New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by duncan61 » 31 Jan 2017, 11:21 am

I was concerned about this topic and also am wondering who the antis are.I store 3 rifles at my residence in a store bought gun safe and everything else at an Industrial workshop with security and cameras.I keep the bolts and ammo at the workshop.All my dealings with police over 30 years has been cordial and informative.If you want 10 or more firearms or are a collector having good security makes sense .I read about the Sydney prof who feels disarming everyone will prevent gun homicide but he is not taken seriously by the authorties.It is just his opinion.stop being so outraged and deal with it
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by duncan61 » 31 Jan 2017, 11:22 am

I was concerned about this topic and also am wondering who the antis are.I store 3 rifles at my residence in a store bought gun safe and everything else at an Industrial workshop with security and cameras.I keep the bolts and ammo at the workshop.All my dealings with police over 30 years has been cordial and informative.If you want 10 or more firearms or are a collector having good security makes sense .I read about the Sydney prof who feels disarming everyone will prevent gun homicide but he is not taken seriously by the authorties.It is just his opinion.stop being so outraged and deal with it
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by duncan61 » 31 Jan 2017, 11:38 am

I have know idea why that posted 3 times.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Bills Shed » 31 Jan 2017, 11:58 am

Gwion wrote:
<<Genesis93>> wrote:
Gwion wrote:
You, my friend, and those like you, are the most effective weapon the antis have. Your tired, rabble rousing rhetoric serves only to keep the divide between shooters and non shooters as wide as possible. The "them and us" line is feeble, tired and childish.

Just imagine the headline:
"Shooters Protest Safe Storage of Firearms"

Well done, Genisis, you're really helping the cause!
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Nicely said,

I too will never have 10 firearms or more and if I looked at my rifles as $1000.00 notes I would be pretty broke. If I had a lot of $1000.00 notes in my gun safe I would beef up my security to match the risk on my investment.


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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 31 Jan 2017, 12:05 pm

Gwion wrote:
Gwion wrote:..... if you don't want to do it or cant afford to, sell a few of your firearms so that you have fewer than 10.


Bazzzinga!!
Aaaand they have won.
Exactly what the plan was... to DISCOURAGE the LAWFUL ownership of firearms, so G-banger suggests you not only bend over for them, but hold the container of lube too!!


Gwion wrote: Tassy has the second highest crime rate per capita in Australia after NT. Theft & violent crime rates per capita are around 7 times that in Victoria (from memory, check AIC & ABS). Couple that stat with the ever increasing rise of ICE and that makes increasing security all round a good idea in my book.


While at the same time crime rate are doing what??


So, I guess you're inferring that all the people who comply with these same regs in other states, without complaint, are also just "anti stooges who are happy to take it up the arse"???

You, my friend, and those like you, are the most effective weapon the antis have. Your tired, rabble rousing rhetoric serves only to keep the divide between shooters and non shooters as wide as possible. The "them and us" line is feeble, tired and childish.

Just imagine the headline:
"Shooters Protest Safe Storage of Firearms"

Well done, Genisis, you're really helping the cause!
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Perhaps go back and read my comment, s l o w l y if it helps, theres no inference about people complying, its about people REDUCING THEIR FIREARM STOCKS.....

Now go make a knife, or just hammer your anvil maniacally...

Now cease your nonsense.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by duncan61 » 31 Jan 2017, 12:17 pm

I have know idea why that posted 3 times.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Bills Shed » 31 Jan 2017, 12:43 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:
Gwion wrote:
Gwion wrote:..... if you don't want to do it or cant afford to, sell a few of your firearms so that you have fewer than 10.


Bazzzinga!!
Aaaand they have won.
Exactly what the plan was... to DISCOURAGE the LAWFUL ownership of firearms, so G-banger suggests you not only bend over for them, but hold the container of lube too!!


Gwion wrote: Tassy has the second highest crime rate per capita in Australia after NT. Theft & violent crime rates per capita are around 7 times that in Victoria (from memory, check AIC & ABS). Couple that stat with the ever increasing rise of ICE and that makes increasing security all round a good idea in my book.


While at the same time crime rate are doing what??


So, I guess you're inferring that all the people who comply with these same regs in other states, without complaint, are also just "anti stooges who are happy to take it up the arse"???

You, my friend, and those like you, are the most effective weapon the antis have. Your tired, rabble rousing rhetoric serves only to keep the divide between shooters and non shooters as wide as possible. The "them and us" line is feeble, tired and childish.

Just imagine the headline:
"Shooters Protest Safe Storage of Firearms"

Well done, Genisis, you're really helping the cause!
:clap: :drinks: :friends: :clap:



Perhaps go back and read my comment, s l o w l y if it helps, theres no inference about people complying, its about people REDUCING THEIR FIREARM STOCKS.....

Now go make a knife, or just hammer your anvil maniacally...

Now cease your nonsense.


OK children, now go back to you reloading room and think about what you have done :shock:
I do not think you two are getting anywhere. Go build bullets :drinks:
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Gwion » 31 Jan 2017, 12:49 pm

Bills Shed wrote:
OK children, now go back to you reloading room and think about what you have done :shock:
I do not think you two are getting anywhere. Go build bullets :drinks:
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OK... sorry uncle Bill.... :lol: :unknown: :drinks:
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Bills Shed » 31 Jan 2017, 1:03 pm

Gwion wrote:
Bills Shed wrote:
OK children, now go back to you reloading room and think about what you have done :shock:
I do not think you two are getting anywhere. Go build bullets :drinks:
Bill


OK... sorry uncle Bill.... :lol: :unknown: :drinks:


Good...now go blow something up :clap:
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Jandamurra » 01 Feb 2017, 2:12 pm

Gwion wrote:
<<Genesis93>> wrote:
Gwion wrote:..... if you don't want to do it or cant afford to, sell a few of your firearms so that you have fewer than 10.


Bazzzinga!!
Aaaand they have won.
Exactly what the plan was... to DISCOURAGE the LAWFUL ownership of firearms, so G-banger suggests you not only bend over for them, but hold the container of lube too!!


Gwion wrote: Tassy has the second highest crime rate per capita in Australia after NT. Theft & violent crime rates per capita are around 7 times that in Victoria (from memory, check AIC & ABS). Couple that stat with the ever increasing rise of ICE and that makes increasing security all round a good idea in my book.


While at the same time crime rate are doing what??


So, I guess you're inferring that all the people who comply with these same regs in other states, without complaint, are also just "anti stooges who are happy to take it up the arse"???

You, my friend, and those like you, are the most effective weapon the antis have. Your tired, rabble rousing rhetoric serves only to keep the divide between shooters and non shooters as wide as possible. The "them and us" line is feeble, tired and childish.

Just imagine the headline:
"Shooters Protest Safe Storage of Firearms"

Well done, Genisis, you're really helping the cause!
:clap: :drinks: :friends: :clap:



No, I reckon people with your attitude are the most effective ally the anti's have.
I don't suppose you've considered the possibility that eventually the requirement for a CCTV etc. could going to be all LAFO's, even if you just have one gun?
Because the post-NFA gun laws have never shown a tendency to just get worse and worse and worse, have they?
Possibility? What am I saying? Inevitability more like it.
Some sort of line in the sand must be drawn. I don't know exactly what, but people must decide what their priorities are, and whether it's better to risk trouble with the law or going along with a situation that is very obviously only getting worse and worse.
This forum has always been good for not censoring comments and from my side of things, I am careful not to be too inflammatory or specific. That includes here.
But for Christ's sake, how much more are we going to take?
It's about more than just guns. It's about freedom.
BTW, when will the CCTV's be mandatorily hooked up to some police central monitoring unit, so they'll know every time you open up your safe?
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by anthillinside » 26 Feb 2017, 10:58 pm

While I agree with safe storage, I should be the one to determine what is safe, perhaps given reasonable minimum guidelines.
Not a semi* rigid set of rules that are interpreted by someone whos ideas could change at the drop of a hat.
* Ammunitions in a "seperate lockable container" being a case in point.
Now,
How many cars do you own? just how much are they worth?
Does the Government dictate how they must be stored?
WHY NOT? Many,many more cars are stolen and used to commit many many more crimes.
Yet it is not illegal to leave a car unlocked in the street. foolish perhaps but not illegal.
What I want is "common sense" legislation and we can hardly say that too much of the firearms legislation is that.
The antis get their way by being noisy (not black powder noisy :silent: ) but media noisy at every oportunity, to combat them we must do the same.
So far fighting emotion with reason hasn't worked.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 27 Feb 2017, 7:15 am

You know that the primary consideration of 'safe storage' is removing access to the OWNER..... though it's 'marketed' as keeping the firearms safe from theft and access by unlicensed, particularly kids.....

Safe storage = no defensive use.... therefore it should be up to the owner whether or not they lock the guns up... as a kid my old man had a cupboard full of ammo, just out of reach..... and the guns not locked up.... SOMEHOW I resisted to temptation to not combine A with B.

Common sense SHOULD NOT be legislated....
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Diesel » 29 Mar 2017, 3:53 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:You know that the primary consideration of 'safe storage' is removing access to the OWNER..... though it's 'marketed' as keeping the firearms safe from theft and access by unlicensed, particularly kids.....

Safe storage = no defensive use.... therefore it should be up to the owner whether or not they lock the guns up... as a kid my old man had a cupboard full of ammo, just out of reach..... and the guns not locked up.... SOMEHOW I resisted to temptation to not combine A with B.

Common sense SHOULD NOT be legislated....


Time after time we give them an inch, then another inch and another inch.

These "commonsense" laws should be fought every step of the way as they only make the public more amenable to the next "small change".

Somehow over my lifetime all these small changes have led from having guns(right up to a fully functional Owen) displayed on racks in the lounge room to being double locked and under a security camera.

Never been burgled, never had an issue but have still had my freedom eroded step by step simply so someone can feel better about themselves for having passed some un necessary legislation.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 29 Mar 2017, 4:19 pm

Its called the ultimate nanny state - utopian wet dream of absolute socialist authoritarian ..... nowadays, you expect this from either side; the reds OR the blues, and it gets general support because it masquerades as community safety, you think we've reached peak stupid.... then they move the bar a little lower...

40km/hr ones in the city.....WILL become 20..... roads will have rubber bumper strips around, footpaths will have divided lanes.... eventually gun WILL be in a central depository, when we're reduced to single shot air rifles... with permit to use your air toy...

Problem; idiots who walk around looking at their device, how many have walked in front of cars, truck bikes or trains... or people....WHAT to do?? Dont fix stupid, encourage stupid with, wait for it........

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seriously..... it hurts....

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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by TheGreenwolf » 30 Mar 2017, 2:00 pm

safe storage is about the only part of firearms laws that makes sense.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 30 Mar 2017, 5:11 pm

TheGreenwolf wrote:safe storage is about the only part of firearms laws that makes sense.


actually... it's the worst part of it.

That is about removing/reiterating the non-self defence part.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by darwindingo » 30 Mar 2017, 10:57 pm

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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by TheGreenwolf » 31 Mar 2017, 10:18 am

unless your a criminal you dont need guns in aus for self defence, unless the indonesians invade.

use a short sword its quieter :)

seriously tho, it removes the accidental shootings. and prevents the school shootings which mean that we can still have guns. more shooting of people = more restrictions.

keeping your firearms locked up means they don't get stolen as easy which considering the cost is also a bonus.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Gwion » 31 Mar 2017, 10:44 am

TheGreenwolf wrote:unless your a criminal you dont need guns in aus for self defence, unless the indonesians invade.

use a short sword its quieter :)

seriously tho, it removes the accidental shootings. and prevents the school shootings which mean that we can still have guns. more shooting of people = more restrictions.

keeping your firearms locked up means they don't get stolen as easy which considering the cost is also a bonus.


I have no issue storing my firearms in a safe but having to keep bolt separate, magazine unloaded, etc. is a real drag. Not from a self defense point of view but from a practical point of view. More than once i have missed a chance at feral cats wandering across my back paddock because it is such a bloody process to unlock two doors, fit the bolt, load the ammo.......
I would never store a loaded gun but a few rounds in a mag and the bolt already in would make life a hell of a lot easier sometimes.

While i'm not part of the WE NEED GUNS FOR SELF DEFENCE brigade, i will pick up on your comments by saying we have never had a school shooting and the history of mass shootings in Australia is well dominated by the government shooting indigenous people. There have been a total of exactly BUGGER ALL mass shootings in Australia; so that argument is mute. If you look into the real figures of firearms violence in Australia, it is almost (not quite) entirely the domain of the "underworld" types who are not, in any way, constrained by any form of firearms laws or regulations.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by TheGreenwolf » 31 Mar 2017, 11:46 am

yep i can see how that would slow you down, just like taking photos of animals...theres a hawk, get the camera out, where is the lense and battery...yea its gone now.

i do remember a few mass (more than 4 ppl is the usual term) shootings and a few sieges when i was growing up then they put in the first set of laws and all was good until that tossbag in tas shot those people and screwed it up for everyone.

i dont agree with all the laws but generally the storage is a good one (even if the wording of it sucks and having to bolt it to the floor is a bit retarded). if nothing else for things like when that little boy shot his 4 year old neighbor in the us recently...things like that.

i guess the worst part of these laws tho is the lack of consultation so that the laws put forward are sensible...like the appearance law etc.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Diesel » 03 Apr 2017, 2:50 pm

Gwion wrote:
I have no issue storing my firearms in a safe but having to keep bolt separate, magazine unloaded, etc. is a real drag. Not from a self defense point of view but from a practical point of view. More than once i have missed a chance at feral cats wandering across my back paddock because it is such a bloody process to unlock two doors, fit the bolt, load the ammo.......
I would never store a loaded gun but a few rounds in a mag and the bolt already in would make life a hell of a lot easier sometimes.



There is no requirement to remove the bolt in Tasmania.

However, until required to by law, we never locked firearms away, never had an issue nor any thefts. Accidental shootings were never a factor either as we were educated and familiarised with firearms from a very young age.

There is no way to prevent firearm thefts, the original intent was simply to keep firearms out of the hands of those who weren't competent to use them, for which a stout cupboard(or locked rack) was more than sufficient and stll is does in hundreds, if not thousands of homes across the state.

The general rule, amongst those who willingly engage in theft, is if you come across a gunsafe or normal safe back out(without anyone knowing you have been there if possible) and on sell the information up the chain. The majority of the successful thefts are extremely well planned by competent patient career criminals and are never solved.

Every time we give an inch we slowly erode our overall freedoms. A big "trade off" for agreeing to increased storage requirements was a two week wait for firearms for a category where a licence holder already has them- well we know know why they agreed to it. They didn't legislate it and it has now blown out to a six week wait regardless, their reasoning- "it only states the minimum wait, not maximum".

A basic rule of negotiation is to never automatically agree to anything nor speak in favour of negative changes, it hasn't got us very far since 1996, by all means correct me if you can think of an instance.

I think this is the point Genisis is trying to get across, accepting change has got us nowhere nor will it. Speaking for tighter restrictions won't help us, only "them" by giving "their" views credibility. There is nothing good for the shooter about harder storage laws.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Daddybang » 03 Apr 2017, 3:22 pm

Gwion wrote:
TheGreenwolf wrote:unless your a criminal you dont need guns in aus for self defence, unless the indonesians invade.

use a short sword its quieter :)

seriously tho, it removes the accidental shootings. and prevents the school shootings which mean that we can still have guns. more shooting of people = more restrictions.

keeping your firearms locked up means they don't get stolen as easy which considering the cost is also a bonus.


I have no issue storing my firearms in a safe but having to keep bolt separate, magazine unloaded, etc. is a real drag. Not from a self defense point of view but from a practical point of view. More than once i have missed a chance at feral cats wandering across my back paddock because it is such a bloody process to unlock two doors, fit the bolt, load the ammo.......
I would never store a loaded gun but a few rounds in a mag and the bolt already in would make life a hell of a lot easier sometimes.

While i'm not part of the WE NEED GUNS FOR SELF DEFENCE brigade, i will pick up on your comments by saying we have never had a school shooting and the history of mass shootings in Australia is well dominated by the government shooting indigenous people. There have been a total of exactly BUGGER ALL mass shootings in Australia; so that argument is mute. If you look into the real figures of firearms violence in Australia, it is almost (not quite) entirely the domain of the "underworld" types who are not, in any way, constrained by any form of firearms laws or regulations.


Without getting into the whole storage debate I would suggest that you Google Sanderson high school darwin 1988 you may want to change your comments on school shootings. . This event was my first day of high school. :friends:
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Gwion » 03 Apr 2017, 4:22 pm

Well, ok. While this is obviously a tragic event involving firearms and a school it was not what is usually termed a 'school shooting' or a 'mass shooting'. One person was killed by their estranged fiancée.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Gwion » 03 Apr 2017, 4:34 pm

Diesel wrote:
There is no requirement to remove the bolt in Tasmania.



Having re-read the relevant parts of the Act, it seems i stand corrected on this point. I must have been mixing up the transport requirements with the storage requirements.

Thanks for the correction because that will save a bit of space in my ammo lock up and the pain of grabbing the wrong bolt from time to time.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Tripod » 03 Apr 2017, 6:22 pm

also no need to remove bolt for transport if it is in a locked gunbox.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Gwion » 03 Apr 2017, 6:33 pm

Not convinced of that one. Trigger/action lock and bolt in or no trigger/action lock and bolt separate. Must be in closed container.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Tripod » 03 Apr 2017, 7:30 pm

I asked the local copper when he came to do an inspection, It made sense since he would probably be the one to pull me over.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Gwion » 03 Apr 2017, 8:07 pm

So container must be locked? Hard case? Fixed to vehicle?

Think I'll still play it safe and keep the bolt with my ammo.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by Tripod » 03 Apr 2017, 9:06 pm

My gunbox is fixed to the ute and locked when there is a rifle in it.
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Re: New firearms restrictions proposal (TAS)

Post by duncan61 » 03 Apr 2017, 11:13 pm

We always bolt a gun safe in the trailer as we stop at a roadhouse on the way there and back and it means we can all go in and feed our faces at the same time and no one has to wait by the car
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