I watched Putins so called Celebration Day ceremony.

[Lazarus]

Logical thing for the Ukrainians to claim.

I think it was womble posted the truth as first victim quote

[womble]

Russia is so confident in their "steamroller" they have to use the nuke card, again.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-26/ ... /102395632

I'm not sure continuation of a previously conceived plan counts as "fresh threats" of using nuclear weapons....

Its fairly regular. I think they repeatedly send them there and back just so they can announce it.
Nothing new they can threaten the world with.

Lukashenko “Russian nuclear weapons are on their way to Belarus”

Really Luka, again. Fat useless tool. Say it again.

[Lazarus]

The psyops continue

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-27/ ... /102382942

[Oldbloke]

Russians just steamrolled Bakmut. The real story will come out how many died for defending a city doomed to fail.

Zalushny is apparently in a coma in Kiev after being injured in Russian attack and hasn't been seen for days, even missed a NATO video conference, so there is no military leadership.

The new game changer is the promised F16.

Seems your sources were wrong again.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-27/ ... /102382942

[mchughcb]

Thank god for that. Now he can lead the counter offensive.

[Lazarus]

Thank god for that. Now he can lead the counter offensive.

It appears I've misjudged you

[Oldbloke]

Over 50 drones targeting Kyiv. If that isn't targeting innocent civilians ill be a monkeys uncle. And if you still support or think putin is a good bloke, your a drop kick.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-65736730

[mchughcb]

All drones shot down. Citizens killed by falling pieces. Several warehouses ablaze.

Doesn't look like deliberate targeting non combatants to me. Unless they all started living in warehouses.

[Oldbloke]

All drones shot down. Citizens killed by falling pieces. Several warehouses ablaze.

Doesn't look like deliberate targeting non combatants to me. Unless they all started living in warehouses.

Nah, just hospitals.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/2 ... aines-kyiv

[Lazarus]

All drones shot down. Citizens killed by falling pieces. Several warehouses ablaze.

Doesn't look like deliberate targeting non combatants to me. Unless they all started living in warehouses.

What about the early days of the war, when Ukraine hadn't yet received the advanced western SAMs that are now doing the shooting down?

All those drones reached their targets then, shopping centres, hospitals, apartments, public markets etc, were deliberately targeted at civilians.
If they weren't, then either the Russians have virtually no control of their guided munitions(doubtful), or they were just lobbing them randomly into urban concentrations.

[mchughcb]

All drones shot down. Citizens killed by falling pieces. Several warehouses ablaze.

Doesn't look like deliberate targeting non combatants to me. Unless they all started living in warehouses.

Nah, just hospitals.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/2 ... aines-kyiv

Good lord do you even read these links you keep posting. It said 2 people killed from falling debris and warehouse fire started from falling drone debris. Where does it say they are deliberately targeting civilians?

[mchughcb]

All drones shot down. Citizens killed by falling pieces. Several warehouses ablaze.

Doesn't look like deliberate targeting non combatants to me. Unless they all started living in warehouses.

What about the early days of the war, when Ukraine hadn't yet received the advanced western SAMs that are now doing the shooting down?

All those drones reached their targets then, shopping centres, hospitals, apartments, public markets etc, were deliberately targeted at civilians.
If they weren't, then either the Russians have virtually no control of their guided munitions(doubtful), or they were just lobbing them randomly into urban concentrations.

Do your own research. They've had S300 systems for some time. The famous missile in the residential building in Kiev was their own missile , just like the polish farmers killed on their tractors was a S300 missile fired by Ukraine.

[Oldbloke]

All drones shot down. Citizens killed by falling pieces. Several warehouses ablaze.

Doesn't look like deliberate targeting non combatants to me. Unless they all started living in warehouses.

Nah, just hospitals.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/2 ... aines-kyiv

Good lord do you even read these links you keep posting. It said 2 people killed from falling debris and warehouse fire started from falling drone debris. Where does it say they are deliberately targeting civilians?

Actually I do. BUT, perhaps if you bothered to scroll down and watched the video you would have understood what it was about. So, practice what you preach.

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Try again.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/2 ... aines-kyiv

[Lazarus]

All drones shot down. Citizens killed by falling pieces. Several warehouses ablaze.

Doesn't look like deliberate targeting non combatants to me. Unless they all started living in warehouses.

What about the early days of the war, when Ukraine hadn't yet received the advanced western SAMs that are now doing the shooting down?

All those drones reached their targets then, shopping centres, hospitals, apartments, public markets etc, were deliberately targeted at civilians.
If they weren't, then either the Russians have virtually no control of their guided munitions(doubtful), or they were just lobbing them randomly into urban concentrations.

Do your own research. They've had S300 systems for some time. The famous missile in the residential building in Kiev was their own missile , just like the polish farmers killed on their tractors was a S300 missile fired by Ukraine.

That's true, the Ukrainians have had the old Soviet S300 for ages, and yes those instances of Ukraine firing outdated Russian gear that went astray is also true but has nothing to do with the issue, that being, they were fired in an attempt to stop the missiles and drones fired by Russia at civilians

[Oldbloke]

This reminds me of a thread on another forum where someone thinks he is always right, and sooo good. But the rest of the members thinks he is nuts. History is repeating I think.

[Lazarus]

Nothing wrong about an alternative view OB, it makes for interesting debate, but it either has to be supported by fact based, checkable sources, or it's just opinions.

There are no "wrong" opinions, because to their holder, they seem perfectly logical, and they don’t always correlate with reality.

I believe what I can verify, if no source is provided and I can't find verification with a reasonably comprehensive search, it's rumour at best.

[mchughcb]

This reminds me of a thread on another forum where someone thinks he is always right, and sooo good. But the rest of the members thinks he is nuts. History is repeating I think.

In reality you are just projecting once again.
Need any proof, just look at your sig line. says it all.

[mchughcb]

All drones shot down. Citizens killed by falling pieces. Several warehouses ablaze.

Doesn't look like deliberate targeting non combatants to me. Unless they all started living in warehouses.

Nah, just hospitals.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/2 ... aines-kyiv

Good lord do you even read these links you keep posting. It said 2 people killed from falling debris and warehouse fire started from falling drone debris. Where does it say they are deliberately targeting civilians?

Actually I do. BUT, perhaps if you bothered to scroll down and watched the video you would have understood what it was about. So, practice what you preach.

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Try again.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/2 ... aines-kyiv

Talks about Kiev. Which I read. No mention of hospitals. Then you point to an embedded video of which has the title Dnipro and hospital which is located miles away on different days.

[Oldbloke]

"Talks about Kiev. Which I read. No mention of hospitals. Then you point to an embedded video of which has the title Dnipro and hospital which is located miles away on different days."

Pathetic

[S O K A R]

Forget the war, I'm just over here wondering if this thread will ever come to some sort of conclusion....

[womble]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2022/09/22/new-mass-graves-found-in-ukraine-as-putins-atrocities-continue/

[Lazarus]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2022/09/22/new-mass-graves-found-in-ukraine-as-putins-atrocities-continue/

Dr Ochab's article shows that Russian "society" is so morally corrupt and brutalising, it's producing the ordinary people who are capable of these mass atrocities.
This has been going on since day one.
It's not emotionally damaged veterans suffering PTSD. From day one, ordinary conscripted soldiers were killing civilians at random.
Dante would find lots of material there

[womble]

Yep and whenever they take back a town this is what they find.
It will take years to uncover but satellite images are still finding mass graves today in Poland
So they will be found

[womble]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2022/09/22/new-mass-graves-found-in-ukraine-as-putins-atrocities-continue/

Dr Ochab's article shows that Russian "society" is so morally corrupt and brutalising, it's producing the ordinary people who are capable of these mass atrocities.
This has been going on since day one.
It's not emotionally damaged veterans suffering PTSD. From day one, ordinary conscripted soldiers were killing civilians at random.
Dante would find lots of material there

That's what I said in my first post in this thread. Exactly as it happened first town just miles from the border when the Nazis entered Poland.
Where the holocaust began
Before they'd even conceived the camps, the final final solution. On the initiative of that brigade

[Lazarus]

Similar societal processes going on before both, Womble.

[womble]

Yep took Hitler 7 years to get people to that point though.
Today it can be done a lot faster.
How far did Maga get in just one term

[Lazarus]

Yep took Hitler 7 years to get people to that point though.
Today it can be done a lot faster.
How far did Maga get in just one term

There it is.
The damage isn't limited to the US, either.
The Maga-ites seem to have successfully spread the ""trust nothing, everything is fake, it's all a secret plan to control us...." brain virus, globally.

[Lazarus]

Another Kremlin false flag?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-31/ ... /102413318

[Oldbloke]

Another Kremlin false flag?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-31/ ... /102413318

I think that's likely the case. No real proof one way or the other tho.

[womble]

I think internal partisan.

What happens if Ukraine wins it's freedom
1776 kicked of a string of revolutions throughout Europe
It will cascade and Russians will want the same as their neighbours
Free democratic elections, free speech, right to life and liberties, right to protest etc
That's the big picture.
Ukraine victorious sees in the end of Russia as we know it. It's inevitable