looks like i'll be good to go, thanks for the input everyone

[AusTac]

I have 20+ 12Ga shotguns on my A/B license, not Interested In a collectors license as then I can't hunt with them.
Just get them and don't worry

I thought was only if the collectors licence was the only licence you hold.....??

FIREARMS ACT 1996 - SECT 127A

Offence to use firearms held under a firearms collectors licence
(1) A person must not use a firearm held under a firearms collectors licence unless that person is the holder of a permit issued under section 58.

Penalty: 240 penalty units or 4 years imprisonment.

S. 127A(2) amended by No. 37/2014 s. 10(Sch. item 63.5).

(2) If a police officer reasonably believes that a firearm held under a collectors licence has been discharged, while that firearm was being held under the collectors licence, that police officer may, in accordance with a warrant issued under the Magistrates' Court Act 1989 , take possession of that firearm and may cause tests to be carried out on the firearm to determine whether or not it has been fired.

The section 58 permit is for historical events/ reenacting type stuff not hunting.

And bentaz mate... intervention :p

is that where my friends and family all get together and buy me more safes?

Thats actually the crapest law ever, i never realized that.

And sure haha if you can't beat em join em, whats your favorite?

[Gwion]

I stand corrected...

That really is a completely bollocks clause, though.

[Supaduke]

I believe a dealers license is around $1800 and a shipload of red tape, hope you enjoy forms.

[Gwion]

Plus a butt load of cash to conform with storage/security requirements.

[brett1868]

In the middle state (NSW) I'm not aware of any restrictions around the quantity of firearms in the same caliber providing you have a "Genuine Need" for each. The alarm requirements for >15 firearms is not applicable to sporting shooters and according to the club secretary firearms can be swapped from collector to target / hunting and back again with an email to the registry advising them of the change (provided they are legal as cat A, B or H). I believe SSAA membership is justification enough for a collectors license along with attendance at 1 AGM or club meeting per year. I'll be lodging an application to add "Collecting" to my license in the next couple weeks so I won't be "Classed" as a gun nut or paranoid weapons hoarder by the anti's

[<<Genesis93>>]

3...is the magical number that sends you over the threshold ... the difference between a recreational shooter, hunter target plinker...... and a potential terrorism suspect/militia organiser

'It is said'
(because its a secret popo internal policy, as wrong as such a beast's existence may be)
That after '3' of a chambering (not calibre although vicpol don't know thew difference)

-you'll need to especially justify another.

Solution?
Get the wife a licence and spread the love....

[brett1868]

Solution?
Get the wife a licence and spread the love....

Only works if they don't actually shoot otherwise I'd be cleaning twice as many firearms cause according to my missus, that's mans work and she's not a man.

[<<Genesis93>>]

Cleaning? like inside the long hole?
naaah, only when it get harder to see light through it, right?

From time to time I ust advise her to go past such and such and pick up a parcel for .....me.... you might need to sign for it

Problem is, if the popo do a drop in and suggest she show dem guns.... they might get a slightly blank look

[Gamerancher]

Just took delivery of my "4th" .38-55 Model 1894 Winchester, a nice pre-1900 Deluxe, with pistol grip.
Should I prepare for the door to be kicked down?

[No1Mk3]

G'day AusTac,
Here in Victoria you will be permitted to obtain up to 3 category B firearms (also Cat H) of a particular calibre on your A/B licence without question. After that, LRD will want a separate letter outlining your "Genuine Need" as to why you should be allowed to have another firearm in that calibre. Generally speaking, competition is the main reason, so as a member of the Military Rifle Club I can have 3 rifles per competition, my main comp, backup and spare. For 303 that means 3 for pre-1900 comp, 3 for pre - 1895 comp, 3 for WW1, 3 for WW2, 3 for Carbine shoots, thats 15 Lee Enfields just for that without going scoped for sniper comps, or diopter fitted for full bore. Join a club or be happy with 3. These restrictions do not apply to Cat 1, which is why some here have many shotguns and 22's, Cheers.

[AusTac]

G'day AusTac,
Here in Victoria you will be permitted to obtain up to 3 category B firearms (also Cat H) of a particular calibre on your A/B licence without question. After that, LRD will want a separate letter outlining your "Genuine Need" as to why you should be allowed to have another firearm in that calibre. Generally speaking, competition is the main reason, so as a member of the Military Rifle Club I can have 3 rifles per competition, my main comp, backup and spare. For 303 that means 3 for pre-1900 comp, 3 for pre - 1895 comp, 3 for WW1, 3 for WW2, 3 for Carbine shoots, thats 15 Lee Enfields just for that without going scoped for sniper comps, or diopter fitted for full bore. Join a club or be happy with 3. These restrictions do not apply to Cat 1, which is why some here have many shotguns and 22's, Cheers.

Thanks for the explanation mate sounds like you have a big collection as i expected going to look at 2 no 4 mk 1's somepoint this week

[dugachelli]

In WA I think it's a limit of 5 per calibre but there might be a limit on the total number overall as well.....must check.

[deye243]

i have 4 223 on my A B i'm in vic

[AnotherMisfire]

Up here in Qld they asks when ever I go for my 5th Cat B of the same action and caliber and 3rd of same action caliber for my concealables.

Each time I put in an application now I just list what every rifle of the same action and caliber is for (ie this is hunter class - this is standard match).

They go straight through and don't even call me.

AM

[bladeracer]

Just curious, but what do the Police consider to be the "calibre"?
Technically calibre only refers to the bore diameter so .222, .223, .22-250, etc are all .224 calibre.
Or do they only become interested when you have numerous firearms in the same calibre _and_ chambering?

[AusTac]

for those intrested everything went ok, now i want a spare action for all the screws and springs lol

[MR. WINCHESTER]

I have 20+ 12Ga shotguns on my A/B license, not Interested In a collectors license as then I can't hunt with them.
Just get them and don't worry

Fark .... I thought I was alone, in 'my problem'. Lol

[<<Genesis93>>]

Just curious, but what do the Police consider to be the "calibre"?
Technically calibre only refers to the bore diameter so .222, .223, .22-250, etc are all .224 calibre.
Or do they only become interested when you have numerous firearms in the same calibre _and_ chambering?

Police are the gunses eggspurts....calibre is stated on the PTA then the example calibre is "303BRITISH" ......which is the 'chambering' but you cant argue with the law

Yes, technically 22-250, 223Rem, 222Rem and most other 22centrefires are the same 'calibre'... but anyway, this policy of 3 per calibre (chambering) is BULL$HIT because it is NOT LAW.

....its 'policy', ie. at the discretion of these _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <insert selected descriptives....

[Jandamurra]

@Genesis
I believe the laws are written in such a way as to be open to interpretation. I guess it comes down to one's definition of law-our gun laws at present are certainly not good law.
We've actually gotten off lightly so far.compared to what they have planned for us.
I have a copy of the police minister's conference of 10/5/;96 and quite a few of the things recommended still haven't come to pass:
-Cat C licence holders only allowed to possess 1 rifle and 1 shotgun of that category, not just calibre- unless that has been done? Excuse my ignorance; does anybody know?
-Only being allowed to purchase ammo for the type of firearm you have (temporarily allowed to have access to).
-Only being allowed to purchase a certain amount of ammo.
I don't think I'm giving them ideas because they themselves came up with these ideas no doubt many years before the PAM.

[Gwion]

That is all already law.

[bladeracer]

@Genesis
I believe the laws are written in such a way as to be open to interpretation. I guess it comes down to one's definition of law-our gun laws at present are certainly not good law.
We've actually gotten off lightly so far.compared to what they have planned for us.
I have a copy of the police minister's conference of 10/5/;96 and quite a few of the things recommended still haven't come to pass:
-Cat C licence holders only allowed to possess 1 rifle and 1 shotgun of that category, not just calibre- unless that has been done? Excuse my ignorance; does anybody know?
-Only being allowed to purchase ammo for the type of firearm you have (temporarily allowed to have access to).
-Only being allowed to purchase a certain amount of ammo.
I don't think I'm giving them ideas because they themselves came up with these ideas no doubt many years before the PAM.

I think the Cat C rule is already in?
In Victoria I can purchase ammo for any Cat A/B firearm.
I know WA you can only buy ammo for a firearm that is listed on your licence, because it's also illegal to borrow somebody else's firearm without having it added to your licence first.
Never heard of any limit on ammo or powder or primer purchasing before. I vaguely recall something about not _possessing_ more ammo than you usually shoot in a year - can't remember where I saw that though.

[Gwion]

There are limits to number of rounds you can keep, so technically that is also a buying limit. All these things are already law on one or more states in Australia.