How America comes to grips with a mass shooting

[brett1868]

I am sure we are all well aware that as we age our reflexes, reaction times, co-ordination skills diminish and are not at all like when we were younger.

True unless you're name is Jerry Miculek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHG-ibZaKM Other things happen with age as well, every year my nuts are just that little bit closer to the ground but it hasn't slowed me down

I can see both sides of the discussion here, the men and women defending their soldiers should be commended for getting off their ass and doing something other then talk. They are wanting to do their part to pay the soldiers back for the sacrifices made in protecting their freedom. The flip side is that I think there should be some form of minimum requirement for the volunteers be it some training or screening process. "A person is smart but people are stupid", I really don't think American's are the bunch of redneck gun happy lunatics they are portrayed to be in the media (Except my friend Brian from Indiana, he's the poster boy for "Redneck Gun Digest". I'm sure there's plenty of retired ex-servicemen / law enforcement officers over there only too willing to volunteer a few hours a week for a worthy cause.
Might be an idea to better organise these volunteers, maybe in conjunction with the base commanders?

[XP22]

The flip side is that I think there should be some form of minimum requirement for the volunteers be it some training or screening process. "A person is smart but people are stupid", I really don't think American's are the bunch of redneck gun happy lunatics they are portrayed to be in the media (Except my friend Brian from Indiana, he's the poster boy for "Redneck Gun Digest". I'm sure there's plenty of retired ex-servicemen / law enforcement officers over there only too willing to volunteer a few hours a week for a worthy cause.
Might be an idea to better organise these volunteers, maybe in conjunction with the base commanders?

Why is it that people always seem to think that if management is enacted things will run better?

Could any government have organised volunteers and gotten them on the ground as quick as these patriots have appeared? No there would be months of training, equipping, vetting, procedure writing etc etc. Then finally an inadequate amount of personnel they had trained up in a rush would be deployed ineffectively along with a press release of how hard it is to fill gaps in a crisis.

Government tend to layer management on everything and often compensate for poor managers with more management and extra procedures. As far as I am concerned a grassroots movement is going to act quicker in a more effective way than Government ever could or will.

Worth thinking about, the most decisive actions come from platoon level.

[brett1868]

Without some form of basic management be it amongst themselves it's just an ineffective rabble as every group needs leadership / direction or they're lost. I'm not advocating it should be anything massively formal involving masses of red tape or process, they seem organised so probably already have some form of management in play.

[XP22]

Without some form of basic management be it amongst themselves it's just an ineffective rabble as every group needs leadership / direction or they're lost. I'm not advocating it should be anything massively formal involving masses of red tape or process, they seem organised so probably already have some form of management in play.

Hey, they are turning up that is a pretty good start. You show me any government intervention that didn't end up with lots of red tape and processes.

You advocate screening, training and co ordinating with base commanders. They are already organising themselves, why complicate the good work simply to satisfy established procedures? If it works leave it.

Somehow along the line we have shifted responsibility from the community and individual to government and it certainly didn't help four Marines recently.

[anthillinside]

Without some form of basic management be it amongst themselves it's just an ineffective rabble as every group needs leadership / direction or they're lost. I'm not advocating it should be anything massively formal involving masses of red tape or process, they seem organised so probably already have some form of management in play.

You have made me think about Management and Leadership, Managers need to be leaders but more often they are not.
So I need to dstinguish between Managers and Management
Small groups seem to self manage without even thinking about it.
The larger a group gets the more Managers they "accure" needed or not.
It seems Managers come and go and try to steer groups.
Leaders collect followers and create groups that self manage.
I wonder what the optimal size of a group is? (One ? to limit arguments and personality clashes.)

[bluerob]

Without some form of basic management be it amongst themselves it's just an ineffective rabble as every group needs leadership / direction or they're lost. I'm not advocating it should be anything massively formal involving masses of red tape or process, they seem organised so probably already have some form of management in play.

You have made me think about Management and Leadership, Managers need to be leaders but more often they are not.
So I need to dstinguish between Managers and Management
Small groups seem to self manage without even thinking about it.
The larger a group gets the more Managers they "accure" needed or not.
It seems Managers come and go and try to steer groups.
Leaders collect followers and create groups that self manage.
I wonder what the optimal size of a group is? (One ? to limit arguments and personality clashes.)

Solution?

Create a committee

[Xerox]

Yeah that always "solves" everything