What happens if your firearm is stolen

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It is 100% correct the NEW Area DFO has instructed that no tolerance policy be enforced.
And that is what they are doing, 20 police inexperience’s in longarms have been allocated to the task. The inspections are occurring around Geelong to Warrnambool. The inspections are occurring where there are more than 10 firearms on the property. If you know anyone anywhere near there best you warn them.

And yes they are taking guns and licences.
Some may say well too bad they broke the law.
I bet not everyone here knows the law and cannot garrentee they are 100% legal.
These clowns should be out their helping people understand the law not what they are doing.

I have heard that this DFO has lost his longarm instructors respect that run the safety course, not sure if they are still running it. He is a new rooster in the house trying to show his authority, he’s not making any friends that’s for sure. Yes a reasonable DFO would give you time to fix it up not this sack of…..

[Vati]

Some may say well too bad they broke the law.

A little bit, yeah...

Takes 5 seconds to Google for the requirements in your state.

If you're not sure that you're up to code, that probably a good sign that you're not.

Not that hard really...

[Grrzrr]

I'm with Vati.

150kg + leave it standing. Less than 150kg bolt it down. Not rocket science...

The requirements are readily available on every state Police website. And any gun store could just as easily give you the info.

No point painting your district firearms officer as the bad guy if you didn't do your part. If you've failed to secure your stuff properly that's completely on you.

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Not everyone has the internet.
Not everyone is aware of the security changes that occurred in 2005
Not all know the “police” meaning of “sturdy construction”, “effective alarm system”, “not easily removable”, “not easily penetrable”, “made of steel or any other robust material”……………
Not everyone reads the firearms regulations or Act, why would they 600 pages of very boring read. Give me songs of fire and ice any day.
The people that have lost guns were not aware they were in breach of the law.

Some were in breach of the security change for alarm systems that in 2005 went from 15 pistols to 15 firearms.
Im talking about people that have had guns for 20 or more years and like me don’t read all just browse the application forms or licence renewals information.

I put this to all, how many of you
Have loaded round on your loading benches – illegal
Have mags or you rifle bolts in the ammo cupboard– illegal
Have loose ammo in your shooting jacket, car, gun room benches– illegal
Has a partner that has access to your firearms but no licence – illegal
Takes a non-licenced shooter hunting allowing to carry or use (Vic) – illegal

Yes you may be right the law is easy to find its far from crystal clear
I know of one person that had many inspections over 10 years then was told the doors are not of solid construction, was ok every other time, this officer believed solid meant not hollow, others felt that solid meant firm which they were. The fact that the walls were plaster didn’t matter, he was give 2 weeks to replace the doors. The way the inspections are being done at the moment this person would have lost his guns.

[Grrzrr]

I'm not sure what you're aiming for here. Sympathy for them?

"The people that have lost guns were not aware they were in breach of the law."

Since when was "I didn't know" an excuse for breaking the law?

Like the laws or not, it's each owners responsibility to stay up to date and make sure they comply.

Not everyone has the internet? So call a police station, visit a station, call your local gun shop, call a safe manufacturer, borrow someone's computer for 5 minutes. There are no shortage of ways they could have checked and it would have taken 2 minutes. This all just sounds like making excuses for them and saying it was someone elses fault they lost their stuff.

If I did any of the things you mentioned above - left ammo in the car, gave my partner access, took a non-licensed shooter hunting etc. - it would be my fault. No one elses.

Anyway, not going to argue any further about this. That's it from me.

[Westy]

Quick Question why are you guys pointing the finger at firearm owners and not at the theiving Bastards causing all the problems??????

[Grrzrr]

We got off topic here but I/loaded were talking about people getting there licenses suspended for improper storage, not thieves.

Anyway, as above, excuses like "I don't have the internet" are rubbish. It's peoples own responsibility to keep their affairs in order and if they don't store their stuff properly that's on them, not the big bad firearms officer who takes away their toys.

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One of the latest causalities of these inspections is an 85 year old man.

Police turned up at his door. He had removed his hearing aid for the day and could not tell what they wanted. The police being righteous, fair and honourable, took his guns and cancelled his licences on the grounds that because they (police) could not communicate with him he’s not "a fit and proper person" to have a licence.

The age of this person should not come into it there are a lot of hearing impaired shooters out there.

Now please feel free on comment on this gentleman breaking the law. Because Im sure the police being the administrators of justice believe being hearing impaired makes you “not a fit and proper person”. I believe this case is discrimination, however under the act the police may win in court, the may be one interpretation of the law.

I believe this gentleman because of his age and the hassles of attending court is not going to appeal.

I have to say it but others are going to follow. This is downright wrong, unfair, unjust, and excessive.