Should Australia Go It Alone

[alexjones]

180k men attacking a large country in 2022 that had been preparing defensive positions since 2014 is not a lot of men.

[Oldbloke]

Isn't a peace keeping force about maintaining a cease fire?

[Wapiti]

Hey, we'll see first, if there actually IS a ceasefire for any reason.
Who knows, the comedian midget who's now a personal billionaire might accept Trump's offer to have the US control Ukraine's rare earth minerals and fill the joint with American workers and engineers. Trump will do a deal with Putin to see that it goes smoothly, but I reckon that's the only chance.

The European parasites with the tiny soft hands are most likely only cr@pping on about "peacekeepers". So is that pipe-cleaner armed Albanese, keeping morons thinking he is actually thinking about it by "not ruling it out".

My offer to sell some of you bridges I don't own still stands.

[Wapiti]

Putin's just said that if that if Britain and Europe put "peacekeepers" into Ukraine, he will kill them all and severely punish the countries concerned.
And he will too. And they will get their @rses kicked, and maybe there will be a WW3. Without the US.
Which Australians would support anything like this?
Certainly, the ones who will be too old, unfit or cowardly to join up and participate.

And anyone who doubts Australia couldn't "go it alone" with our skilled workforce and unlimited resources, just come back and admit how wrong you are after seeing trump do this in the US now.

i think with trump's attitude and shift in america's foreign policy we need to ramp up our push for local manufacture and sovereignty very quickly. we used to have that and more, until john Howard's free trade agreement removed tariff's on imported goods and local industry was no longer protected . firearms weren't the only thing john howard screwed australian's over in 1996

the sheet metal company i work for contacted local schools looking for a kid to take on a labouring job with a view to apprenticeship for the right applicant . the only response we got was from a 17 year old girl who's father is a metal worker . that's the calibre of todays youth . the industry is dead at the moment , i haven't worked in weeks , unfortunately she's had to move on for work . the majority of todays youth find the trades too hard, having a "clean" job sitting behind a computer seems to be what most want . when things do recover there aren't going to be enough workers and workshops left to do the work . a few shops have closed permanently . such is the state of my industry . this country's been run into the ground by inept self serving politicians

Absolutely we do. We can make everything here, and we have everything to make it with. Yet people still suck up the bullh*t that we have to hang our people out to dry to trade with other countries... not on our terms that make us strong like Mr Trump is returning to the US, but by looking after the investment dogs with interests elsewhere, and foolishly mimicked by the losers who think its the only way forward.
Again I say, that's not working out too well for the majority, is it. Yet some still fall for the BS.

Sorry to hear about your trade, Rich. That's something that really gets on my goat. It could be turned around in half a year if it wasn't for the gullible out there.
Easy fixed, if we can and/or do make it here, imports will be priced to match, and quality goods made here will soar.

[bigrich]

Isn't a peace keeping force about maintaining a cease fire?

i remember the UN in the bosnian conflict looked on as people were slaughtered due to engagement rules implemented by politicians . putin's problem is nato on his doorstep . having nato member troops as "peacekeepers" isn't a good idea . from what i now understand , russia's problem started after zelensky was pressured by the US biden administration to tear up the minsk agreement which was about having non-nato countries as a buffer for russia . remember the cuban missile crisis ? the US didn't want missiles on it's doorstep , neither does russia . not saying commie putin's in the right, but there's a lot of "grey" areas in how the current situation came to be. committing foreign troops as peace keepers would result in a even more complex messy situation than the current one. dutton's said he's against sending our troops as peacekeepers , albo wouldn't rule it out , typical of albo , a benign "non decision" .we might have a large country , but population and military wise we're small . we need our leaders to start being smarter
JMHO

[bigrich]

Sorry to hear about your trade, Rich. That's something that really gets on my goat. It could be turned around in half a year if it wasn't for the gullible out there.
Easy fixed, if we can and/or do make it here, imports will be priced to match, and quality goods made here will soar.

it is what it is i suppose. import tariffs protect local industry/ sovereignty, which is what howard did away with and trumps trying to bring back . the way trump's going about it he's sh!tting on freindly countries and trading partners and crashing markets which is bringing chaos to a world that still hasn't recovered from the covid cr@p . i did a stint recently driving a long chassis MR truck delivering plumbing supplies/pipes to new industrial estates . the most common new businesses going up were transport, logistics and warehousing. for importing , no manufacturing . i worked at a foundry south of brisbane , big place , 600 plus workers across 3 shifts . it closed years ago cause they built a new plant in china . it made bogie parts for rail carriages and crawler shoes for massive draglines. the sheet steel i use in my trade is imported , as are the rivets , silicone and everything else we use . a lot of our folders, guillotine and other machines are old australian made stuff, are easily repaired and keep on going . they bought a chinese folder about 5 years ago that is flogged out and not repairable due to it's design . the welds on this machine were smoothed over with car body filler (bog) before it was painted . true , the boss was horrified when i showed him this .
it's not easy to manufacture anything in this country due to workshop health and safety bullsh!t , green laws and unions pushing wages beyond reasonable levels . we had a jobsite installer leave my company to work union sites at $80 a hour . a study has found building/construction in QLD is 40% more expensive than it should be . VIC is even worse . unions like the CFMEU that operate like the mafia have put the costs up so high there's bugger all going on in construction these days . this countries a mess

[mchughcb]

Kursk is about to be recaptured and another pick your guess how many thousands of Ukranians are about to die on Russian soil.

The end is going to accelerate from here. Albo is talking about sending troops to Ukraine under the guise of peace keeping, Russian's have said any western troops are combatants. Good one Albo.

[Wapiti]

Albo dog isn't going to send troops to Ukraine. Just another coward pretending to be a man. Neither will the Europeans.
I dare them to actually. This world needs the strong to emerge again.

[6mm Remington]

Spot on men. it is to the shame of this nation that so many people are oblivious to what has happened to real jobs in this country.. Makes me sick to hear the never ending financial experts complaining about how productivity is down. No wonder why. I have worked for a large privately owned company that makes products for the construction industry that they claim are proudly Australian made. The truth is that 90% + of the stuff they sell is from overseas, mostly China. The last ten years has also seen a major emphasis on artificial intelligence removing the labour cost to the business. Instead of a cheaper product being made to the consumer, the exact opposite has occurred. We now have poor quality thanks to the executive procurement team screwing the suppliers whilst the companies directors increase their profits. No wonder the rich are getting richer and our kids are going to be poorer.

Sorry to hear about your trade, Rich. That's something that really gets on my goat. It could be turned around in half a year if it wasn't for the gullible out there.
Easy fixed, if we can and/or do make it here, imports will be priced to match, and quality goods made here will soar.

it is what it is i suppose. import tariffs protect local industry/ sovereignty, which is what howard did away with and trumps trying to bring back . the way trump's going about it he's sh!tting on freindly countries and trading partners and crashing markets which is bringing chaos to a world that still hasn't recovered from the covid cr@p . i did a stint recently driving a long chassis MR truck delivering plumbing supplies/pipes to new industrial estates . the most common new businesses going up were transport, logistics and warehousing. for importing , no manufacturing . i worked at a foundry south of brisbane , big place , 600 plus workers across 3 shifts . it closed years ago cause they built a new plant in china . it made bogie parts for rail carriages and crawler shoes for massive draglines. the sheet steel i use in my trade is imported , as are the rivets , silicone and everything else we use . a lot of our folders, guillotine and other machines are old australian made stuff, are easily repaired and keep on going . they bought a chinese folder about 5 years ago that is flogged out and not repairable due to it's design . the welds on this machine were smoothed over with car body filler (bog) before it was painted . true , the boss was horrified when i showed him this .
it's not easy to manufacture anything in this country due to workshop health and safety bullsh!t , green laws and unions pushing wages beyond reasonable levels . we had a jobsite installer leave my company to work union sites at $80 a hour . a study has found building/construction in QLD is 40% more expensive than it should be . VIC is even worse . unions like the CFMEU that operate like the mafia have put the costs up so high there's bugger all going on in construction these days . this countries a mess

[Wapiti]

All good points, but fixable. Again, whilst we have career limp-wrists voted in by career limp-wristed useless voters, this will continue.
But I don't think it's lost yet. Far from it. It will just take a LEADER and a loyal team behind him.
In other words, that rules out politicians.