The point of view from a wantabe firearm owner/shooter

[bumpy1976]

I have been cruising around this forum for a little while now and have asked a few questions and have gotten some solid advice, as to the direction i wish to take as far as a firearm owner and thank you for being supportive of someone who is getting involved.

I have sat back, watched and listened toto what's happening in WA and in QLD, and i ask myself, Is S.A next???
Are they going to take my right to own a particular firearm, that is in my category of licence?
Are they then, going to restrict these laws even further?
Are they then going to make it extremely difficult to keep my firearms, and my licence, due to severe restrictions placed upon firearm owners?

To which, my answer would be YES. I base this on the fact that since 1996, our governments have been relentlessly trying to disarm everyone they possibly can. They first took the semi auto away, after Port Arthur, and even back then, as a non-shooter, i didn't agree with their actions, and my position hasn't changed, and it has rolled on since then.

My thought process, to me seems very simple. Firearms don't kill people, people kill people. Firearms are unable to kill without someone pulling the trigger, (or some sort of malfunction) So therefore, the issues are not the firearms, it's all about controlling the minority groups, and use fear mongering to drive their agenda of creating a safe environment.


I have watched a few YouTube videos on the current state of affairs, by Ozzie Reviews TopherField, and lastly Mark and Sam Afterwork. I watched Mark's recent video about gun ban fightback, and he raises a very strong argument, and recommend everyone, regardless of what sort of firearm you prefer/own, please go watch it on YouTube, here is the link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vyl7SeRnww

As a prospective new firearm owner, I'm far from anything political, my intellect just isn't up there, but I go by what I see (as in actions), and by what i hear, and read. I follow the SU and the SSAA on social media, and the SU have been very vocal about the current situations, and as for the SSAA, i hear crickets.... Nothing..... Which to me, is a concern.

Which brings me to the point that Mark has raised, in the above video link. Why can't the firearm owners of the whole of Australia, unite under one group, and shooters, helping shooters, to stem the onslaught of Government changes, that will eventually impact on EVERY SINGLE LAW-ABIDING FIREARM OWNER... I firmly believe, they will try to ban firearms completely out of the community, and as a community of law-abiding firearm owners, we owe it, to one another, to fight for our rights/freedoms to stop our rights/freedoms being further eroded. United we stand, divided we fall....

THEY WANT YOUR GUNS, OUR GUNS.

Sorry for this long-winded rant/ read, but i had to get my thoughts out of my head. This is simply my view, and you may think I'm way off base, but i see it happening, if nothing is done to stop it.

[Fester]

I think its the end for shooters and all we can hope for is it takes them between a decade or 2 to achieve their UN agreements and disarm us.

It's pretty clear that its just a freebie policy as they are still doing SFA about all the serious problems we face like the cost of living crisis, youth crime crisis, and of course the gun crime crisis of the bikie and middle eastern gangs shooting each other with illegal pistols that must be coming in by the container load.
If the money wasted on the failed firearms licencing costs went into container screening, all the guns problems would be fixed.

As shooters are still fighting between them selves and made it so obvious with the major orgs no different, the corrupt pollies, police bosses and other fat cats must be just laughing at their meetings and planning to go full steam ahead in all states.
WA falling is just the start and with no fight at all, the others will be jumping at the gate to attack the rest of us.

I can hardly believe all the old fossil club committee Fuds are still feuding while this went on, but I expected nothing more from our major org who won't suffer until they cut the shooters to what they want in stage 1.
The Fudds will attack those like Mark and Sam, Kate Fentinal and others who help fight.
Some of the asshats will lie and do everything to discredit them.
Why these people are like this, I have no idea, only noticed they are far right conservatives like many old shooters and farmers for that matter.

As there is no chance of these types of people ever getting together, the fight is lost for shooters.

[bladeracer]

I can only suggest that you get licenced as soon as you can and buy all the firearms you want to enjoy as soon as possible, this isn't a game where you can think to yourself, I'll get one of those next year, or I'll try that sort of shooting when I finish what I'm enjoying now. Get involved in the things you want to do now as you may well not be able to do it tomorrow. And get your friends and family involved as well, let them enjoy the things you enjoy and let them find out for themselves that there is no public safety issue with people owning and using firearms. The more of the public that we can educate first-hand the less of them will simply believe the rubbish that is fed to them by the government and anti-gun moral crusaders.

I have been cruising around this forum for a little while now and have asked a few questions and have gotten some solid advice, as to the direction i wish to take as far as a firearm owner and thank you for being supportive of someone who is getting involved.

I have sat back, watched and listened toto what's happening in WA and in QLD, and i ask myself, Is S.A next???
Are they going to take my right to own a particular firearm, that is in my category of licence?
Are they then, going to restrict these laws even further?
Are they then going to make it extremely difficult to keep my firearms, and my licence, due to severe restrictions placed upon firearm owners?

To which, my answer would be YES. I base this on the fact that since 1996, our governments have been relentlessly trying to disarm everyone they possibly can. They first took the semi auto away, after Port Arthur, and even back then, as a non-shooter, i didn't agree with their actions, and my position hasn't changed, and it has rolled on since then.

My thought process, to me seems very simple. Firearms don't kill people, people kill people. Firearms are unable to kill without someone pulling the trigger, (or some sort of malfunction) So therefore, the issues are not the firearms, it's all about controlling the minority groups, and use fear mongering to drive their agenda of creating a safe environment.


I have watched a few YouTube videos on the current state of affairs, by Ozzie Reviews TopherField, and lastly Mark and Sam Afterwork. I watched Mark's recent video about gun ban fightback, and he raises a very strong argument, and recommend everyone, regardless of what sort of firearm you prefer/own, please go watch it on YouTube, here is the link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vyl7SeRnww

As a prospective new firearm owner, I'm far from anything political, my intellect just isn't up there, but I go by what I see (as in actions), and by what i hear, and read. I follow the SU and the SSAA on social media, and the SU have been very vocal about the current situations, and as for the SSAA, i hear crickets.... Nothing..... Which to me, is a concern.

Which brings me to the point that Mark has raised, in the above video link. Why can't the firearm owners of the whole of Australia, unite under one group, and shooters, helping shooters, to stem the onslaught of Government changes, that will eventually impact on EVERY SINGLE LAW-ABIDING FIREARM OWNER... I firmly believe, they will try to ban firearms completely out of the community, and as a community of law-abiding firearm owners, we owe it, to one another, to fight for our rights/freedoms to stop our rights/freedoms being further eroded. United we stand, divided we fall....

THEY WANT YOUR GUNS, OUR GUNS.

Sorry for this long-winded rant/ read, but i had to get my thoughts out of my head. This is simply my view, and you may think I'm way off base, but i see it happening, if nothing is done to stop it.

[alexjones]

All you can do is be a single issue voter. Put personal freedom as the number 1 priority in your life. Once you do this everything else will fall into place and you will realise nothing else matters because every single aspect of your life stems from personal freedom.

Only associate and trade your fiat currency for goods and services with people that are NOT communists. Do not associate to the best of your ability with people that want to molest you. Keep procreating and raising your children to be good freedom loving people and advocate to everyone you know to do the same. Communists and lefties generally have low rates of procreation so we need to outbreed them in order to reverse what has been happening to us.

Follow the law and be a good outstanding resident of your particular state or territory but do not trade with them. Keep the fiat currency circulating within your own community of like minded people.

[alexjones]

There is a few good articles from America that say the future will be more conservative because people on the political “right” are outbreeding the people on the left. Having big families and raising them in a mother and father household to be good freedom loving people is the long game to a better society. This is why lefties want to control other peoples children because they are not having many of their own.

I imagine the trend is similar here in Australia. The next generation will decide the future of this country.

[mchughcb]

There are many people that blame Mark and Sam afterwork for what has happened in WA. To the point that if you post a comment like that in his youtube channel you will get banned. Police are paranoid that people have rifles that shoot further than their glocks because they are paranoid. Regularly shooting at targets 3km away and posting it really upset them or so I heard.

[Wapiti]

I reckon it's far from over. I definitely isn't for me anyway.

If people found that somewhere inside there still is some courage there, the easy next step would be that they would be drawn together and say, Sorry no way.
The first and only achievement needed will be to start standing at the urinal, instead of hiding in the cubicle.

[Fester]

There are many people that blame Mark and Sam afterwork for what has happened in WA. To the point that if you post a comment like that in his youtube channel you will get banned. Police are paranoid that people have rifles that shoot further than their glocks because they are paranoid. Regularly shooting at targets 3km away and posting it really upset them or so I heard.

I reckon that's just shooters blaming each other and they will do it till the cows come home.
When the latest attacks started, I had a slight hope that shooters might get together but no, I just heard old range RO Fudds complaining about hunters and ridiculous statements about the punters.

Bad arrogant police bosses would have just gone for Mark's license IMO if he scared them.

[mchughcb]

There are many people that blame Mark and Sam afterwork for what has happened in WA. To the point that if you post a comment like that in his youtube channel you will get banned. Police are paranoid that people have rifles that shoot further than their glocks because they are paranoid. Regularly shooting at targets 3km away and posting it really upset them or so I heard.

I reckon that's just shooters blaming each other and they will do it till the cows come home.
When the latest attacks started, I had a slight hope that shooters might get together but no, I just heard old range RO Fudds complaining about hunters and ridiculous statements about the punters.

Bad arrogant police bosses would have just gone for Mark's license IMO if he scared them.

Old range RO Fudds complaining about hunters.

Must be a global thing. Fudds or Karen's.

[wrenchman]

It's happening everywhere not just there guys they have been trying to take them away here for decades there are a few social issues that hurt the government here mainly the huge distrust of them

[bigrich]

after having read all your posts , i agree with you all . we're all on the same page for the most part. we need a NRA style advocate group to unite under to ensure our legal rights and to counter the political propaganda the guvment is pushing. the tragic shooting of the mother and daughter by a licensed shooter recently came about through police inaction after the guys wife and daughter contacted police numerous times . the daughter released a public statement blaming police inaction for this tragedy. laws already existed but the police failed . this isn't the first time either . this tragedy was used politically to justify WA's new laws.
i've been downsizing my rifles recently due to financial cost , and getting older and not hunting as much . what rifles i do own i use for multiple tasks cause it's practical/cost effective. i do competition in field rifle comp/classic caliber at my local range. the same rifles get used for hunting also. on a qld license this is doable . i believe the "genuine need" aspect is going to be under more scrutiny in the future , which is why i have rifles that get used in legitimate competitions , buying a gun just because you want to is going to get harder . in general laws are going to tighten, so act now . if your not already a shooters union member join, and keep a eye out for any organisation that can represent us . in the coming federal election vote for the party that represent the rights of gun owners . any suggestions from forum members on who might be the best ?

[bigrich]

There are many people that blame Mark and Sam afterwork for what has happened in WA. To the point that if you post a comment like that in his youtube channel you will get banned. Police are paranoid that people have rifles that shoot further than their glocks because they are paranoid. Regularly shooting at targets 3km away and posting it really upset them or so I heard.

I reckon that's just shooters blaming each other and they will do it till the cows come home.
When the latest attacks started, I had a slight hope that shooters might get together but no, I just heard old range RO Fudds complaining about hunters and ridiculous statements about the punters.

Bad arrogant police bosses would have just gone for Mark's license IMO if he scared them.

Old range RO Fudds complaining about hunters.

Must be a global thing. Fudds or Karen's.

we need the old fudds onside . division is what's not helping us

[Wapiti]

Look up One Nation's firearms policy. They believe in less restrictions for the law-abiding citizens and more action against offenders who use firearms in crime. Not the good people. And plans to attempt to wind back some silly restrictions.
Having had a fair bit of personal interaction with certain members of One Nation including the leader and campaign director and knowing they will not support anymore laws or restrictions and that they want more emphasis put on police for not doing their jobs, I don't understand why they aren't alternatives to people.
For those saying that they vote for the big picture not just guns, OK, well look at their policies on immigration, economic reforms, energy generation, anything else driving you all to be penniless and restricted. Tell me the policies aren't what you want.

There are alternatives, the problem is that people vote for or even against, a party because they either don't like the voice of the leader or fall for media assassinations, so it's no wonder the worst possible alternatives are who they vote for - and then suffer.

[Bugman]

Look up One Nation's firearms policy. They believe in less restrictions for the law-abiding citizens and more action against offenders who use firearms in crime. Not the good people. And plans to attempt to wind back some silly restrictions.
Having had a fair bit of personal interaction with certain members of One Nation including the leader and campaign director and knowing they will not support anymore laws or restrictions and that they want more emphasis put on police for not doing their jobs, I don't understand why they aren't alternatives to people.
For those saying that they vote for the big picture not just guns, OK, well look at their policies on immigration, economic reforms, energy generation, anything else driving you all to be penniless and restricted. Tell me the policies aren't what you want.

There are alternatives, the problem is that people vote for or even against, a party because they either don't like the voice of the leader or fall for media assassinations, so it's no wonder the worst possible alternatives are who they vote for - and then suffer.

Yep. As we all know, we have an upcoming Federal Election. Start here. Could well be interesting.

[alexjones]

The last Commonwealth election in 2022 saw the lowest primary vote for liberal/laobor ever at 68.5%. Hopefully the trend continues and that drops to 55-60% this election, then below 50% in the one after that.

Unless you make your own party no party will have every single policy that you agree with but thats is ok because we need to destroy the major parties and vote in whatever minor parties and independents we can. Then when the majors are broken up we can start building up from there.

[alexjones]

Remember voting for a small party in the house of reps is never futile. They only need 4% of primary votes to get funding from the AEC which will help them in future campaigns.

“An unendorsed candidate, who is not a member of a Senate group, is eligible for election funding when they receive at least four per cent of the formal first preference votes cast in an election”

https://www.aec.gov.au/parties_and_repr ... c_funding/

[bumpy1976]

Look up One Nation's firearms policy. They believe in less restrictions for the law-abiding citizens and more action against offenders who use firearms in crime. Not the good people. And plans to attempt to wind back some silly restrictions.
Having had a fair bit of personal interaction with certain members of One Nation including the leader and campaign director and knowing they will not support anymore laws or restrictions and that they want more emphasis put on police for not doing their jobs, I don't understand why they aren't alternatives to people.
For those saying that they vote for the big picture not just guns, OK, well look at their policies on immigration, economic reforms, energy generation, anything else driving you all to be penniless and restricted. Tell me the policies aren't what you want.

There are alternatives, the problem is that people vote for or even against, a party because they either don't like the voice of the leader or fall for media assassinations, so it's no wonder the worst possible alternatives are who they vote for - and then suffer.

Love her or hate her, Pauline tells it how it is, she doesn't give a rats, who she upsets, definitely continues to put Aussies first, especially minority groups that cop the rough end of the pineapple.

[Wapiti]

It's really heartening that some of you are looking at the great alternative that is there, instead of just joining the sheep in hand-wringing, and that you have done the hard yards in looking to change the mess we're in.
If only there was some way of convincing others to wake up and actually change things.
As AJ said, nobody is perfect, but some are a WAY better alternative. It's up to us to get them elected, then jump up and down and contribute to it becoming closer to perfect.

[alexjones]

It's all psychological. The masses are stupid and people generally fear the “unknown” so they yearn for what they are familiar with. Hence why they keep voting for the two major parties that keep bending them over year after year.

[Fester]

Greens last, then Elbo, then the potato.
Up at the top is One Nation, SFFP, and whoever can cause the majors more damage, more chance of getting in, depending on the area.
Katter, the re-named LDP, even Goose Palmer.
Even the pot smokers party are gun friendly unless it's just like a Liberal election promise to be reversed if elected.

One report I heard said about 30% of Aussies didn't vote for the majors in the last election, so it could be 40% and change has started. It will take a few more elections, but the hard old far-right conservatives will be dying off and the kids will see the woke left just lied and didn't really help them.
If someone started a party for normal Aussies, like Pauline, but smarter, we could end up back into a democracy.

[Oldbloke]

Actual "how to vote". party names seem appropriate

https://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/How_to_vote/practice/

Qn. Are we voting for both houses this election?

[Oldbloke]

Greens last, then Elbo, then the potato.
Up at the top is One Nation, SFFP, and whoever can cause the majors more damage, more chance of getting in, depending on the area.
Katter, the re-named LDP, even Goose Palmer.
Even the pot smokers party are gun friendly unless it's just like a Liberal election promise to be reversed if elected.

One report I heard said about 30% of Aussies didn't vote for the majors in the last election, so it could be 40% and change has started. It will take a few more elections, but the hard old far-right conservatives will be dying off and the kids will see the woke left just lied and didn't really help them.
If someone started a party for normal Aussies, like Pauline, but smarter, we could end up back into a democracy.

This is how I've voted (with some variation) for at least last 5 elections.

The majors incompetence have forced me to do it.

For shooters it's the senate where we need to put SFFP, Katter, one nation (God help me) first.

In some electorates, like mine, the house of reps is so safe wouldn't matter what you vote for.
But if your in a close seat your vote could be critical.

[Oldbloke]

Yep, both houses.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Au ... e_election

[perentie]

Saw an interview with Bob Katter a couple of weeks ago. It was in a room in his house. Had a heap of guns hanging on the wall. He took a SMLE down , worked the bolt a few times and showed the interviewer how it pointed. I thought good on him. Dont think he has a candidate where we are but Pauline does.
Keith

[bigrich]

Greens last, then Elbo, then the potato.
Up at the top is One Nation, SFFP, and whoever can cause the majors more damage, more chance of getting in, depending on the area.
Katter, the re-named LDP, even Goose Palmer.
Even the pot smokers party are gun friendly unless it's just like a Liberal election promise to be reversed if elected.

One report I heard said about 30% of Aussies didn't vote for the majors in the last election, so it could be 40% and change has started. It will take a few more elections, but the hard old far-right conservatives will be dying off and the kids will see the woke left just lied and didn't really help them.
If someone started a party for normal Aussies, like Pauline, but smarter, we could end up back into a democracy.

This is how I've voted (with some variation) for at least last 5 elections.

The majors incompetence have forced me to do it.

For shooters it's the senate where we need to put SFFP, Katter, one nation (God help me) first.

In some electorates, like mine, the house of reps is so safe wouldn't matter what you vote for.
But if your in a close seat your vote could be critical.

for years i've been putting auntie pauline first , the kat in the hat second or SFFP , greens last , labor second last , libs before that . i reckon if the nats were still a stand alone party they'd have interesting policy.

[Wapiti]

for years i've been putting auntie pauline first , the kat in the hat second or SFFP , greens last , labor second last , libs before that . i reckon if the nats were still a stand alone party they'd have interesting policy.

Problem with the Nats for us here, and we happen to be in his electorate of Maranoa, is that he is a follower not a leader. We are infuriated with his habit of being the last person to have the balls to say what he stands for, he always likes to read the room first and follows the crowd. WE want strong, representative Leadership.