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It's all fun and games until they take your FL...

Post by chilliman » 19 Jun 2014, 6:25 pm

Err in haste, repent at leisure => http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/201 ... ence-photo

Seems he didn't think this through.

Aussie in trouble for colander in licence photo

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South Australian atheist who successfully had his gun licence printed with a photo of him wearing a colander on his head has been forced to undertake a psychological test to prove he is fit to own firearms.

Guy Albon, a 30-year-old disability support worker in Adelaide, told ninemsn he had his four guns and his licence confiscated after police became suspicious of his strange photo.

When he had his licence renewed last year, Mr Albon said he decided to "have a bit of fun" when asked about his religion, and declared himself a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, a satirical movement set up in the US with the intention of opposing religion.

Following the lead of a fellow Pastafarian in Europe, Mr Albion successfully argued he should be allowed to wear the colander in his licence photo because it was a religious head piece.

He is believed to be the first Australian to successfully have a licence printed with a colander on their head, a feat also achieved recently by a New Zealand man who this week spoke to media after a photo of his driver's licence went viral.

"The law stipulates you can have something on your head ... but you have to have your entire face uncovered and if the headgear is being worn it has to have some religious significance," Mr Albon said.

"I thought 'I've got this one in the bag'."

After convincing the woman who took his photo at the transport department he was allowed to wear the colander, Mr Albon finally had his unique licence.

"I thought it was an absolute scream," Mr Albon said.

"As far as I know I'm the first person to do it (in Australia)."

It wasn't until six months later, in about June last year, when he submitted paperwork to have his licence classification changed that police became nervous about allowing a man with a colander on his head access to firearms.

He said two uniformed officers visited his home and seized his licence and four firearms - two rifles and two handguns worth about $2000 in total - until a psychiatrist confirmed he was safe to own weapons.

"I passed," Mr Albon said.

"I was laughing ... I had to go and tell (a psychiatrist) what I was doing.

"The psychiatrist just laughed, he said 'you're kidding right'.

"He asked if I had heard any voices, if I'd used drugs, and just other stuff to clarify where I was with my mental status."

Despite passing the test, he was told the licence with the colander photo had been destroyed and he would have to be photographed again, this time without the headpiece.

A frustrated Mr Albon maintains he is legally allowed to wear the colander in his licence photo. But, at the risk of losing his licence again, he conceded to having a normal photo taken for the renewal.

Mr Albon said he followed the Pastafarian movement in part as a gimmick but also to highlight the freedoms allowed to religions.

He continues to subscribe to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and has even agreed to help moderate a social media group dedicated to the movement.

In the next few months, Mr Albon will need to renew his driver's licence and has vowed to wear a colander on his head for that photo, too.

"What are they gonna do, come and take my car off me?"

SA Police have declined to comment.

Service SA has been contacted for comment.
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Post by MeccaOz » 19 Jun 2014, 7:56 pm

chilliman wrote:err in haste, repent at leisure => http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/201 ... ence-photo

seems he didn't think this through

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by WesleySnipes » 19 Jun 2014, 8:09 pm

What a champ. Police state inbound.

I have noticed people calling him an idiot who is insulting religion by believing in some crazy made up story with stupid customs... Which is complete irony really.
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Post by chacka » 19 Jun 2014, 8:40 pm

Ba ha ha ah ha.

This guy is my hero.
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Post by Ariat » 19 Jun 2014, 8:44 pm

Good on him all round.

One for fighting for his license back, and for the satire.
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Post by lole » 19 Jun 2014, 8:45 pm

the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster


Where is this and how do I become a member immediately?!
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Post by Old Fart » 19 Jun 2014, 8:47 pm

WesleySnipes wrote:I have noticed people calling him an idiot who is insulting religion by believing in some crazy made up story with stupid customs... Which is complete irony really.


I gave up years ago wasting my breath trying to reach any of these people.
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Post by huccl » 19 Jun 2014, 8:48 pm

At least he managed to save a photo of his license before they shredded it.

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Post by horter » 19 Jun 2014, 8:49 pm

"The psychiatrist just laughed, he said 'you're kidding right'"

Says it all really.
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Post by Supporter » 19 Jun 2014, 8:50 pm

Yeah, god forbid you have a sense of humour.
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Post by nords » 19 Jun 2014, 8:50 pm

Er, have you met the Australian Government? :lol:
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Post by MeccaOz » 19 Jun 2014, 9:01 pm

lole wrote:
the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster


Where is this and how do I become a member immediately?!


LMAO, this might put you on track mate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Supporter » 19 Jun 2014, 9:10 pm

nords wrote:Er, have you met the Australian Government? :lol:


I do my best to avoid.
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Post by chilliman » 19 Jun 2014, 9:15 pm

myself I am an officially ordained Dudeist Priest in the The Church Of The Latter Day Dude - seriously, I am and I have the certificate to prove it!

=> http://dudeism.com/

=> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudeism

as an Official Dudeist Priest (ordained May 18th 2005) I can minister over religious ceremonies in most U.S. States and assorted other countries. I am able to preside over a wedding, funeral, or any kind of celebration with pride and authority. if you need me, let me know, my fees are quite reasonable.
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Post by MeccaOz » 19 Jun 2014, 9:26 pm

chilliman wrote:myself I am an officially ordained Dudeist Priest in the The Church Of The Latter Day Dude - seriously, I am and I have the certificate to prove it!

=> http://dudeism.com/

=> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudeism

as an Official Dudeist Priest (ordained May 18th 2005) I can minister over religious ceremonies in most U.S. States and assorted other countries. I am able to preside over a wedding, funeral, or any kind of celebration with pride and authority. if you need me, let me know, my fees are quite reasonable.



LMAO, yeah I got one of those too, different church but similar :lol: :lol:
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Post by Fozzy » 19 Jun 2014, 9:31 pm

Kinda wish the dude had lots of money and took them to task over it based on discrimination.

Cant imagine the police questioning someone wanting to wear a turban based on their religious beliefs.. I know its all a bit of fun in this case but it really is bullsh1t and blatant discrimination at the same time.
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Post by bigfellascott » 19 Jun 2014, 10:11 pm

Dopy bastard - all he's done is put his license and firearms at risk, not worth it in my opinion.
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Post by Shotfox » 20 Jun 2014, 8:12 am

chilliman wrote:myself I am an officially ordained Dudeist Priest in the The Church Of The Latter Day Dude - seriously, I am and I have the certificate to prove it!

=> http://dudeism.com/

=> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudeism

as an Official Dudeist Priest (ordained May 18th 2005) I can minister over religious ceremonies in most U.S. States and assorted other countries. I am able to preside over a wedding, funeral, or any kind of celebration with pride and authority. if you need me, let me know, my fees are quite reasonable.


Do you wear a colander or mabey a Kitchen Aid mixer bowl. :lol:
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Post by chilliman » 20 Jun 2014, 8:24 am

Shotfox wrote:Do you wear a colander or mabey a Kitchen Aid mixer bowl. :lol:


no as I'm not a member of the Pastafarians. :roll:
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Post by Shotfox » 20 Jun 2014, 8:25 am

:lol: :lol:
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Post by Norton » 20 Jun 2014, 8:34 am

bigfellascott wrote:Dopy bastard - all he's done is put his license and firearms at risk, not worth it in my opinion.


I hear what you're saying, but then do you just sit quietly in the corner and do what you're told like a good little taxpayer?

You don't think there is any value in his/their point?

As a secular society there shouldn't be any special allowances or exemptions given on religion.

He's also clearly identifiable in the photo, he's not attempting anything deceptive. If a grown man doing no harm wants to wear a colander on his head then tin up!

Prohibiting it is tantamount to saying you can only wear certain head wear if you genuinely believe there is a man in the sky. Are we legislating head wear now based on religion?

You personally must draw the line somewhere on what you think is nonsense, and things you won't accept. That's what he did.
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Post by 1290 » 20 Jun 2014, 8:39 am

Secular society??
Get on to the federal parliament broadcast at 9am that way you don't miss the Lord's prayer.....
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Post by Shotfox » 20 Jun 2014, 9:20 am

1290 wrote:Secular society??
Get on to the federal parliament broadcast at 9am that way you don't miss the Lord's prayer.....

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Shotfox » 20 Jun 2014, 9:54 am

Norton wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:Dopy bastard - all he's done is put his license and firearms at risk, not worth it in my opinion.


I hear what you're saying, but then do you just sit quietly in the corner and do what you're told like a good little taxpayer?

You don't think there is any value in his/their point?

As a secular society there shouldn't be any special allowances or exemptions given on religion.

He's also clearly identifiable in the photo, he's not attempting anything deceptive. If a grown man doing no harm wants to wear a colander on his head then tin up!

Prohibiting it is tantamount to saying you can only wear certain head wear if you genuinely believe there is a man in the sky. Are we legislating head wear now based on religion?

You personally must draw the line somewhere on what you think is nonsense, and things you won't accept. That's what he did.


Norton. This guy is an idiot because he is drawing attention not to himself or so called beliefs, but the fact this is a "Firearms Licence".

We here not only battle media beat up, poor public perception but also image. Joe public has a misguided knowledge of us brought about by numbats like this guy and this tends to put us shooters all in the one basket.

All of as are advocates for our sport or hobby and conduct ourselves in a professional manner, so when you get a joker the mud tends to stick. He may have the right to be a D###head but then should we have the right to reject him as a Firearms Licence holder?.

I bet his passport photo don't look like this.
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Post by Norton » 22 Jun 2014, 8:37 am

Like I said, I hear what's being said.

Agreed his firearms license wasn't the best option to make his point, but still.

I think his point is still valid, even if he expressed it in a stupid manner.
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