When is,,, "enough is enough"

[straightshooter]

Another victory(?) for the Ukrainians.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article217714.html

text from the above link

Ukraine destroys its Nova Kakhovka factory
On 12 June 2022, the Ukrainian Armed Forces destroyed the world’s largest manufacturing factory of equipment for hydroelectric power plants, located in Nova Kakhovka (Kherson Oblast).
The attack was carried out with US M142 HIMARS rocket launchers. It left at least 7 dead and 70 injured among the civilian population.
Evidently, the Ukrainian general staff must have realized that it lost control of the Kerson oblast and decided to destroy any valuable asset lest it should fall into Russian hands.

[cz515]

Ahhh don't worry. Americans will rebuild the factory after the war.... and all the profits plus interest on the loan for rebuilding

Actually they will give us more solar panels and lithium batteries. Hyrdo is so old school.

Does this mean they are destroying factories because they believe they are not likely to recapture the areas ever.

[straightshooter]

Seems like this thread is going dormant so I thought I might throw this one in.

[cz515]

Haha.


I wonder what Australian barracks look like

[womble]

[womble]

Orcs been put on pervitin ? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V0qD058hq38&t=337s

[mchughcb]

Meanwhile the red keeps moving west.

https://youtu.be/A34oiuu0gdA

[mchughcb]

Anyway the UA isn't going to get conscripts from Kramatorsk because the locals are going to support the russians. Oops.

https://youtu.be/LIbS0R4QWE4

[womble]

Meanwhile the red keeps moving west.

https://youtu.be/A34oiuu0gdA

Not since late march

Timelapse map https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HKKZipdCTVU

[womble]

They can’t advance into their own artillery. They only hold the line by shelling no man’s land 24/7
If anything it looks like they might be withdrawing both Kherson and Kharkiv. Can’t move Russian supply lines and ammo depots out of range of Ukraines mobile artillery. Logistics is everything if you want to shell 24/7. A barrel will last 12 hours tops.
They have the stockpiles to do this indefinitely, but they have to deliver them.
They stop shelling and they and they are forced to face of with infantry. Not something they are particularly good at.


Still, they are firing missiles from subs to target kindergartens in the west. So theres that.

[cz515]

Unfortunately it's war. As i said a few months ago, it's the young that will suffer the most in any war.

Americans have an actual term for it....collateral damage.

In Afghanistan it was something like 2000 civilians killed to every 2/3 taliban insurgents.

According to this independent site from 2004 to 2020, 172-200 innocent children were killed by 430 drone strikes in Pakistan.... which at that time was actually an ally of America. I don't see anyone held accountable for that war crime.... is it because as leader of free world, America is above such scrutiny.
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/p ... r/pakistan


I am not even going to go into all the children deaths american interventions since ww2 have caused in Africa, middle East and south America.... but suffice to say it would probably be in the hundreds of thousands

[womble]

You should probably read the Geneva convention again.
So as you have a better understanding of what is considered a deliberate attack on civilians.

The Russian annexation of Ukraine has been a complete failure from the outset.
Now they resort to terrorism. There’s countless documented examples as such. There’s no military activity or infrastructure in many of the areas they are bombing. Not even remotely in the vicinities.
They can definitely face prosecution. Or they can forgo it and be ostracised from the world for generations.
Some top people will be getting thrown under the bus.

[mchughcb]

Meanwhile the red keeps moving west.

https://youtu.be/A34oiuu0gdA

Not since late march

Timelapse map https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HKKZipdCTVU

Difficult to see at that resolution. At a higher resolution the red line keeps moving west. What you have now is the best of the best forces left in East being wiped out at several hundred a day on the best defended line. Once they fall and/or are surrounded with no chance to break out like mariupol then there is nothing left stop the advance to Kiev except the Dniper River.

[cz515]

You should probably read the Geneva convention again.
So as you have a better understanding of what is considered a deliberate attack on civilians.

The Russian annexation of Ukraine has been a complete failure from the outset.
Now they resort to terrorism. There’s countless documented examples as such. There’s no military activity or infrastructure in many of the areas they are bombing. Not even remotely in the vicinities.
They can definitely face prosecution. Or they can forgo it and be ostracised from the world for generations.
Some top people will be getting thrown under the bus.

Again with respect you are drinking too much of the cool aid off the media. I can give you a long list of countries that have side stepped the Geneva conventions and still going ok. Wanna guess who is the biggest and most prolific one

Once this war finishes, 100% guaranteed Russia will say i stop the gas supplies in winter to Europe and they will forget all the Geneva conventions.

[Oldbloke]

During ww1 and ww2 both sides killed civilians. Despite allies only targeting military targets.

The accuracy of arial bombing was very poor, perhaps artillery too.

Since then accuracy has improved out of sight.

The difference in Ukraine is the Russians is clearly targeting civilians intentionally.

No excuse.

[womble]

Russian munitions are soviet era. Estimated 70% of strikes have hit peaceful targets.

23,000 evidenced and documented war crimes prepared for trial. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/14/45-nations-pledge-to-coordinate-evidence-of-war-crimes-in-ukraine

[mickb]

I remember when we were bungling the nothing war in Afghanistan. 5,10.15, 20 years. They chased the taliban out, let them back, chased them into different areas, pretended they werent there, then started pulling out, let them take over and a few years later acted all suprised when " The capital Kabuil finally fell" as if the taliban mysteriously teleported from Mars into full control of the country again.

People were asking me last year what I thought of the news that the taliban had suddenly taken the country over and I said it had been happening for 10 years, the news even bloody said the US and NATO was negotiating terms of withdrawal with the Taliban for the last few. Negotiating with terrorists apparently the new modus operandi for NATO, and giving them a country to boot. Makes you wonder why David Hicks spent all that time locked in a dark cell wearing sensory deprivation equipment as a war criminal if the entire Taliban can be were declared "legitimate political entity" by the end of the war

I was in that war contracting for 3 years and saw enough to convince me the wheels have fallen of the wagons on sanity and BS now reigns supreme. My advice to people asking me what they were seeing on TV was to tell them watch less TV ..

Now this latest boondoggle needs a name. We have pics of obese generals, commandos who look like models posing, little kids posing for pics minutes before rocket attacks....

Hmmm I think ""the meme war"" is fitting

[mchughcb]

Meme war, maybe, real war they are getting smashed every day now. Couple of weeks and they will have taken all of Donestsk. Even if they bypass Kramatorsk its going to end up like Mariupol. Nobody is going to break the siege. The question is, do they stop, push to the Dniper or just keep going to Kiev and throw the government out.
There is going to be SFA to stop them to the Dnpier once they take out.

No amount of tic tok memes are stopping the red war machine, they don't have time for it.

[womble]

[mchughcb]

Soviet Russia finished a while ago now.

[mickb]

[womble]

Tell them that

[wanneroo]

I remember when we were bungling the nothing war in Afghanistan. 5,10.15, 20 years. They chased the taliban out, let them back, chased them into different areas, pretended they werent there, then started pulling out, let them take over and a few years later acted all suprised when " The capital Kabuil finally fell" as if the taliban mysteriously teleported from Mars into full control of the country again.

People were asking me last year what I thought of the news that the taliban had suddenly taken the country over and I said it had been happening for 10 years, the news even bloody said the US and NATO was negotiating terms of withdrawal with the Taliban for the last few. Negotiating with terrorists apparently the new modus operandi for NATO, and giving them a country to boot. Makes you wonder why David Hicks spent all that time locked in a dark cell wearing sensory deprivation equipment as a war criminal if the entire Taliban can be were declared "legitimate political entity" by the end of the war

I was in that war contracting for 3 years and saw enough to convince me the wheels have fallen of the wagons on sanity and BS now reigns supreme. My advice to people asking me what they were seeing on TV was to tell them watch less TV ..

Now this latest boondoggle needs a name. We have pics of obese generals, commandos who look like models posing, little kids posing for pics minutes before rocket attacks....

Hmmm I think ""the meme war"" is fitting

Being a student of military history, what I have learned over time is with war you are either 100% or not. Because if the people that live on the land don't want you there or the political solution you are offering, it's never going to stick in the long term. The Romans and Mongols had it figured out, it was either all or nothing. They would offer for the people to join them as part of the empire and if not, anyone that was a threat or not needed was killed and all the hot women or other useful people were enslaved. This waffling western countries have done in recent decades of half in half out and political dancing and payoffs of warlords hasn't worked.

[cz515]

Well looks like the gas is turned off for Europe for atleast 10 days. Cuz Russia is saying Canada is delaying the return if a vital piece of equipment that went there for repairs.

Let's see what putin does after 10 days, cuz Germany is sitting bricks and its only summer.... infact a rather hot summer

[womble]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z-BuGfE5qe4

[cz515]

Wow man this one has 1.6k views. You have out done yourself, usually your videos are 200-400 views.

This must be true, esp when the disclaimer says the video is not real

[womble]

The video is irrelevant. It’s an intercepted call home from a Russian soldier. All calls are intercepted and recorded.
There are thousands apon thousands of them.
They are forced to fight against their will and abandon their wounded.
Incidentally. How you determine fact from fiction based on view counts explains a lot about your world view as how easily manipulated it is.

[mchughcb]

I can show you the same with UA. Nothing changes the fact every day the red line move west.

[womble]

No one is being forced to fight for Ukraine. They fight for their freedom.
Russians fight to remain enslaved.

[mchughcb]

No one is being forced to fight for Ukraine. They fight for their freedom.
Russians fight to remain enslaved.

Well if that is the case, you can explain why men from 16-60 can't leave the country. Why men were conscripted and why now women are being conscripted. And if its freedom then you also need to explain why the ukrainians have been fighting themselves since 2014 and why they declared their independence.

What that means is not every ukrainian believes they want to be part of the Kiev governing elite.