Dutch Maritime History of Australia

[Codez]

Anyone else know a bit about dutch history in Australia. It's kinda fascinating.

Eendracht:
On the 25th of October 1616, Captain Dirk Hartog arrived on the Eendracht and announced his arrival by leaving an inscribed plate with his name and date of arrival at what is now known as Cape Inscription.

Endeavor (English) :
Captain Cook’s landing at Botany Bay was on 28 April 1770 on the Endeavor. 154 years after Hartog.

Batavia:
On 4 June 1629, the Dutch Batavia wrecked on the Houtman Abrolhos, a chain of small islands off the coast of Western Australia. As the ship broke apart, 40 of the 341 passengers drowned in their attempts to reach land. The ship's commander, Francisco Pelsaert, sailed to Batavia "Java - Indonesia" to get help, leaving merchant Jeronimus Cornelisz in charge. Cornelisz sent about 20 men to nearby islands under the false pretense of searching for fresh water, abandoning them there to die. He then orchestrated a mutiny that, over course of several weeks, resulted in the murder of approximately 125 of the remaining survivors, including women, children and infants; a small number of women were kept as sexual slaves, among them the famed beauty Lucretia Jans, reserved by Cornelisz for himself. Australia's bloodiest muntiny.

Weibbe Hayes constructed the first European structure in Australia, a fort built from coral blocks.

Off the Batavia they left two boys on the mainland who may be the first non-indigenous Australians. They were left for their partake in the mutiny. Some local indigenous people in the region claim they descended from them.

Sorta interesting.

[JimTom]

I was aware that the Dutch were here long before the English. As I understand it they had chartered some of the west coast. I might do a bit of reading, you have sparked a bit of interest.

[Codez]

I was aware that the Dutch were here long before the English. As I understand it they had chartered some of the west coast. I might do a bit of reading, you have sparked a bit of interest.

You're right friend there is many areas named by the dutch here in WA. Hope you're studying goes well

Another one for ya. Founded in 1602 known under the initials VOC (Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie), the Dutch East India Company would be worth about $7.8 trillion today. Bigger then Apple and Google.

They had a sailed the wa coastline those Dutch Ships under VOC

[duncan61]

I lived in Geralton and went to the Batavia museum twice.I can add a bit.There is a bronze statue of Weibbe Hayes on the sea front The placard reads how he resisted the mutineers with other people and unfortunately for Jeronimus Cornelisz the Captain returned and executed all the mutineers.How the Captain made it all the way to Indonesia is a tale in itself.The ships jolly boat was only 25-30 feet long with a dozen rowers and a single mast.They would of been better served heading east and landing on the mainland but of course did not know that at the time.Head north and you will find land somewhere.I have been on fishing charters to the Houtman Abrolhos and you lose sight of land about half way to the nearest Island.The 2 young men went ashore around the Northampton area and survived and bred with the local natives who took them in as gods.In the same area is the Hutt river

[Codez]

I lived in Geralton and went to the Batavia museum twice.I can add a bit.There is a bronze statue of Weibbe Hayes on the sea front The placard reads how he resisted the mutineers with other people and unfortunately for Jeronimus Cornelisz the Captain returned and executed all the mutineers.How the Captain made it all the way to Indonesia is a tale in itself.The ships jolly boat was only 25-30 feet long with a dozen rowers and a single mast.They would of been better served heading east and landing on the mainland but of course did not know that at the time.Head north and you will find land somewhere.I have been on fishing charters to the Houtman Abrolhos and you lose sight of land about half way to the nearest Island.The 2 young men went ashore around the Northampton area and survived and bred with the local natives who took them in as gods.In the same area is the Hutt river

Thanks for the info Duncan. You're all over it

Oh you lived in gero as well, windy ain't it haha yeah that sail with the jolly boat was gnarly its so small. So hutt river is where they landed, how scary to be left without weapons. Yeah treated them like gods, I want to find the items the boys were left to trade with

[TassieTiger]

Wasn’t there dated plates found on dirk? hartog isle - that blew cooks dates out of the water? I think I recall some discussion from 30 years ago - where the curriculum in high school was contemplating the direction to move the history. Doubt history touches on it now...

[Blr243]

I’m Dutch. I discovered Broome in 1987. Liked it so much I decided to stay and do my apprenticeship there

[Codez]

Nice place to discover Broome. I've spent a bit of time around Broome and Cape Leveque. I'm in Exmouth. Might go shooting with you someday mate

[womble]

This rabbit hole goes so much deeper but the history is very old.
The Portuguese were the first to land here with a fleet, well before the Dutch.
There’s definitely marooned Spanish before the Dutch also.
The Portuguese discovery of Australia used a map originally from China, as Chinese fleets had allready mapped the world accurately, latitude and longitude including Australia. There are world maps well before then of course but the Chinese mapping the world around 1400 something is dead accurate.
Both Columbus and Cook also relied on this same map.

[Codez]

Don't know much about Portuguese so thanks for the input Womble. Yeah the Chinese were here ages ago and defiantly had there maps on point. I would love to find some terracotta.

How far the rabbit hole go I've been told Egyptians may have been here also and they found a ship of Egyptian nature. They also found macropod remains in a tomb in Egypt. Don't quote me on that one tho

So Portuguese hey interesting where did they explore?

[Blr243]

Codez I’m now in bris. Left Broome 30 yrs ago. I remember well that rotten dusty corrugated road noth of Broome to cape lev

[TimTimney]

Very interesting. Keep it coming guys

[Codez]

The Zuytdorp was a Dutch East India Company ship travelling to Batavia (Jakarta, Indonesia) in 1712. On board were about 200 passengers and crew and a rich cargo, including 248,000 silver coins.

215 years later the wreck of the Zuytdorp was discovered in 1927 between Tamala and Murchison House pastoral stations by workers including Tom Pepper.

This is another case where the survives may have intermarried.

[womble]

‘Don’t think theres evidence claimed of Portuguese or Spanish exploration Codez.
Different historians have different theories. Probably landings Botany Bay, Cape York.
I guess we did’nt have much to plunder. Things might have been different if our indigenous peoples were rocking gold bling.
Lots of stories out there.

[TassieTiger]

Reported in some cases that the Chinese were blown onto west coast of oz in the 1500’s but finding nothing worth copying to sell - they left...

[Oldbloke]

I heard somewhere evidence of a Dutch town was discovered in WA somewhere inland. Believed to be survivors of an old shop wreck. Maybe 1600s

[Codez]

I heard somewhere evidence of a Dutch town was discovered in WA somewhere inland. Believed to be survivors of an old shop wreck. Maybe 1600s

Nice Heard the same story from an anthropologist. You're talking about Palm Valley. It certainly exists and its in the NT within the Finke Gorge National Park

No direct evidence has ever been presented to validate the existence of a Dutch settlement at Palm Valley. So I don't believe it. Great story

[Codez]

Thanks for the Chinese input guys. Didn't know til a couple of the older guys shared their knowledge

[TassieTiger]

Check out what the geological peeps are uncovering in the Amazon via airborne LIDAR...humongous cities that emulate Mesopotamia and ancient Egyptian cities...artefacts buried deep underground that should not be there - but they are...
If it’s being reported accurately, then it’s entirely possible that Egyptians and who knows who else visited parts of OZ, even before BC.

[Blr243]

I always Wanted to find 5 mill Plus worth of gold artefacts from the Incas During a weekend expedition in A South American jungle as long as it’s not too hot inside the cave and as long as nobody spears me in the process , and I will pay poor people one dollar per hour to cart it out for me.

[pomemax]

I do not know if its fact or fiction but read up on Ancient Egyptian in Australia and New Zealand ( look UP hunter valley hieroglyphs
Then when you have time read leftenant Cooks log of his travels up the East coast of the south land as it was then I think it was Cook-town when the careened the ship he wrote "I thought this river was bigger from my reading " just one line in the log make you think ?
If that make you think then look up red haired Māori they are still there

[Codez]

Check out what the geological peeps are uncovering in the Amazon via airborne LIDAR...humongous cities that emulate Mesopotamia and ancient Egyptian cities...artefacts buried deep underground that should not be there - but they are...
If it’s being reported accurately, then it’s entirely possible that Egyptians and who knows who else visited parts of OZ, even before BC.

Cheers for bringing the goods yet again mate those mega cities are unreal.. amazing what they've discovered there. Huge cities and their agriculture techniques was quite advanced ie their soil propagation. It's bizarre how they created those structures with laser precision with the technology they had

Pomemax definetly got me thinking. That Hunter Valley stuff is awesome thanks!! That looks like cold hard evidence to me. I'll have to see those Hunter valley hyroglyphs for myself one day

[Codez]

I always Wanted to find 5 mill Plus worth of gold artefacts from the Incas During a weekend expedition in A South American jungle as long as it’s not too hot inside the cave and as long as nobody spears me in the process , and I will pay poor people one dollar per hour to cart it out for me.

Haha me too!! Just find some treasure. Not sure how i'd last in the Amazon tho probably get eat by ants or break out in huge rashes

[TassieTiger]

I always Wanted to find 5 mill Plus worth of gold artefacts from the Incas During a weekend expedition in A South American jungle as long as it’s not too hot inside the cave and as long as nobody spears me in the process , and I will pay poor people one dollar per hour to cart it out for me.

Haha me too!! Just find some treasure. Not sure how i'd last in the Amazon tho probably get eat by ants or break out in huge rashes

There was a person on Joe Rohan podcast a short while ago who was involved with the lidar uncovering Spanish artifscts in the middle of the Amazon - very interesting. I searched to try and link but can’t recall his name.

[Codez]

I always Wanted to find 5 mill Plus worth of gold artefacts from the Incas During a weekend expedition in A South American jungle as long as it’s not too hot inside the cave and as long as nobody spears me in the process , and I will pay poor people one dollar per hour to cart it out for me.

Haha me too!! Just find some treasure. Not sure how i'd last in the Amazon tho probably get eat by ants or break out in huge rashes

There was a person on Joe Rohan podcast a short while ago who was involved with the lidar uncovering Spanish artifscts in the middle of the Amazon - very interesting. I searched to try and link but can’t recall his name.

Yeah I recall a Joe Rogan episode also unsure of his name also. I'm sure it's this Graham Hancock

Short Clip:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn1MugPalaA

Full Length:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxmw9eizOAo

And a worthy resource National Geoprahic:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ter-model/

[Sarco]

Sweet,

If the Dutch had hit the East Coast instead of the west, we would all now be speaking Afrikaans instead of English.

Good mate would be absolutely ecstatic with that result.