Fozzy wrote:Sounds like they are pretty lax at the moment to be honest.. Better Storage = Less Theft = Better for us all..
Fozzy wrote:Sounds like they are pretty lax at the moment to be honest.. Better Storage = Less Theft = Better for us all..
Fozzy wrote:I dont think a school locker is suitable storage for a firearm Personally. Sorry for having a differing opinion.
Ive spent plenty of times on farms where a rifle is needed on the gun rack etc.. However thats not in a residential street where someone might happen upon it and steal it. Its not a generation thing or anything like that. In my opinion is its common sense if you keep them very secure they wont get stolen as easily.
Yes its illegal to break into someones house and what not we all know that. But it happens and will continue to happen. The governement continues to cut the budget to policing and they will just get further and further stretched and response times will become longer. Its in our best interest to make our guns as secure as possible because otherwise they are more likely to be taken off us... Should we have to.. No but I still think we need to.
End of the day we are all entitled to our opinion.
Fozzy wrote:Im not disagreeing with that.. I would even go as far as saying I support open carry. But when they are unattended in a residence for any period of time they need to be secure.
"BUM CRACK BANDIT" JAILED FOR ROBBERY.
RoginaJack wrote:The Minister for Police and Emergency Management Rene Hidding means well but we've heard all this beating of chest and general huffing and puffing all before and what comes of it, NOTHING other than another impost on law abiding citizens.
When the gun amnesty and new firearms ownership laws were first proposed, we had every state premier and Federal member running around sprouting tougher penalties, heavy fines and minimum jail time for crimes involving firearms and what happened, NOTHING, just another load of hot air and more posturing.
I'd like to know what the Ministers' stats are re B & E to premises with and without firearms being stolen. I also suspect that there is a connection with leaked database information and the B & E as this happens with large screen T.Vs, Lap top Computers and other expensive goods, so why should firearms be an exception.
This might be a good place for the Minister to start the investigation.
model41 wrote:I think that they are on the right track. Less stolen guns is good for all of us.
Watch this space as Victoria will follow and so it should.
Currently legal in Vic are;
school lockers, that can be opened with a screw driver in 5 seconds,
cheap ebay Chinese padlock that will open with a small wack with a hammer,
for pistols digital safes from bunnings that can be opened in 5 seconds with a hammer & battery,
And the list goes on….
These are the bulk of storage facilities guns are being stolen from.
Serious shooters have great storage facilities; hacks have legal but substandard storage.
You guys out there with descent storage will not need to upgrade.
I love my shooting and believe that anyone that cannot spend 500 bucks on a decent gun locker to secure our sport should leave and take up bowls.
Warrigul wrote:No they are not, of the nine instances I know the circumstances of ALL were proprietary gun safes, in one case it was far in excess of requirements(A chubb safe). In TAS you are not allowed lockers or cheap pistol safes.
Many of the existing gun safes sold do not meet the proposed new requirements for storage- how many of you out there have safes with 5mm doors and 3.2mm walls?
Then there is the numbers game, if you have more than 14 firearms you will need a minimum of an $860 back to base monitored (minimum of $105 a month for service) alarm.
So next time have a think and look up some hard facts before you spout some crap that you have randomly thought up in support of another inpost on law abiding people instead of hitting out at those that actually break the existing laws.
When you lay the blame on the owner of the firearms it is a slippery slope to being required to keep firearms at an approved storage facility.
WesleySnipes wrote:With Warrigul here, spending time and money making extreme storage laws for the law abiding citizens will achieve nothing. It will not deter the criminal element nor will it stop any burglaries. As above all of the robberies during a certain period were not cheap school lockers, but proper safes that met or exceeded proper storage requirements. Making new laws whilst not policing the old ones is counter productive at best.
Warrigul wrote:Many of the existing gun safes sold do not meet the proposed new requirements for storage- how many of you out there have safes with 5mm doors and 3.2mm walls?
model41 wrote:Hey Guys my comments were for VICTORIA.
I’m talking about Victorian stolen guns where they are being stolen from storage facilities some that don’t even comply to current legislation (again Victoria). It’s these hacks in Victoria that will cause Victorian laws to change.
You are allowed these cheap and nasty storage requirements (in Victoria).
Sorry to hear that Tassie law makers are going down the track of monitored back to base for over 14. That was dropped in Victoria, it’s now an effective alarm system that complies to the AS.
Again sorry to hear that the alarm companies it Tassie are ripping you off, my monitored alarm costs $30 per month.
You are never going to stop someone breaking in and trying to steel you guns, only make it harder for them.
I sprouted facts for the Victorian situation, for which I do know about, and not from the media I must add.
Cheers.
Fozzy wrote:Sounds like they are pretty lax at the moment to be honest.. Better Storage = Less Theft = Better for us all..
RoginaJack wrote:No one is going to argue against better storage or reasonable security but where do we draw the line? Am I expected to turn my home into a fortress to the extent that where my family need to evacuate; it puts them in danger of being trapped inside.