Repeating Rifles with no licence?

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Repeating Rifles with no licence?

Post by CommunistPigeon » 28 Oct 2020, 3:03 pm

I do not own a licence or a gun, so I have no idea how any of these rules work, but just to get this straight - would it be possible to buy and own a repeating rifle of a model that ceased manufacturing before 1st January 1900?
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Post by BangWhizzClack » 20 Nov 2020, 5:14 pm

Sure, if you could find one, I don't know of many pre-1900 firearms though. The firearm cannot be able to use commercially made ammo, and if you are going to shoot it, you have to be licensed and have it registered as far as I'm aware. "No.1Mk3" is the guy on here who seems to be the specialist. But you should be able to use the search function and find very similar threads with answers.
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Post by BangWhizzClack » 20 Nov 2020, 5:37 pm

CommunistPigeon wrote:I do not own a licence or a gun, so I have no idea how any of these rules work, but just to get this straight - would it be possible to buy and own a repeating rifle of a model that ceased manufacturing before 1st January 1900?


Follow this link imposter and you might find the answers you are looking for: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14561
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Post by bladeracer » 20 Nov 2020, 6:51 pm

CommunistPigeon wrote:I do not own a licence or a gun, so I have no idea how any of these rules work, but just to get this straight - would it be possible to buy and own a repeating rifle of a model that ceased manufacturing before 1st January 1900?


With some restrictions, like not being chambered for a commercially available cartridge.
And you would not be able to possess ammunition, or fire the rifle.
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Post by No1Mk3 » 21 Nov 2020, 12:40 am

G'day CommunistPigeon,
I am not wholly familiar with Tasmanian law, from what I've read it is lawful to own pre-1900 obsolete calbre repeating rifles in Tasmania with a Police Commissioners Exemption. The Act itself is not explicit like ours is in Victoria but TasPol website does mention it regarding Collections. I would suggest you contact Police directly for more information.
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Post by CAVEMAN » 21 Nov 2020, 10:02 am

From your posts i'm guessing your looking at this for either COSPLAY or such. Just remember there's a fine line between what's acceptable and what could land you in allot of trouble. Firearms real fake or some where in-between, come with an attached amount of responsibility and liability. Things can be done but there's allot of effort involved and often the juice is not worth the squeeze.

Don't take this as a putdown just a bit of advice that might help you from a potential sticky situation.
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Post by RoginaJack » 21 Nov 2020, 1:16 pm

Could a Collectors License solve the problem?
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Post by CommunistPigeon » 24 Nov 2020, 9:51 am

CAVEMAN wrote:From your posts i'm guessing your looking at this for either COSPLAY or such. Just remember there's a fine line between what's acceptable and what could land you in allot of trouble. Firearms real fake or some where in-between, come with an attached amount of responsibility and liability. Things can be done but there's allot of effort involved and often the juice is not worth the squeeze.

Don't take this as a putdown just a bit of advice that might help you from a potential sticky situation.


I'm not interested in cosplay, I just love the aesthetic of some game weapons, namely from ID's games. I also like repeating rifles, but for other reasons.
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Post by BangWhizzClack » 24 Nov 2020, 10:06 am

CommunistPigeon wrote:
CAVEMAN wrote:From your posts i'm guessing your looking at this for either COSPLAY or such. Just remember there's a fine line between what's acceptable and what could land you in allot of trouble. Firearms real fake or some where in-between, come with an attached amount of responsibility and liability. Things can be done but there's allot of effort involved and often the juice is not worth the squeeze.

Don't take this as a putdown just a bit of advice that might help you from a potential sticky situation.


I'm not interested in cosplay, I just love the aesthetic of some game weapons, namely from ID's games. I also like repeating rifles, but for other reasons.


Be careful with those words :p someone might have a go at you for "trying to be dark and dangerous".
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Post by CommunistPigeon » 24 Nov 2020, 10:32 am

BangWhizzClack wrote:Be careful with those words :p someone might have a go at you for "trying to be dark and dangerous".


Point taken. Well I mainly meant the mechanical and aesthetic values. Not... hmm... let's just say "illegal and potentially harmful uses."
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Post by BangWhizzClack » 24 Nov 2020, 10:43 am

CommunistPigeon wrote:
BangWhizzClack wrote:Be careful with those words :p someone might have a go at you for "trying to be dark and dangerous".


Point taken. Well I mainly meant the mechanical and aesthetic values.


I'm just having a laugh mate, I don't really care, I've just had people have a go at me for it here :lol: it was just a heads up. Hell, if wanted it for f***ing zombie slaying I couldn't care less. :friends:
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Post by TassieTiger » 24 Nov 2020, 4:25 pm

:unknown: It would probably be easier to get your license
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Post by Farmerpete » 24 Nov 2020, 6:19 pm

Just go see your local bikie gang they probably have a few and no need to worry about licensing genuine need or waiting period and bonus, you can have a semi, besides getting caught with illegal guns only nets you a slap on the wrist why anyone would get licenced nowadays boggles me.

Disclaimer: I am in no way encouraging you to break the law. the above was meant to show my opinion on current laws only and should not be taken as advice.
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Post by BangWhizzClack » 24 Nov 2020, 8:03 pm

Farmerpete wrote:Just go see your local bikie gang they probably have a few and no need to worry about licensing genuine need or waiting period and bonus, you can have a semi, besides getting caught with illegal guns only nets you a slap on the wrist why anyone would get licenced nowadays boggles me.

Disclaimer: I am in no way encouraging you to break the law. the above was meant to show my opinion on current laws only and should not be taken as advice.


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Post by tachyon » 24 Dec 2020, 10:03 am

In a nutshell can't be done, because...

What the Tasmanian law says is https://fas.police.tas.gov.au/acquiring ... -firearms/

Pre-1900 firearms
You are not required to hold a licence or register a firearm that was manufactured before 1 January 1900 and that was not designed to discharge cartridge ammunition or for which cartridge ammunition is not commercially available.


So while you can find lever guns made before 1900 they are all, by definition designed to discharge cartridge ammunition. While the following list is not exhaustive the vast majority of these pre 1900 lever guns used 30-30, 32-20, 38-55, 44-40, 45-colt and 45-70-government cartridges all of which are still commercially available


ie you can meet the pre-1900 requirement easily but you CAN NOT meet the no commercial ammunition requirement.

If you want a lever gun why not just get a licence? Then you could shoot it too.
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Post by rc42 » 24 Dec 2020, 12:28 pm

There are police documents available which list ammunition types that they consider to be not commercially available, police have no flexibility when it comes to firearms issues, make sure you know the relevant laws for your state and follow them or consequences can be severe.

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... ilable.pdf
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Post by No1Mk3 » 24 Dec 2020, 2:18 pm

[quote="tachyon"] or for which cartridge ammunition is not commercially available.[/quote ]G'day tachyon, it is this part that enables ownership of cartridge rifles as exempt collectors pieces. I am unaware whether Tasmanian Police have a list of them but Victoria and other States do, some Winchesters are chambered in obsoletes but a number of bolt actions are so just as an example,
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In Winchesters the Model 1895 was chambered in such things as 40-72 Win which is obsolete as is the 40-82 used in the Model 1866 lever action. The 1st stop for this is always the Police to see what they allow as obsolete as it can differ from State to State, Cheers.
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Re: Repeating Rifles with no licence?

Post by boingk » 24 Dec 2020, 8:04 pm

Interesting question, but it looks like it hinges on a Police Commisioner's Exemption.

Basically this won't usually happen for a standalone individual.

This sort of exemption is generally designed for display or preservation of firearms which would otherwise be disposed but have a significant sentimental, thematic or historical value.

Think of the antique rifle/shotgun in a display case at a hotel, winery, farmstay, business, pub, historical lodging or privately run museum and you're on the money.

If the reason is "I just want one" then pony up and get a licence, like all the rest of us. The bonus here is that you can get whatever the hell you want... provided it's not semi-auto or a pump-action shotgun. A collectors licence will allow even greater leeway, provided certain conditions are met.

Plus... you get to use them if you have a proper licence!
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